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I dont get what the thread is really about. who is complaining about what? i dont need to buy the same maps twice and i have nothing to complain about

People are complaining , saying they are just buying the same maps when they buy ODST , but there are many situations in real life where you buy the something you already have , yet noone complains about them.


Your argument is null. When ever we buy the exact same thing, there is always something to be had out of it. If all else fails, we can at least sell it.

However, having the maps twice gives no benefit what so ever, Thats why people are annoyed because we are buying something we already have and getting absolutely nothing out of it!


Of course , besides the fact that we have more room for saved forge maps.


What on earth are you taklking about? You still have to download the maps on to the hardrive and they will take up just as much space. That post made no sense!


Do the words "You may only have 100 custom content," mean nothing to you , the maps take up very little space , therefore , you have much more room basically , you can have 200 custom content if you put halo 3 and ODST together , the 100 from H3 , and the 100 from ODST.

  • 06.09.2009 6:57 AM PDT

Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
Posted by: PrinceOfThralls
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Posted by: PrinceOfThralls
I dont get what the thread is really about. who is complaining about what? i dont need to buy the same maps twice and i have nothing to complain about

People are complaining , saying they aare just buying the samw maps when they buy ODST , but there are many situations in real life where you buy the something you already have , yet noone complains about them.


i should knew that. lmao first off, those are idiots cus they are buying ODST and not the maps, the maps are just a free xtra. if they think they are forced to BYU the maps AGAIN that they already have, they should not buy odst. and stop complaining, simple as that.

now for the real life stuff thing, if dont think that people buy the same things in real life twice or more times, only if it is needet. food is needet, 2 light in the room enlight it better and having a light twice is usefull. but having the same maps twice is not usefull ,cus u need every map only one time to play


Please can you give me your price rundown then (Taking in to account that all but 3 maps are free)

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  • 06.09.2009 6:58 AM PDT

Meh, Halo fans are still buying ODST anyway. The added maps aren't the primary showcase. If the price is the problem, you could always tell yourself that the extra money pays to get Halo: Reach out for you :)

  • 06.09.2009 6:59 AM PDT

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They aren't buying the same maps twice, Bungie had a choice, either give a code with ODST to download the three NEW mythic maps as DLC, or consolidate ALL of the Halo 3 maps onto a second disk with Forge, Theatre etc. They chose the second disk option, and I for one am glad.

If anything, they are providing you with more rather than less. Now you can delete all the DLC from your hard drive cos you will have ALL the maps on the one disk. Also if you are one of those whose original Halo 3 disk is knackered and some MM maps wont load, you don't need to buy Halo 3 again, because you will have a fresh copy of ALL the maps ready for MM on the new disk that comes with ODST.



See , there are plenty of positive points.


For people with knachered disks, yeah. I'm happy to say that I bought Halo 3 the day it came out and because I dont treat my disks like rubbish, it still works perfectly. Therefore, no benefits.

The only benefit I see here is that you will be able to give a copy of your game to a friend, although that is also rather useless as all my friends already have the game.

  • 06.09.2009 6:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: heratik08
They aren't buying the same maps twice, Bungie had a choice, either give a code with ODST to download the three NEW mythic maps as DLC, or consolidate ALL of the Halo 3 maps onto a second disk with Forge, Theatre etc. They chose the second disk option, and I for one am glad.

If anything, they are providing you with more rather than less. Now you can delete all the DLC from your hard drive cos you will have ALL the maps on the one disk. Also if you are one of those whose original Halo 3 disk is knackered and some MM maps wont load, you don't need to buy Halo 3 again, because you will have a fresh copy of ALL the maps ready for MM on the new disk that comes with ODST.



See , there are plenty of positive points.


Sorry thats wrong, as all the maps will come on the disk, it is looking like you will have to download to your xbox to play, so you dont have to keep changing cd to play the different parts! So I am just going to download over the ones i have already!

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They aren't buying the same maps twice, Bungie had a choice, either give a code with ODST to download the three NEW mythic maps as DLC, or consolidate ALL of the Halo 3 maps onto a second disk with Forge, Theatre etc. They chose the second disk option, and I for one am glad.

If anything, they are providing you with more rather than less. Now you can delete all the DLC from your hard drive cos you will have ALL the maps on the one disk. Also if you are one of those whose original Halo 3 disk is knackered and some MM maps wont load, you don't need to buy Halo 3 again, because you will have a fresh copy of ALL the maps ready for MM on the new disk that comes with ODST.



