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Posted by: Barighm
Eek. No. MLG is way too competitive. They're way too focused on the competitive aspects of the game. They care little for all the other things that make Halo great. If it were up to them, all games would be BR games and we'd never have any variety.


And what exactly makes Halo great? Oh, I'm sorry, that's right, that varies from person to person. While you were making that statement did you think of the possibility that the competitive aspects of Halo are what makes Halo great for them?

  • 06.09.2009 6:07 PM PDT

Waiting for H:CE on XBL Arcade!

Use the Halo: Combat Evolved spawn system

It produces better play than the current spawn system in H3, which is affected by the following factors:
- Location of teammate(s)
- Location of opposing player(s)
- Deaths of teammates in an area for 20 seconds
- Field of View/Line of Sight of opposing players
- Active Nade throws
- Which direction the flag has been pulled

And a plethora of other things.

  • 06.09.2009 6:10 PM PDT

I'm a fan of both the halo universe and mlg. I'm more of a competitive player but i play casually too and i spend more time at b.net. I don't understand why mlg and casual halo players can't get along, since they both play the same game.

To those that say bungie doesn't care about mlg's opinion they are mistaken. Not only does bungie sponsor mlg, they also have mlg look at there maps first, as well as ask there opinion of what they think halo needs. This doesn't mean that mlg has control over bungie, they just have a say, the same way the halo community does.

Most of the people on these forums anymore don't really know what they are talking about since they haven't been long term halo fans. This might not always be the case, but in most cases the longer that a person has been a part of the halo universe, the smarter they are on how things work.

But all this fails in comparison that Halo: Reach is over a year away, which is both a long period of time but also a short amount of time in how long it takes to make a game. For this reason there are most likely skeletons down already for both campaign and multiplayer.

  • 06.09.2009 6:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: ZeroDefiance
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: katra1962
Bungie makes games for the fans not mlg


They may make them for the fans, but they seem to change things to cater to the hyper competitive. Not to be rude, but I could give a rats nut what the MLG community wants out of Reach. IMO opinion MP should come second in the priority list from the development process. Make a great game first, then worry about the MP.


I disagree entirely. MP is what's going to keep the game alive in the long run, it should take as much priority, if not more, than the campaign.


Halo CE, argueably the best in the existing trilogy, had it's MP added after the fact and it did just fine, in fact it blew up the console LAN world. Proof positive that you don't need to build the game around the MP to make it work. The more they add to MP the more people get irrtated by things getting changed.


Hmmm, I was not aware that H2 and H3s campaign were built around the mp. If that is truly the case, then the campaign should come first, if that means a better chance of having a fantastic mp.

  • 06.09.2009 6:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Champloo Who
Use the Halo: Combat Evolved spawn system

It produces better play than the current spawn system in H3, which is affected by the following factors:
- Location of teammate(s)
- Location of opposing player(s)
- Deaths of teammates in an area for 20 seconds
- Field of View/Line of Sight of opposing players
- Active Nade throws
- Which direction the flag has been pulled

And a plethora of other things.


I don't think I would go that route as the Halo CE spawn system was very predictable after a point. I remember just sitting outside of red base in my tank wasting people as they spawned, it was an easy area to cover. The only one's that would get by my sight were the one's that spawn opposite side of the base, but I still racked up kills left and right.

I don't think the system needs a huge overhaul, I think they just need to do what they can to prevent the terrible amounts of spawn trapping that goes on.

  • 06.09.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZeroDefiance
Hmmm, I was not aware that H2 and H3s campaign were built around the mp. If that is truly the case, then the campaign should come first, if that means a better chance of having a fantastic mp.


i believe in Halo2 and 3 they were worked on simultaneously, however more importance was placed on the MP as the concern was xbl longevity. This is evident in some of the weapon and equipment additions. But the additions for the sake of additions lead to overcomplication of a simple formula. The trick is to keep things fresh without cluttering the space. I cannot fault Bungie for trying to take care of their fans, but it does get to a point where you eventually need to considering screwing one part of your fan-base to please the other, which is where we seem to be now with Halo3. The competitive players (of any group) urged several of those changes. Having competition playlists wasn't enough, they want everything fashioned after them, so where does everyone else go?

I'm hoping that there is enough different about Reach to where Bungie can have a clean slate with how they approach MP, but I do certainly hope that campaign is the main focus of the dev team.

  • 06.09.2009 6:21 PM PDT

haha modern warfare 2 will be way better!

