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  • 06.09.2009 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Synyster Ricz
You guys speak as if the fans of MLG are not fans of Bungie as well. Keep in mind that these are all ideas and hopes from the MLG fans, not demands. The MLG community are entitled to what they hope they will see in the next game.
It just seems ridiculous, they want the game to be changed completely. They mine as well make there own FPS.

  • 06.09.2009 2:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Insane Brandon
Posted by: Synyster Ricz
You guys speak as if the fans of MLG are not fans of Bungie as well. Keep in mind that these are all ideas and hopes from the MLG fans, not demands. The MLG community are entitled to what they hope they will see in the next game.
It just seems ridiculous, they want the game to be changed completely. They mine as well make there own FPS.


Oh you mean like how the "noob" crowd..... okay I know I shouldn't call it that but I cant think of a better name atm....... wanted changes to be made so the game was easier and bungie completely changed the gameplay to get more sales (probably forced by microsoft but w/e).

MLG wants the game to go back to what it was in halo 1 and halo 2, the people that are crying about what MLG wants CLEARLY jumped on the bandwagon @ halo 3 and/or really sucked at the older games and prefer being able to play the game without having to put effort into it.

  • 06.09.2009 2:32 PM PDT

I love watching people bash MLG. For the most part, the MLG community is a very friendly one, unlike the Halo community as a whole. The Halo community has to be one of the most outspoken and quick to judge communities there is. I am not saying that there are not amazing people in the Halo community, there are plenty, but they are overshadowed by the majority of people who see the letter MLG in the thread topic and decide to go post something like: "OMG fuk MLG. dey suk!!!11". I have yet to see a compelling argument as to why MLG is such trash. Simply put, there isn't one.

Another poster nailed it on the head, they are a niche group. A small fraction of the Halo community as a whole. They enjoy playing the game a certain way, and should be able to freely express what they would like to see from the game. And how dare they, right? More customization in multiplayer? What a bunch of idiots. The nerve of those people, asking a developer put more customization options in the multiplayer part of the game. How selfish of them, because god knows they are the only ones who would benefit from it. Certainly the machinima crowd wouldn't be able to use more customization. And I am sure the entire forging community would hate to see forge have a 90 degree snap tool and more in depth editing.

Honestly, what they are asking for hurts no one.

Posted by: Redraven1992

bungie makes games for the fans not mlg

and btw this sounds like pretty specific stuff
sound like enofe to idk MAKE URE OWN GAME
ya mabye mlg should make their own game instead of mooching and demanding off of other companies and producers. u spend the money u make it however u want.

and if halo moves a centimeter more tward mlg i will NEVER buy another one of their games again.
btw i <3 bungie n halo


Because we all know you can't like MLG and Halo. It is one or the other. And I am sure it would be so easy for them to just up and develop their own game. Forget being happy that a game you love is getting the attention it deserves, instead act like an elitist. I am sure Bungie will go bankrupt because they lose out on your $60. To quote Randall from Clerks:

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Posted by: blingchu

Bungie does every damn thing MLG says to


Yeah, because they sure fixed the BR spread when the MLG community whined about it for weeks. And we all know they banned elites from the MLG playlist when the community complained about that too. Point well proven my friend.

Posted by: Dyslexic Cheif

I'm pretty sure most MLG kids are Halo fans. Don't be a douche to them just because you disagree with their idea "fun".


+1 internets to you sir. That is what it all boils down to. All communities involved in Halo, be it MLG, forging, machinima, or just getting on LIVE and having some fun in the playlists, all want a fun game and they all have a different idea of what fun is.

Insulting someone simply because they enjoy the competitive nature of the game is amazingly ignorant. That is like getting mad at pro football players because they play football with different rules than you do with your friends.

Bottom line, can't we all just get along and respect one anothers opinions and ideas? Oh wait, this is the internet. Nevermind.

tl;dr stfu internet

  • 06.09.2009 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: HaloHunter117


now alot of these ideas are a stretch but its just an ideas thread with unlimited scope


OMG "UNLIMITED SCOPE!!!!!" That would be sick! Easy snipes across Blood Gulch!

No, seriously though, Bungie is trying to make a game here. Games have rules. Full customization does not make a game too appealing to the MLG, since it is hard to balance with that many unset elements.

I will say that a new, trackable ranking system is a must.

  • 06.09.2009 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXsNiPeRsTeVeXx
MLG wants the game to go back to what it was in halo 1 and halo 2. . ..


This makes little sense as Halo2 went in a totally "noob friendly" direction over Halo CE by introducting the BR and making kills as easy as pie. Not to take away from your point, but that is an innacurate statement as they are two very different games. Halo CE actually had a learning curve, Halo2 had the BR, BXB, BXR, BR/PP and all the other glitch exploitations that even the MLG elite fell in love with.