See , there are plenty of positive points.


Sorry thats wrong, as all the maps will come on the disk, it is looking like you will have to download to your xbox to play, so you dont have to keep changing cd to play the different parts! So I am just going to download over the ones i have already!


That sorta made no sense , If they are on a disc why would you download the again?

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They aren't buying the same maps twice, Bungie had a choice, either give a code with ODST to download the three NEW mythic maps as DLC, or consolidate ALL of the Halo 3 maps onto a second disk with Forge, Theatre etc. They chose the second disk option, and I for one am glad.

If anything, they are providing you with more rather than less. Now you can delete all the DLC from your hard drive cos you will have ALL the maps on the one disk. Also if you are one of those whose original Halo 3 disk is knackered and some MM maps wont load, you don't need to buy Halo 3 again, because you will have a fresh copy of ALL the maps ready for MM on the new disk that comes with ODST.



See , there are plenty of positive points.


For people with knachered disks, yeah. I'm happy to say that I bought Halo 3 the day it came out and because I dont treat my disks like rubbish, it still works perfectly. Therefore, no benefits.

The only benefit I see here is that you will be able to give a copy of your game to a friend, although that is also rather useless as all my friends already have the game.


And more forge content , the 100 on H3 and the 100 on ODST = 200 custom content instead of 100.

  • 06.09.2009 7:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
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Posted by: heratik08
They aren't buying the same maps twice, Bungie had a choice, either give a code with ODST to download the three NEW mythic maps as DLC, or consolidate ALL of the Halo 3 maps onto a second disk with Forge, Theatre etc. They chose the second disk option, and I for one am glad.

If anything, they are providing you with more rather than less. Now you can delete all the DLC from your hard drive cos you will have ALL the maps on the one disk. Also if you are one of those whose original Halo 3 disk is knackered and some MM maps wont load, you don't need to buy Halo 3 again, because you will have a fresh copy of ALL the maps ready for MM on the new disk that comes with ODST.



See , there are plenty of positive points.


Sorry thats wrong, as all the maps will come on the disk, it is looking like you will have to download to your xbox to play, so you dont have to keep changing cd to play the different parts! So I am just going to download over the ones i have already!


I think you have missed the whole point of the second disk.

With this second disk, YOU WILL NOT NEED YOUR ORIGINAL HALO 3 DISK TO PLAY MM, FORGE OR THEATRE.

The second disk will run MM, you do not need to download the maps or swap disks, if you only play Halo 3 MM your original Halo 3 disk will be redundant.

  • 06.09.2009 7:03 AM PDT

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Your argument is null. When ever we buy the exact same thing, there is always something to be had out of it. If all else fails, we can at least sell it.

However, having the maps twice gives no benefit what so ever, Thats why people are annoyed because we are buying something we already have and getting absolutely nothing out of it!


Of course , besides the fact that we have more room for saved forge maps.


What on earth are you taklking about? You still have to download the maps on to the hardrive and they will take up just as much space. That post made no sense!


Do the words "You may only have 100 custom content," mean nothing to you , the maps take up very little space , therefore , you have much more room basically , you can have 200 custom content if you put halo 3 and ODST together , the 100 from H3 , and the 100 from ODST.


I doubt it works like that, but in the case that it does, okay, I'll admitt that that is a good point. ONE good point. Not enough to make me happy with the idea of buying the maps again.

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Posted by: BurntBiscuits
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Your argument is null. When ever we buy the exact same thing, there is always something to be had out of it. If all else fails, we can at least sell it.

However, having the maps twice gives no benefit what so ever, Thats why people are annoyed because we are buying something we already have and getting absolutely nothing out of it!


Of course , besides the fact that we have more room for saved forge maps.


What on earth are you taklking about? You still have to download the maps on to the hardrive and they will take up just as much space. That post made no sense!


Do the words "You may only have 100 custom content," mean nothing to you , the maps take up very little space , therefore , you have much more room basically , you can have 200 custom content if you put halo 3 and ODST together , the 100 from H3 , and the 100 from ODST.


I doubt it works like that, but in the case that it does, okay, I'll admitt that that is a good point. ONE good point. Not enough to make me happy with the idea of buying the maps again.


Yes , but you see , you are basing these points to be good for you , and you only , now be put in the shoes of the thousands of other people who have the scratched disc , put those together and you have another couple thousand good points.

