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Subject: No "One Gun To Rule Them All" PLEASE

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

I am sick of the constant theme of having one weapon that wins every battle. Put simply? I Don't want BRs, Carbines, or M6D (Halo CE) Magnums. Remove the perfect happy medium weapon, and force players to diversify. Make players USE Plasma Rifles, make them USE SMGs, and make them USE turrets. With a "Middle" weapon like the BR, Carbine, or M6D, there is never any need to use other stuff. And this is what I want to see. Not "Halo is all about BR skills", but "Halo is about proper teamwork, and weapon diversity." Like Halo CE's original feel, before the Magnum became the "big thing", and later the BR/Carbine in Halo 2 and 3.

  • 06.08.2009 4:00 PM PDT

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Yes please.

  • 06.08.2009 4:03 PM PDT

but but but those are 3 weapons O.o

  • 06.08.2009 4:03 PM PDT

The BR never ruled them all, given the proper training and forethought, it isn't all that hard to beat the BR at close range with close range weapons (AR, SMG, Spikers, Plasma Rifle, ect.)

The problem is that the BR was a tad bit too... "Adaptable". Players could scrape by using this weapon outside of it's intended operation area simply because many people suck with close range weapons, and many of the people who might actually be good at close range weapons have been using the battle rifle instead and see no reason to improve further by going back to the so called "noob" weapons.

One easy fix that I could envision would be to reduce the damage of the medium ranged weapons against shields. It doesn't make the gun any less powerful at medium range, your still going to kill that assault rifle user before he kills you if you are fighting halfway across a field. But it does encourage people to diversify a bit with their weapon selection if the gun isn't nearly as great as it is at close quarter combat.

Not a hill I'm worth dying on, but thats just my personal view.

  • 06.08.2009 4:05 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Actually, yes, if they made the BR or Carbine take much longer to deplete shields, then players would be forced to diversify (like combining the Plasma Rifle, and the BR, to put down the enemy faster.) The 4 shot makes combinations like this unnecessary. This would work also, good thinking.

  • 06.08.2009 4:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hylebos
The BR never ruled them all, given the proper training and forethought, it isn't all that hard to beat the BR at close range with close range weapons (AR, SMG, Spikers, Plasma Rifle, ect.)
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are you saying the br didn't rule them all in H2? with all the exploits using that weapon (bxb, bxr, etc) you had no chance with needlers, plasma rifle or any other weapons.
sure it's not the case in H3. but it was THE weapon in H2.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 4:10 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 4:10 PM PDT

"We sleep peaceably in our beds, because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those that wish to do us harm."

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No. The idea behind the overall weapon is that it can't take any of the weapons in their element, but when your engaging the sniper at mid-close, SMG/AR/PR at far range, shotgun/sword at medium or far range then you will win. But if you try and attack a sniper cross map (or point blank), SMG/AR/PR at close to mid range, or shotgun/sword at close range you will lose.

Keep the overall weapon around because it always gives you at least a fighting chance.

  • 06.08.2009 4:10 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Precursors
No. The idea behind the overall weapon is that it can't take any of the weapons in their element, but when your engaging the sniper at mid-close, SMG/AR/PR at far range, shotgun/sword at medium or far range then you will win. But if you try and attack a sniper cross map (or point blank), SMG/AR/PR at close to mid range, or shotgun/sword at close range you will lose.

Keep the overall weapon around because it always gives you at least a fighting chance.

The problem is that when it comes to the BR and Carbine, that "Fighting Chance" is actually more of a "Trump Card", or rather, "If used right, you will win every time."