Not to hurl personal insults, but let's keep things honest.

  • 06.09.2009 2:42 PM PDT

That's 9 e's.

No one cares what MLG's requests are. GTFO. MLG only caring about the multiplayer makes me sick.

  • 06.09.2009 2:53 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: xXsNiPeRsTeVeXx
MLG wants the game to go back to what it was in halo 1 and halo 2. . ..


This makes little sense as Halo2 went in a totally "noob friendly" direction over Halo CE by introducting the BR and making kills as easy as pie. Not to take away from your point, but that is an innacurate statement as they are two very different games. Halo CE actually had a learning curve, Halo2 had the BR, BXB, BXR, BR/PP and all the other glitch exploitations that even the MLG elite fell in love with.

Not to hurl personal insults, but let's keep things honest.

Yep, 100% correct.

  • 06.09.2009 3:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Green Twister
mlg sucks


i second this motion and call for a recess

  • 06.09.2009 3:05 PM PDT

Posted by: xXsNiPeRsTeVeXx
Posted by: Insane Brandon
Posted by: Synyster Ricz
You guys speak as if the fans of MLG are not fans of Bungie as well. Keep in mind that these are all ideas and hopes from the MLG fans, not demands. The MLG community are entitled to what they hope they will see in the next game.
It just seems ridiculous, they want the game to be changed completely. They mine as well make there own FPS.


Oh you mean like how the "noob" crowd..... okay I know I shouldn't call it that but I cant think of a better name atm....... wanted changes to be made so the game was easier and bungie completely changed the gameplay to get more sales (probably forced by microsoft but w/e).

MLG wants the game to go back to what it was in halo 1 and halo 2, the people that are crying about what MLG wants CLEARLY jumped on the bandwagon @ halo 3 and/or really sucked at the older games and prefer being able to play the game without having to put effort into it.


MLG are noobs for even considering Halo 2.

  • 06.09.2009 3:07 PM PDT

I always thought that being able to change the weapon damage for a specific map would be an awesome feature. What if we could make the guardian sniper have more damage where body shot=kill, when every other weapon is the same. Or an overpowered smg that actually turns into a high-caliber power-weapon... Just something for the future...

  • 06.09.2009 3:33 PM PDT

Some of these ideas I like such as being able to customize your gametypes more and better forge stuff but some ideas in here are over the top. If you give people to much customization you can take away what bungie actually wants to do with there game. If you say allow us to pick what BR spread we want what happens to the other guns? Putting to much customization could just ruin the game all together with huge loads of not fair gametypes and weapons not being as you said it OP all able to be used for something.

  • 06.09.2009 3:34 PM PDT

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Wow I didn't realize the MLG community had become so picky.

Most of them reflect what the fan base as a whole wants so I don't see why the MLG community would be dissapointed with anything in the game if Bungie listens to their fans (which they do).

  • 06.09.2009 3:36 PM PDT

Totally agree with the OP amazing ideas :)
Plus, MLG people are part of the community, no discriminating plz

  • 06.09.2009 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Although I hate MLG, most of these ideas seem great, and not just for the MLG community.

  • 06.09.2009 3:55 PM PDT

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I can't help it. Your mom makes such a big breakfast when we wake up every morning.

To everyone who keeps saying that Bungie caters to its fans, not MLG:

I guarantee you the guys over at MLG are just as big of fans as the Halo trilogy, if not more, than a lot of you here. Many of them have dedicated a ridiculous amount of time to the games Bungie puts out and the OP just wants to put ideas out into the open. I do not understand how this is any different that any forum member posting his/her ideas for the game or even a sub-community like the forging community or the grifball community discussing ideas on what Reach will have to offer. Bungie quite obviously cares about MLG and their taste for gaming as they even placed a full-time, dedicated playlist to their style of play. Perhaps they will take some of these ideas into consideration while building this new game.

  • 06.09.2009 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
haha MLG only care about MP.


Well that would be because MLG is a company designed around competitive multiplayer gaming :-p

All in all I doubt any of those would differ much from what the regular fans would want in the next stage of gaming. As gaming becomes more and more casual, MLG is in this world as a company attempting to remind Gaming Companies that they need to cater to their Hardcore fans as well.

Just look at wii sales and the differences in games. Halo CE was incredibly fast paced whereas Halo 3 is a lot slower in comparison. Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily. But for fans of the more fast paced, competitive track, it is. They want choice in their games and thats where MLG comes in. Thats what MLG is doing and I'm sure there are people bashing the sort of cult following they are getting that take things to the extreme.