  • 06.09.2009 7:07 AM PDT

Well do you really think that Microsoft will let you have a disk that you could give to a friend. I dont think so!

It is a case of you download/install the maps to the hard drive, so when you have the ODSt cd in you can still play your MM games without have to change disks, but you can only run the maps if you ahve the ODSt disk in the drive, so no giving the cd to another person as you would need to have the ODST to play!

This is what i have seen and heard! You dont have to use the Halo 3 disk, but you would have to use the ODST disk!! Microsoft likes putting things like this in so you cant copy or give free the games parts! and If you ahve to download to your xbox 360 they can control who plays them then!

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Well do you really think that Microsoft will let you have a disk that you could give to a friend. I dont think so!

It is a case of you download/install the maps to the hard drive, so when you have the ODSt cd in you can still play your MM games without have to change disks, but you can only run the maps if you ahve the ODSt disk in the drive, so no giving the cd to another person as you would need to have the ODST to play!

This is what i have seen and heard! You dont have to use the Halo 3 disk, but you would have to use the ODST disk!! Microsoft likes putting things like this in so you cant copy or give free the games parts! and If you ahve to download to your xbox 360 they can control who plays them then!


I will reply once you get back on topic , this is not about M$ and their cheap antics.

  • 06.09.2009 7:10 AM PDT

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Of course , besides the fact that we have more room for saved forge maps.


What on earth are you taklking about? You still have to download the maps on to the hardrive and they will take up just as much space. That post made no sense!


Do the words "You may only have 100 custom content," mean nothing to you , the maps take up very little space , therefore , you have much more room basically , you can have 200 custom content if you put halo 3 and ODST together , the 100 from H3 , and the 100 from ODST.


I doubt it works like that, but in the case that it does, okay, I'll admitt that that is a good point. ONE good point. Not enough to make me happy with the idea of buying the maps again.


Yes , but you see , you are basing these points to be good for you , and you only , now be put in the shoes of the thousands of other people who have the scratched disc , put those together and you have another couple thousand good points.


Yeah, but how many people have scratched disks? A minority. And how many of those people got their disks scratched because they where careless? A majority.

If people want to throw their disks around a room for a couple of hours and then complain when it doesn't work, I don't think they deserve this privilage.

You raise a good point, but only a few people will benefit from the second disk, and even fewer deserve to do so.

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  • 06.09.2009 7:11 AM PDT
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*sigh*

Why don't you all think about others for a change? The Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack was designed for people who couldn't get acess to either the maps on Xbox LIVE, or LIVE itself.

Halo 3: ODST's second disc is exactly that. I have quite a few friends who can't get LIVE where they live and can't wait for ODST. The whole point of the second disc is so that gamers that can only play offline, can enjoy some of the benefits of Halo online. I myself got Halo 2's Multiplayer Map Pack as I was an offline gamer at the time.

Why do you all complain (except for the OP and myself) about paying for maps you already have when you get 3 new exclusive-to-ODST maps, the chance to unlock Recon armor (which sadly is unavailable to offline gamers, as is 850 Gamerscore of Halo 3), and a whole new campaign as ODSTs. This is something many people have wanted to do for a long time and we're finally able to.

Halo 3: ODST isn't just for the online community, but the offline one as well. So if you want to continue complaining, be my guest. I know a lot of you probably have friends who are offline gamers who also can't wait for ODST.

But think about these point which I've already outlined:

Offline gamers can't:
-Play with people that span the globe
-Download new maps
-Unlock 675 Gamerscore of Halo 3
-Unlock Recon armor
-Unlock Security helmet, ODST. Mark V, Rogue, Katana, Scout shoulders
-Full sets of Ascetic and Commando
-Download Community maps from Bungie.net
The list goes on.

So think before you complain. The whole point is to give offline gamers some new content to play with and they still won't be able to do everything we can.

  • 06.09.2009 7:14 AM PDT
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More correct would be if I would pay again for my own TV month after I bought it.

When I buy something, I get a new item. Now when I buy ODST I get the same item I already had, but I really don't care.

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Posted by: BurntBiscuits


Yeah, but how many people have scratched disks? A minority. And how many of those people got their disks scratched because they where careless? A majority.

If people want to throw their disks around a room for a couple of hours and then complain when it doesn't work, I don't think they deserve this privilage.

You raise a good point, but only a few people will benefit from the second disk, and even fewer deserve to do so.


