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I didn't generalise anyone. I looked at the thread and SAW all the people flaming MLG and said it was pathetic. Not the community. Those specific people.
All I was trying to say is there is a better way to get your point across than what you did.

Maybe. I've tried that before. They normally just flame me saying they don't care.

  • 06.11.2009 1:54 AM PDT

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Most are great except sensitivity.

Do you know how long it would take to find which one suited you best out of 100? How way too fast 100 would be? How way too slow 1 would be?


You don't think that the speed of 100 sensitivity = speed 10 sensitivity?
And instead of having like 9.6 in sense you will have 96, get it?
And i like the sense the way it is now btw.

  • 06.11.2009 2:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: halomhm214423534
Posted by: Genesis

I didn't generalise anyone. I looked at the thread and SAW all the people flaming MLG and said it was pathetic. Not the community. Those specific people.
All I was trying to say is there is a better way to get your point across than what you did.

Maybe. I've tried that before. They normally just flame me saying they don't care.
Then ignore them if they are being immature . . . Why must you argue with them ?

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Posted by: halomhm214423534
Posted by: Genesis
Posted by: halomhm214423534
Posted by: Genesis

I didn't generalise anyone. I looked at the thread and SAW all the people flaming MLG and said it was pathetic. Not the community. Those specific people.
All I was trying to say is there is a better way to get your point across than what you did.

Maybe. I've tried that before. They normally just flame me saying they don't care.
Then ignore them if they are being immature . . . Why must you argue with them ?

I don't. That's the point. I then, however, come on the forums hoping to see some discussion about Halo: Reach and see even MORE people flaming MLG like usual. Annoys me.

  • 06.11.2009 2:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: outstare
I think that MLG has done a fantastic job on that list. It's a lot more than what I could have come up with. As for all of the people that say that Bungie should focus more on the campaign. I love the campaign in Halo. It's my favorite part. But how long do actual Halo players play the campaign? Maybe for like 3 months, then they've gotten all they can from it. As for mulitplayer, there have been 200,000 + people playing that every day since Halo 3 came out. There is obviously a much more need for better multiplayer. Now whether they should focus on Matchmaking or Custom Games is different. If you look at most of the Halo 3 players, you can hardly see any custom games at all on their service record. So I think that most of what bungie should be focused on is lag/latency, rank system, dropped bullets, host adv/disadv, and equality in teams. ( I say disadvantage, because my brother was playing a MLG 1v1 today and when he was off-host more of his shots registered. ) Also for the campaign people, Bungie is coming out with an almost exclusively campaign game called ODST. IT IS ONLY CAMPAIGN!!! (and 3 halo 3 maps and firefight). That's my 2 cents.

BTW: when did we get the member ranks?

Why do people who really only play MP not understand the importance of the Battle of Reach in the Halo lore? This is Empire Strikes Back of the Halo universe. Though I didn't finish First Strike, I already know the UNSC lost many SPARTAN casualitites even though some survived and made it to Onyx (have yet to read).

I say, for the sake of the universe fans such as myself, focus on the campaign first instead of the MP. Also, ODST, while still getting it, is an add-on to Halo 3 (though it takes place during the first half of Halo 2) and thus is not a full game. However, I do like this list very much so to people who haven't read the list and are just MLG hating, read the list. It's quite good, especially bots.

  • 06.11.2009 5:28 AM PDT

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you'll get what your given, its not that long ago that some MLG guy ranted that BR isnt in Halo 3: ODST and therefore all of MLG wont play
halo 3 is fraught with MLG (both actual and wannabe) elitism and stupidity, its high time the halo fans got a game that isnt instantly destroyed by the overly competitive nature of MLG based gametypes

keep it for the fans of HALOs gameplay, not MLGs gameplay

  • 06.11.2009 5:42 AM PDT

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I like some of the stuff on the list, but others just aren't needed. If we could have less spam between MLG and everyone else, it would defiantly help out though.(no I'm not an MLG fan.)

  • 06.11.2009 5:43 AM PDT

I'm just not understanding the MLG hate. It seems like the bungie.net forums have this twisted stereotype about the MLG community. NOT ALL OF US ARE JERKS. We just prefer playing gametypes that we consider more fair than normal settings. Many of us have a distaste for getting needled, or starting with ARs which give us a constant disadvantage at range.

Some of those suggestions were totally legitimate. The bullet refund, for one, should be fixed. If you guys didn't know, the bullet refund affects the AR and SMG along with the BR.