  • 06.09.2009 6:27 PM PDT

dedicated serversOh god no. which everybody can agree uponImpossible. Unless you pass everyone who disagrees as a "something" instead of "someone"... which is far too common these days.You guys speak as if the fans of MLG are not fans of Bungie as well.Judging from what you see in mlgpro-180, they are not. They hate Bunge like nationalsocialists hated socialism. And those who like bungie, or anything they did, are their Jews.They might as well make there own FPS.Already did, it's called Shadowrun. Too bad for them that MLG doesn't flagship it because they want all the casual viewers a Halo game brings in. The could even play Halo 1 if they wanted competition, but again it doesn't bring enough viewers.

  • 06.09.2009 6:32 PM PDT

- customisation in custom games fully. this means being able to control everything Such as: player movement speed intervals in 1%, to how much the weapons spread within the reticule, as well as respawn times, auto aim/aim assist meter and damage metres per each weapon, rate of fire, recoil, magnetism, reload time, melee reset time, grenade damage, grenade damage radius, grenade throwing distance.. I think that this would be the best feature as it would allow bungie to cater for their general crowd of casual gamers without hurting the competitive market

So you want to be able to make your own version of Halo: Reach MP. Customization is to let you make your own games inside Bungie's framework of the game THEY made. Not your own game. A lot of this is very ridiculous to even fathom.

  • 06.09.2009 6:37 PM PDT

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It's simple. The competitive player doesn't want the game to be based only on casual gameplay. While the casual gamer doesn't want the game based off of competitive play. What makes things worse in Halo 3 is that for the "hardcore" gamers the BR is not up to par like halo 2 or like the pistol in CE. They want the old halo 2 BR and then casual gamers think that this will completely change their entire game expereince.

The same goes for how mlg minded people try to get br starts in everything and these two groups war at trying to get what they want in a playlist.

Its like Israel and palestine they will always fight because they fight over the same thing.

Posted by: ObliviousJunk
I'm a fan of both the halo universe and mlg. I'm more of a competitive player but i play casually too and i spend more time at b.net. I don't understand why mlg and casual halo players can't get along, since they both play the same game.

To those that say bungie doesn't care about mlg's opinion they are mistaken. Not only does bungie sponsor mlg, they also have mlg look at there maps first, as well as ask there opinion of what they think halo needs. This doesn't mean that mlg has control over bungie, they just have a say, the same way the halo community does.

Most of the people on these forums anymore don't really know what they are talking about since they haven't been long term halo fans. This might not always be the case, but in most cases the longer that a person has been a part of the halo universe, the smarter they are on how things work.

But all this fails in comparison that Halo: Reach is over a year away, which is both a long period of time but also a short amount of time in how long it takes to make a game. For this reason there are most likely skeletons down already for both campaign and multiplayer.

  • 06.09.2009 7:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Champloo Who
Use the Halo: Combat Evolved spawn system

It produces better play than the current spawn system in H3, which is affected by the following factors:
- Location of teammate(s)
- Location of opposing player(s)
- Deaths of teammates in an area for 20 seconds
- Field of View/Line of Sight of opposing players
- Active Nade throws
- Which direction the flag has been pulled

And a plethora of other things.


I don't think I would go that route as the Halo CE spawn system was very predictable after a point. I remember just sitting outside of red base in my tank wasting people as they spawned, it was an easy area to cover. The only one's that would get by my sight were the one's that spawn opposite side of the base, but I still racked up kills left and right.

I don't think the system needs a huge overhaul, I think they just need to do what they can to prevent the terrible amounts of spawn trapping that goes on.


Plus watch some lan videos of CE and you will see spawning behind someone is almost a gurantee each match.

  • 06.09.2009 7:16 PM PDT

Posted by: cpt falcon911
Plus watch some lan videos of CE and you will see spawning behind someone is almost a gurantee each match.


And it also still happens in Halo 3.

  • 06.09.2009 7:18 PM PDT

Snakie Purple.

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Because, you know, MLG makes the rules and Bungie just makes the game...{Sarcasm}. How about you play the game instead of controlling the development process?

Go away, MLG!

  • 06.09.2009 7:19 PM PDT

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Psh, with a list that long, it seems like they just want the entire game to be:

Halo: MLG

  • 06.09.2009 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Psh, with a list that long, it seems like they just want the entire game to be:

Halo: MLG

Yeah. Why doesn't MLG just purchase a game development studio to make there own game?