If you think about it , no one deserves many of the benefits of life , because the horrible deeds people have , done , yet they get away with it , and frame others. But hey , Bungie has a way with words when comes between them , Fans , and M$ , face it , they are helping the minority this time.

  • 06.09.2009 7:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
Well do you really think that Microsoft will let you have a disk that you could give to a friend. I dont think so!

It is a case of you download/install the maps to the hard drive, so when you have the ODSt cd in you can still play your MM games without have to change disks, but you can only run the maps if you ahve the ODSt disk in the drive, so no giving the cd to another person as you would need to have the ODST to play!

This is what i have seen and heard! You dont have to use the Halo 3 disk, but you would have to use the ODST disk!! Microsoft likes putting things like this in so you cant copy or give free the games parts! and If you ahve to download to your xbox 360 they can control who plays them then!


I will reply once you get back on topic , this is not about M$ and their cheap antics.


I think you will find that it is on topic, as its all about the maps!! And why you would be paying for the maps twice! Please re-read all my comment then come back to me!

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Why don't you all think about others for a change? The Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack was designed for people who couldn't get acess to either the maps on Xbox LIVE, or LIVE itself.

Halo 3: ODST's second disc is exactly that. I have quite a few friends who can't get LIVE where they live and can't wait for ODST. The whole point of the second disc is so that gamers that can only play offline, can enjoy some of the benefits of Halo online. I myself got Halo 2's Multiplayer Map Pack as I was an offline gamer at the time.

Why do you all complain (except for the OP and myself) about paying for maps you already have when you get 3 new exclusive-to-ODST maps, the chance to unlock Recon armor (which sadly is unavailable to offline gamers, as is 850 Gamerscore of Halo 3), and a whole new campaign as ODSTs. This is something many people have wanted to do for a long time and we're finally able to.

Halo 3: ODST isn't just for the online community, but the offline one as well. So if you want to continue complaining, be my guest. I know a lot of you probably have friends who are offline gamers who also can't wait for ODST.

But think about these point which I've already outlined:

Offline gamers can't:
-Play with people that span the globe
-Download new maps
-Unlock 675 Gamerscore of Halo 3
-Unlock Recon armor
-Unlock Security helmet, ODST. Mark V, Rogue, Katana, Scout shoulders
-Full sets of Ascetic and Commando
-Download Community maps from Bungie.net
The list goes on.

So think before you complain. The whole point is to give offline gamers some new content to play with and they still won't be able to do everything we can.


Another good point.

  • 06.09.2009 7:20 AM PDT
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  • 06.09.2009 7:22 AM PDT
Subject: For those of you complaining about the maps...

Can't you see I'm Busy!?

Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
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Well do you really think that Microsoft will let you have a disk that you could give to a friend. I dont think so!

It is a case of you download/install the maps to the hard drive, so when you have the ODSt cd in you can still play your MM games without have to change disks, but you can only run the maps if you ahve the ODSt disk in the drive, so no giving the cd to another person as you would need to have the ODST to play!

This is what i have seen and heard! You dont have to use the Halo 3 disk, but you would have to use the ODST disk!! Microsoft likes putting things like this in so you cant copy or give free the games parts! and If you ahve to download to your xbox 360 they can control who plays them then!


I will reply once you get back on topic , this is not about M$ and their cheap antics.


I think you will find that it is on topic, as its all about the maps!! And why you would be paying for the maps twice! Please re-read all my comment then come back to me!


If you could just download the new maps off the ODST disk and then play them with your original Halo 3 disk, and then give the second ODST disk to all of your friends to do the same, Microsoft/Bungie would be idiots. They are a business and they have to protect their product from piracy.

  • 06.09.2009 7:25 AM PDT
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Ranks? I'm a Mythic. Get on my level.

So what if I don't want ODST? Do I still need to fork over $60 (wasted in my opinion) just to get the three maps?

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  • 06.09.2009 7:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
Posted by: FireStar_T19
Posted by: ClassicalDonkey
Well do you really think that Microsoft will let you have a disk that you could give to a friend. I dont think so!

It is a case of you download/install the maps to the hard drive, so when you have the ODSt cd in you can still play your MM games without have to change disks, but you can only run the maps if you ahve the ODSt disk in the drive, so no giving the cd to another person as you would need to have the ODST to play!

This is what i have seen and heard! You dont have to use the Halo 3 disk, but you would have to use the ODST disk!! Microsoft likes putting things like this in so you cant copy or give free the games parts! and If you ahve to download to your xbox 360 they can control who plays them then!