  • 06.08.2009 4:12 PM PDT

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Man, as far as im concerned they can put whatever they want in the game, the pistol is by far my favorite though, not because it rules them all, but because i am very comfortable with it. Any weapon can be used as a WMD(Weapon of Mass Destruction) if used properly. I was a big fan of BR, because it actually alot of practice with it to get precise with it. Same goes for most of the weapons in the Halo universe. Just pick your favorite and have at it, and also event he grenades could be said as the weapon that rules them all, because if ur good enuff then you can earn alot of great kills without ever shooting your gun. :)

  • 06.08.2009 4:17 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Yeah, Grenades do need a little bit of a fix. I would prefer them to throw more like they did in Halo 2. Where you actually had to aim up to throw at distances, instead of just looking at a guy and sticking him.

  • 06.08.2009 4:20 PM PDT

Follow the sirens song, to face this empty cycle

i dont think bungie are willing to change the weapon setting to make one person happy. they need to make the game likeable to all people. and BR's are not the best weapon, any weapon can be the best it all depends on the person using them. one person may be used to dual pistols or SMG's and one may be drawn to the AR or BR.

  • 06.08.2009 4:22 PM PDT

If it can be imagined, then it exists.

It would break the gameplay. At long to medium range unless you had a sniper or rocket launcher all you could do is look at the enemy. The BR definitely is not a trump card. I easily take down BR wielders at close range with a shotty, mauler, or even ar at long range the sniper will own the BR too.
EDIT: (minor typo)

[Edited on 06.08.2009 4:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
The BR never ruled them all, given the proper training and forethought, it isn't all that hard to beat the BR at close range with close range weapons (AR, SMG, Spikers, Plasma Rifle, ect.)
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are you saying the br didn't rule them all in H2? with all the exploits using that weapon (bxb, bxr, etc) you had no chance with needlers, plasma rifle or any other weapons.
sure it's not the case in H3. but it was THE weapon in H2.

...Right... forgive me... I never played Halo 2 online >.<

  • 06.08.2009 4:32 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: CounterParrot
It would break the gameplay. At long to medium range unless you had a sniper or rocket launcher all you could do is look at the enemy. The BR definitely is not a trump card. I easily take down BR wielders at close range with a shotty, mauler, or even ar the at long range the sniper will own the BR too.
EDIT: (minor typo)

Thats the thing though, it is alot of easier to not be in that element. Anyone can just "get close to the sniper" or "put some range between them and the shotty" just by moving. All the BR has to do to take out the sniper is use cover to get close, or the shotty they just avoid where he is camping, and force him to come out, or get no kills.

Whole games are won or lost depending on the BR, I have seen it before, many, many times. The BR rules the game.

  • 06.08.2009 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Posted by: Precursors
No. The idea behind the overall weapon is that it can't take any of the weapons in their element, but when your engaging the sniper at mid-close, SMG/AR/PR at far range, shotgun/sword at medium or far range then you will win. But if you try and attack a sniper cross map (or point blank), SMG/AR/PR at close to mid range, or shotgun/sword at close range you will lose.

Keep the overall weapon around because it always gives you at least a fighting chance.

The problem is that when it comes to the BR and Carbine, that "Fighting Chance" is actually more of a "Trump Card", or rather, "If used right, you will win every time."


Well the second statement is not always true. Tell me how you intend to kill a sniper with a BR across Sandtrap? Avalanche? Other very large maps? You can't the BR would be out of it's element and that's where the sniper is in it's element. You shouldn't be losing to BR users at close range with the SMG or PR they are better than the battle rifle. The reason people are able to use BRs and Carbines at ranges that normally lay outside their effective range is because people become used to it. If you never used the br at close range would you know that a melee and headshot=kill? No you'd probably try and shoot them repeatedly and end up dead, but as you practice with the weapon and use it at close range more and more you'll discover how to get the most out of the weapon at close range.
The BR won't always win at close range, but after getting a few thousand kills with it most people should be able to kill with it at close range because they know exactly how to use to the best of it's abilities at that range.

You can do the same thing for every weapon. No scoping with the sniper is an effective close range way to use the sniper. Burst firing is good for the AR at range as is a grenade (which also works with the SMG).