  • 06.09.2009 7:22 PM PDT

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When I googled Harold Ryan it came up with a car dealers name and when I clicked on an ad saying they could get rid of my tickets (OMG Click it Or Ticket!) it said only $500. If you take $500 from $500 you get $0 and if you add $8 to that and then take away $1 you get $7! Coincidence or not?

No?

  • 06.09.2009 7:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Psh, with a list that long, it seems like they just want the entire game to be:

Halo: MLG

Yeah. Why doesn't MLG just purchase a game development studio to make there own game?



I know, seriously. =/

  • 06.09.2009 7:24 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Good list. Hah, but where is the fun? It seems MLG is interesting in even MORE competitiveness. But I agree with the list.

  • 06.09.2009 7:41 PM PDT
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Halo reach. Will you stupid B.net kids just get off the shaft of MLG please? its so annoying every time i see any post about MLG its you bad kids trashing it. I'm just sick of it, I've been dealing with you little kids, and recreational players since halo 2. I'm not bashing recreational video gaming like come on its a video game. MLG is fun though like its not all crazy competition. I just get pissed off at you brig grade 2 kids and all you other kids that are just plain bad that post about how MLGis "whoring" the BR and sniper... Like Wtf! saying the AR is better and -blam!-. IT IS SPRAY AND PRAY. Personally i think all this animosity is just jealousy cause were the kids that -blam!- faces and are just all round better at everything. But have fun playing ts and zombies and -blam!-. Just my two cents

Much Love

MLG :)


ps: i'm just saying what all you MLG kids are thinking ;)

pps: I have alot of respect for you casual players just not you snobby bad kids that think they're good and completely misunderstand MLG.

I would like to see in reach :

1. Hit Scan BR - Halo 2 br with its glitches.
reason : Made the game more competitive and even though it was op made it balanced
Example : guy with br can kill sword.

2. Smaller maps all round
Reason : makes for faster games

3. dedicated Servers
Reason : would be cool no host, however faster internet would prevail.

4.Clans --> More friends :) !!




[Edited on 06.09.2009 8:20 PM PDT]

  • 06.09.2009 7:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: ObliviousJunk
I don't understand why mlg and casual halo players can't get along, since they both play the same game.
Because the majority of MLG players do not respect people who play for fun and feel superior to them.

It's extremely annoying to have to repeatedly endure passive agressive insults from teenagers. After a while you just want them to go away and take their group-think mentality with them.

Case in point:
Posted by: iMariyo
Will you stupid B.net kids just get off the shaft of MLG please? its so annoying every time i see any post about MLG its you bad kids trashing it. I'm just sick of it, I've been dealing with you little kids, and recreational players since halo 2...I just get pissed off at you brig grade 2 kids and all you other kids that are just plain bad that post about how MLGis "whoring" the BR and sniper... Like Wtf! saying the AR is better and -blam!-. IT IS SPRAY AND PRAY. Personally i think all this animosity is just jealousy cause were the kids that -blam!- faces and are just all round better at everything.

ps: i'm just saying what all you MLG kids are thinking ;)
Could anyone possibly feel any more superior?


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  • 06.09.2009 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: iMariyo
Halo reach. Will you stupid B.net kids just get off the shaft of MLG please? its so annoying every time i see any post about MLG its you bad kids trashing it. I'm just sick of it, I've been dealing with you little kids, and recreational players since halo 2. I'm not bashing recreational video gaming like come on its a video game. MLG is fun though like its not all crazy competition. I just get pissed off at you brig grade 2 kids and all you other kids that are just plain bad that post about how MLGis "whoring" the BR and sniper... Like Wtf! saying the AR is better and -blam!-. IT IS SPRAY AND PRAY. Personally i think all this animosity is just jealousy cause were the kids that -blam!- faces and are just all round better at everything. But have fun playing ts and zombies and -blam!-. Just my two cents

Much Love

MLG :)


ps: i'm just saying what all you MLG kids are thinking ;)


This is why most people hate MLG. You think your -blam!- doesn't stink. You just don't understand that a lot of mature, non-child players just don't enjoy with the MLG style of play and would rather play Halo: Reach, not Halo: MLG. We don't want your BR and Halo: CE pistol only, super elite, competitive gaming -blam!-. You try to force thing upon the game like you own it. And if people don't like your style of play they are, in your opinion "OMGz BR iz ghey i only use teh asult rifle and im 5 yrs old".