I will reply once you get back on topic , this is not about M$ and their cheap antics.


I think you will find that it is on topic, as its all about the maps!! And why you would be paying for the maps twice! Please re-read all my comment then come back to me!


If you could just download the new maps off the ODST disk and then play them with your original Halo 3 disk, and then give the second ODST disk to all of your friends to do the same, Microsoft/Bungie would be idiots. They are a business and they have to protect their product from piracy.


I am sooooo sorry that you cant read good, cus I did not say once that you could play the new maps with the old Halo 3 disk, I said with the ODST disk but anyway. I can read so i guess i have one on you!

Just like when you install the game on the hard drive it still need the disk in the drive to show you have the game. They would just make it so you have to have the ODST disk in to play the maps from the disk!! When you install things to the hard drive, most of the time it runs fast then reading from the disk. With halo thats not the case but i ahve other games installed on my hard drive and makes things work alot fast!

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  • 06.09.2009 7:31 AM PDT

Posted by: FireStar_T19
As in , the people who are complaining about having to buy maps they already have ,I have some questions for you.


Why do you buy a lamp for your room when you already have lights.
Because unlike the lights, I can use a lamp to give me a bit of light to read and when I'm finished, I just turn it off easily unlike with regular lights.
Why do you buy a new home even though you already have one.
I would never buy a new home unless I was moving to another country.
Why do you make new accounts for x-box live even though you already have one.
I've never made a new account for xbox live because I use my old one.
Why do you buy more sports gear even though you already have old gear that still is in good condition.
I don't know about you but I never buy any new gear while I have old gear that works perfectly
Why do you Join a clan even though you are already in one that has the exact same things.
I have never joined a clan and never will
Why do you buy more snacks from a store even though you still have plenty left?(Sweet tooth much?)
I don't buy any new snacks when I still have plenty, but some people might because they want different kinds of food to eat.
(For those who will get ODST later , like in November,)Why do you buy more and more Halo games , even when you know what the game will be like , what the ending will be just because you went to find it all out on Youtube.
Because seeing the game and playing the game are two completely different things.

My point being , People complain about buying maps they already have , yet in real life , people buy something they already have every day , so why do you complain about this one thing , but not the other million?

Sorry, but the way you present your point in your arguement is very poor. Spending money on maps we already is actually much different from buying new sports gear or a new car or whatever. Why, you ask? Think about it, when we buy a lamp or new snacks, we actually get something out of them. It's not like a lamp has the exact role as lights do and it's not like new snacks taste the exact same as the old ones we have. However, by dishing out extra cash for maps we already have, we are wasting money on the THE EXACT SAME MAPS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE minus the second part of the mythic map pack. Sorry, but until you can prove why we should pay for the same content again, I don't think ODST should be worth the price of a full game.

  • 06.09.2009 7:34 AM PDT

Can't you see I'm Busy!?

I assure you I can read, you just cant articulate the point you are trying to convey particularly well.

I DID understand that you did not say you could download the maps and play from the original Halo 3 disk, but from what you said I thought that you were implying that you should be able to.

  • 06.09.2009 7:46 AM PDT

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I assure you I can read, you just cant articulate the point you are trying to convey particularly well.

I DID understand that you did not say you could download the maps and play from the original Halo 3 disk, but from what you said I thought that you were implying that you should be able to.


No not one bit of what i said was saying or hinting to letting us do that!!! It reads ok, and says what i want to say!!! I understand things abit better then you i guess. How old are you are you out of school yet? Go back to your english class (I know that i have spelling sometimes, but i do go back and edit if i see i have)

The whole point of this was to talk about the maps and why should we pay for free maps when we have already paid for them! So if you forget the maps (apart from the new 3)

Me for my £40 ($60) -

New missions
3 new maps
A new game type (which i think looks great and will enjoy playing)
A invite to the new game beta (should be free, but this is microsoft)

So what does each group get for the price with this game.

1.Person that has not got Halo 3 - All the above + 22 maps (may have the number wrong but you get the idea) + Forge + Theater + MM gaming
Total cost (£40 ($60))

2. Person that has Halo 3 but not the maps - 10 new maps + All above
Total cost (£60 ($97.54))

3. Person that has Halo 3 has got all the maps - All above
Total cost (£80 ($130))

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi used for currency convertion

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