The Battle Rifle is just one of the more popular weapons and therefore most people know how to use it at virtually every range with some kind of effectiveness.

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I tend to disagree. The BR or Carbine isn't THE weapon of H3, I'd say the assault rifle is. and if there is no "the weapon". then what will the game's default weapon? I say, just amp up the power of the weaker weapons... like the ole' plasma pistol, like how good it was in H1. I bet, that H-Reach probably won't have a very powerful BR, since it was only introduced in H2, and I'm pretty sure this is a prequel.

And BTW, "I wonder if the flood will be in the game..." (sarcastic)


Y'know what.... maybe they could just make the BR and Carbines less powerful in multilayer, and more powerful in Campaign. (or if they have a "firefight" game type in there somewhere...)


[Edited on 06.08.2009 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 4:52 PM PDT

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any ideas?

i heard... that its shishkas skull... bungie x-rayed his head and put that in as the oddball, they did so that they can put shishka in every oddball match to keep an eye on us to make sure we dont cheat remember this next time you go into oddball... shishkas watching...


PURE WIN!

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I am sick of the constant theme of having one weapon that wins every battle. Put simply? I Don't want BRs, Carbines, or M6D (Halo CE) Magnums. Remove the perfect happy medium weapon, and force players to diversify. Make players USE Plasma Rifles, make them USE SMGs, and make them USE turrets. With a "Middle" weapon like the BR, Carbine, or M6D, there is never any need to use other stuff. And this is what I want to see. Not "Halo is all about BR skills", but "Halo is about proper teamwork, and weapon diversity." Like Halo CE's original feel, before the Magnum became the "big thing", and later the BR/Carbine in Halo 2 and 3.


That my good sir was a comment full of so much win it could go nucleur

i totally agree i love the halo games and the MP as well but i really hate always having to caryy a BR in all honesty isent it more fun to mix things up ya know?

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I am sick of the constant theme of having one weapon that wins every battle. Put simply? I Don't want BRs, Carbines, or M6D (Halo CE) Magnums.

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LOL

"Run!!! He's got the halo-1 pistol!!!!!! *shot*"

Don't want that happening...huh? 0_o

[Edited on 06.08.2009 4:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 4:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Or even better, make them "semi" power weapons. Have them available, but only maybe 2 or 4 of them on a map in accordance to its size.

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Posted by: x MibZ x
Or even better, make them "semi" power weapons. Have them available, but only maybe 2 or 4 of them on a map in accordance to its size.


great idea, spartan!
LOL

[Edited on 06.08.2009 5:01 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 5:00 PM PDT

If you're sick of getting killed by them. Pick them up and learn to use them. On AR start gametypes, they're like a semi-power weapon. Power weapon control is a part of halo. BR control is a part of Halo 3 AR spawns. Get over it.

  • 06.08.2009 5:01 PM PDT

Posted by: x MibZ x
Or even better, make them "semi" power weapons. Have them available, but only maybe 2 or 4 of them on a map in accordance to its size.

From my view, there are no power weapons in this game, just weapons that are so specialized that having one gives you an advantage in that specialized area.

..In hindsight not sure what I wanted to say with that.

[Edited on 06.08.2009 5:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.08.2009 5:02 PM PDT

Nothing is better than gaming through the day, into the night, then back into the day. It's like when you finally push that power button you feel like you've accomplished nothing, but at the same time, you can't stop smiling.

I totally agree with you. But, I would prefer having a few weapons that are "slightly" better than the rest and are good for most combat situations. But nothing as versatile as the BR.

  • 06.08.2009 5:02 PM PDT

X74

agreed 110%

  • 06.08.2009 5:03 PM PDT
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I'm not tired of being killed by BRs.... lol I'm hoping for a change though, some power-ups...and power-downs on the weapons. There has to be balance, or the game just isn't fun for the other people. (that's why there aren't any known cheat codes for Halo.)

  • 06.08.2009 5:06 PM PDT

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