I enjoy the BR and competitiveness. I also enjoy Halo gameplay and fun. I don't enjoy MLG's narrow-mindedness. I like all of the weapons in Halo, not just the 'pro' weapons, so don't try to force me into playing the game that MLG wants.

  • 06.09.2009 8:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kuro420
I love watching people bash MLG. For the most part, the MLG community is a very friendly one, unlike the Halo community as a whole. The Halo community has to be one of the most outspoken and quick to judge communities there is. I am not saying that there are not amazing people in the Halo community, there are plenty, but they are overshadowed by the majority of people who see the letter MLG in the thread topic and decide to go post something like: "OMG fuk MLG. dey suk!!!11". I have yet to see a compelling argument as to why MLG is such trash. Simply put, there isn't one.

Another poster nailed it on the head, they are a niche group. A small fraction of the Halo community as a whole. They enjoy playing the game a certain way, and should be able to freely express what they would like to see from the game. And how dare they, right? More customization in multiplayer? What a bunch of idiots. The nerve of those people, asking a developer put more customization options in the multiplayer part of the game. How selfish of them, because god knows they are the only ones who would benefit from it. Certainly the machinima crowd wouldn't be able to use more customization. And I am sure the entire forging community would hate to see forge have a 90 degree snap tool and more in depth editing.

Honestly, what they are asking for hurts no one.

Posted by: Redraven1992

bungie makes games for the fans not mlg

and btw this sounds like pretty specific stuff
sound like enofe to idk MAKE URE OWN GAME
ya mabye mlg should make their own game instead of mooching and demanding off of other companies and producers. u spend the money u make it however u want.

and if halo moves a centimeter more tward mlg i will NEVER buy another one of their games again.
btw i <3 bungie n halo


Because we all know you can't like MLG and Halo. It is one or the other. And I am sure it would be so easy for them to just up and develop their own game. Forget being happy that a game you love is getting the attention it deserves, instead act like an elitist. I am sure Bungie will go bankrupt because they lose out on your $60. To quote Randall from Clerks:

Posted by: Randall from Clerks
You'll be missed.


Posted by: blingchu

Bungie does every damn thing MLG says to


Yeah, because they sure fixed the BR spread when the MLG community whined about it for weeks. And we all know they banned elites from the MLG playlist when the community complained about that too. Point well proven my friend.

Posted by: Dyslexic Cheif

I'm pretty sure most MLG kids are Halo fans. Don't be a douche to them just because you disagree with their idea "fun".


+1 internets to you sir. That is what it all boils down to. All communities involved in Halo, be it MLG, forging, machinima, or just getting on LIVE and having some fun in the playlists, all want a fun game and they all have a different idea of what fun is.

Insulting someone simply because they enjoy the competitive nature of the game is amazingly ignorant. That is like getting mad at pro football players because they play football with different rules than you do with your friends.

Bottom line, can't we all just get along and respect one anothers opinions and ideas? Oh wait, this is the internet. Nevermind.

tl;dr stfu internet

Great, intelligent post. I wish there were more people on B.net like you.

  • 06.09.2009 8:29 PM PDT

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I'm not much into the MLG setting, but I like most, if not all of these ideas. It would make multiplayer suck a lot less, and, with all these new proposed customization options, there would be less to complain about.

I definitely like the idea of bots, even more so if they could be matched to your skill level, and allow you to practice offline, or even in customs.

  • 06.09.2009 8:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sexy_Penguin
- customisation in custom games fully. this means being able to control everything Such as: player movement speed intervals in 1%, to how much the weapons spread within the reticule, as well as respawn times, auto aim/aim assist meter and damage metres per each weapon, rate of fire, recoil, magnetism, reload time, melee reset time, grenade damage, grenade damage radius, grenade throwing distance.. I think that this would be the best feature as it would allow bungie to cater for their general crowd of casual gamers without hurting the competitive market

So you want to be able to make your own version of Halo: Reach MP. Customization is to let you make your own games inside Bungie's framework of the game THEY made. Not your own game. A lot of this is very ridiculous to even fathom.


Explain to me how this is a bad thing. How does this diminish your enjoyment of the game if others can enjoy the game differently? Not everyone wants to play the game the same way you do. Do you read you post? They make you sound very self-centered and closed-minded. I am not saying you are but your post here lead me to think this.

  • 06.09.2009 8:42 PM PDT
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Despite my deep hatred for MLG, I actually agree with a lot of those.

  • 06.09.2009 8:49 PM PDT