Not all MLG players are jackasses who worship the battle rifle and hate the normal game. They just prefer their variant as you prefer yours. Respect that and also try to avoid stereotyping. Its a poor thing to integrate into the community and if you start labeling people one thing youre not better than they are.

Again, I'm pleased with the list MLG has come up with and I hope they will encourage Bungie to cater a bit more to the hardcore fans at least in the custom game options to allow us to create the type of gaming we want. After all, MLG may still be small, but it is growing quite steadily and its bringing back competitive gaming to the market thats going quite casual. A good mixture needs to be set. Games need to be fun for everyone after all. Thats why choice is such a big factor. Game Developers need to offer both styles of play.
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Also, I see a bunch of people stating they "hate MLG." I implore you, as I stated above, to please respect the business. You can dislike the community thats rallied underneath it, but respect what the goal of the company is for the gaming community as a whole. Its about offering a choice to gamers and more options for them to play with in games. Also, again, not everyone in the MLG community is a rude kid who things he is amazing and godly and deserves to play at the professional level. Some of us, like myself, just enjoy the competitive nature. I personally hate some of jackasses in the MLG community, but I also hate a fair share of those in the Halo 3 community. Stereotyping is ruining the entire gaming community and creating sects where we should be standing together in love of the game we play. Put aside the differences in the way in which we play the game and just enjoy the game.

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  • 06.09.2009 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Not all MLG players are jackasses who worship the battle rifle and hate the normal game. They just prefer their variant as you prefer yours. Respect that and also try to avoid stereotyping. Its a poor thing to integrate into the community and if you start labeling people one thing youre not better than they are.


Fair enough, but they are poorly represented by their Halo community. I've ran into much fewer cool guys from MLG than anything else, but they do certainly exist. My issue isn't so much the community itself but the direction that the ultra-competitive players take MM in general, look at what's happened to the playlists to this point. It's all due to the majority prefering the simplified (and becoming simpler) slayer playlists and MLG playlist falls under that category. The emphasis on the hyper-competitive takes away from the rest of the game, that is my issue.

Again, I'm pleased with the list MLG has come up with and I hope they will encourage Bungie to cater a bit more to the hardcore fans at least in the custom game options to allow us to create the type of gaming we want. After all, MLG may still be small, but it is growing quite steadily and its bringing back competitive gaming to the market thats going quite casual. A good mixture needs to be set. Games need to be fun for everyone after all. Thats why choice is such a big factor. Game Developers need to offer both styles of play.

I have no problem with any of those features becoming available for custom game options, personally I was rather impressed with how Halo3's custom options were expanded they way they were. There is nothing wrong with further expanding the custom game options, but I would never want to see any of these things make their way into regular MM, which I could easily see happening in a similar fashion that it did with Halo3.

  • 06.09.2009 4:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Not all MLG players are jackasses who worship the battle rifle and hate the normal game. They just prefer their variant as you prefer yours. Respect that and also try to avoid stereotyping. Its a poor thing to integrate into the community and if you start labeling people one thing youre not better than they are.


Fair enough, but they are poorly represented by their Halo community. I've ran into much fewer cool guys from MLG than anything else, but they do certainly exist. My issue isn't so much the community itself but the direction that the ultra-competitive players take MM in general, look at what's happened to the playlists to this point. It's all due to the majority prefering the simplified (and becoming simpler) slayer playlists and MLG playlist falls under that category. The emphasis on the hyper-competitive takes away from the rest of the game, that is my issue.

Again, I'm pleased with the list MLG has come up with and I hope they will encourage Bungie to cater a bit more to the hardcore fans at least in the custom game options to allow us to create the type of gaming we want. After all, MLG may still be small, but it is growing quite steadily and its bringing back competitive gaming to the market thats going quite casual. A good mixture needs to be set. Games need to be fun for everyone after all. Thats why choice is such a big factor. Game Developers need to offer both styles of play.

I have no problem with any of those features becoming available for custom game options, personally I was rather impressed with how Halo3's custom options were expanded they way they were. There is nothing wrong with further expanding the custom game options, but I would never want to see any of these things make their way into regular MM, which I could easily see happening in a similar fashion that it did with Halo3.


The thing youre failing to realize is that MLG is basically self contained within its own playlist. You don't have to play it. Also, while I agree that there is a form of simplification in MLG, it doesnt in fact simplify the game but in fact makes it more difficult.

It lowers the amount of total instances, but with increased movement speed, more damage dealt, and slower recharge on shields, it counteracts the fact that things were removed and thus instances that could occur were removed, by reducing the time given to a player to make a decision in a situation. Plus, it places more emphasis on weapon control in combination with weapon handling skill. The rockets may be the only exception in that they have high magnetism, high damage, and offer an instant kill, but they fit the niche they need to in the competitive arena.

I haven't played a single game of Halo 3 multiplayer online in which someone has not been a jackass. It was the same with Halo 2. Its called online anonymity and it permeates every single community. Looking around these forums I see a bunch of people who act like jackasses and i see the same on MLGs. The percentages, I would be willing to bet, if you were to run a test, would be identical. Its merely the nature of human beings. Sociology, if you will.

Personally, I find the Halo community, especially that of the Halo 3 community forum, is a terrible representation of the community. The amount of spam, the amount of repeated threads, the amount of people asking "can I haz reconz?" is appalling. Not to mention but the flood is a poor representation of the Halo community as half of them don't even like Halo anymore but stick around to spam and talk about unrelated issues. Every community has a bunch of people that rise to the top and become the stereotypical person for the group.

To an outside who doesn't play video games at all, they see us as people who are generally nerdy. For those who have witnessed some of the things that occur on live, they too would be appalled by gamers in general for their general disregard and hate speech about other people in the community. Trash Talking sums up videogames in general for the rest of human society and thats a terrible thing.

  • 06.09.2009 4:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
The thing youre failing to realize is that MLG is basically self contained within its own playlist. You don't have to play it. Also, while I agree that there is a form of simplification in MLG, it doesnt in fact simplify the game but in fact makes it more difficult.


I understand exactly what the MLG playlist is, the thing that your missing though is the fallout of having one. When people go to play MLG and don't care for the entirety of it's settings, yet like certain aspects of it, they start requesting that those aspects become the norm in the other playlists. Some of them happen, some of them don't but most of them change the regular format of those games into games of a higher competitive level. Personally I have no issue with their being an MLG playlist, I was a huge fan of Hardcore back in the day and MLG is pretty fun (with a team), but I feel should stay there, not translate into other playlists, and that is what has happened. Stands to reason it will only continue.

I haven't played a single game of Halo 3 multiplayer online in which someone has not been a jackass. It was the same with Halo 2. Its called online anonymity and it permeates every single community. Looking around these forums I see a bunch of people who act like jackasses and i see the same on MLGs. The percentages, I would be willing to bet, if you were to run a test, would be identical. Its merely the nature of human beings. Sociology, if you will.

Personally, I find the Halo community, especially that of the Halo 3 community forum, is a terrible representation of the community. The amount of spam, the amount of repeated threads, the amount of people asking "can I haz reconz?" is appalling. Not to mention but the flood is a poor representation of the Halo community as half of them don't even like Halo anymore but stick around to spam and talk about unrelated issues. Every community has a bunch of people that rise to the top and become the stereotypical person for the group.

To an outside who doesn't play video games at all, they see us as people who are generally nerdy. For those who have witnessed some of the things that occur on live, they too would be appalled by gamers in general for their general disregard and hate speech about other people in the community. Trash Talking sums up videogames in general for the rest of human society and thats a terrible thing.


I agree wholeheartedly, and again i'm not picking on MLG as a group, I just do not care for some of the impact that MLG's prescence in MM has had. It is certainly sad that the majority of the vocal Halo community does put on a bad face for the rest of us. There is nothing wrong with being tenacious fans, but some people just take things too far. However where there is competition there will be trash talking, but people need to keep it from getting rediculous.

[Edited on 06.09.2009 4:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2009 4:42 PM PDT

Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them.

Good work Hunter...but i think most people on these forums will just hit the reply button and not read the first post.

MOST of the responses in this thread make me glad I moved on to the MLG forums. We actually get to discuss the flaws of the game instead of slowly crawling further up bungie's *** on our quest for recon and recognition.

See you back at MLG ;)

  • 06.09.2009 4:45 PM PDT

remove all annual achievements and I walked all that and sime diganme can give please













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  • 06.09.2009 4:46 PM PDT

Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them.

hmmm

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  • 06.09.2009 4:48 PM PDT
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What about adjusting player spawn logic and the option to use Halo CE weapon spawn system? Spectator mode? The ability to stack power-ups? More well balanced equipment. Force player model custom game option? Halo CE/2 style power ups? More reticule magnetism, less bullet magnetism?

  • 06.09.2009 4:58 PM PDT

Halo 3 is good.

Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
haha MLG only care about MP.

most ideas sound ok.

I want a way where you can put bots against each other, like a scenario maker, where you could spawn marines and brutes and make them fight eachother.

Imagine a Halo campaign level editor like forge? Bungie would be the first to do this.


Of course the MLG community would care for the MP only.

You dont see MLG tournaments consisting of teams fighting in campaign.

  • 06.09.2009 5:09 PM PDT