In fact, many of the suggestions listed there would be enjoyed by most of the community. Who wouldn't want an upgraded forge system? I know that a large part of the bungie.net community has been wanting remakes of some of the better maps from Halo CE and 2.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:39 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 6:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: II Cyanide II
I'm just not understanding the MLG hate.

I think one reason maybe in this thread is the misleading title. It says "requested" instead of something like "suggested". A request is something that must happen, that must be in there. A suggestion is something that may or may not be in there and is fine if it isn't.

I put in my two cents even if it's wrong with my definitions.

  • 06.11.2009 6:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: hal0man88
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Bungie makes games for the fans not mlg


I couldn't have said it better myself. MLG sucks.

As others have said, MLG is made up of Halo fans too. Heck, their logo is a SPARTAN-II.

  • 06.11.2009 7:05 AM PDT

You know, almost all of the ideas you've provided deal with reverting the game back to Halo CE and Halo 2. But i think that would be an insult to the fans that are paying for a new game.

I mean, seriously, should they really remake a dozen maps from games that already are on the Xbox 360 and usable on Xbox Live? If they do that, there will literally be millions of fans angry because of the lack for new content. You asked for "More remakes and more original maps"? That makes me think you don't really have any priorities here. You are just asking for everything.

Another problem I have with your list is that it suggests a game that is based around MLG play. You request that all of the maps from Halo 2 and Halo 3 used for MLG be remade. You asked for weapon revisions that would turn every gun into an MLG gun.

Bungie doesn't make the games for the MLG Community. Bungie just makes a great game for the entire community. They provide limitless options for customizing your maps and gametypes. MLG only exists because of this capability.

You MLG guys really have it backwards. MLG exists because of Halo. Halo does not exist for MLG. In fact, these days (telling the truth, not trying to flame), the MLG playlist has turned into the most ignorant and derogatory playlist in Halo 3. And I am only a level 18 in MLG. I can't imagine what it would be like if I was in the 30's. MLG is also fraught with unsportsmanlike conduct, rank boosters, EXP boosters, and 2nd/3rd/4th/5th accounters.

So, before you go asking for an entire game based on what the MLG Community wants, take a close look at what the MLG Community has done with what Bungie has already given them. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that, if the MLG playlist was extended to an entire game, very few people besides the MLG "Professionals" would enjoy it.

Do you know what has attracted so many people to Halo 3? Do you know why, almost 2 years later, it is still consistently the most popular game on the Xbox 360? It is because Halo 3 has variety. Ranked games, Social games, even Action Sack. Halo 3 provides something for everyone, including the MLG Community. This does not mean that one part of this "everyone" should be calling all the shots. It goes against what Halo stands for.

I'm not saying that all MLG fans fit the description that I have provided. I am just saying that the MLG Community, as a whole, has not successfully proven why they should have ANY input for Halo: Reach.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 7:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 7:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Skiggeroth
MLG has been a part of Halo longer than 90% of the people posting in this thread.



MLG has harmed Halo more than have 90% of the people posting in this thread.


Posted by: iMariyo
Halo reach. Will you stupid B.net kids just get off the shaft of MLG please? its so annoying every time i see any post about MLG its you bad kids trashing it. I'm just sick of it, I've been dealing with you little kids, and recreational players since halo 2. I'm not bashing recreational video gaming like come on its a video game. MLG is fun though like its not all crazy competition. I just get pissed off at you brig grade 2 kids and all you other kids that are just plain bad that post about how MLGis "whoring" the BR and sniper... Like Wtf! saying the AR is better and -blam!-. IT IS SPRAY AND PRAY. Personally i think all this animosity is just jealousy cause were the kids that -blam!- faces and are just all round better at everything. But have fun playing ts and zombies and -blam!-. Just my two cents


Yeah, okay, it's us that think we better than you and are "blam faces". Of course it's not you who is the elitist one. Of course it's not the person who calls everyone who disagrees with him a "bad kid". Seriously, where did that insult even come from? Great creativity on that one.

And OH NO!!!. A Brigadier Grade 2? What a "BK". He must be a "BK" for actually playing the game and not making another account to get a 50 faster. He must be a "BK" becuase he wasn't a 50 within his first 1,000 games of Halo 3. Seriously, who is a 50 that quick? The only 50s I see with less than 1,000 EXP are obviously on a new account. Who even KNOWS how many games that 50 has played before that.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 7:45 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 7:27 AM PDT

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MLG has been a part of Halo longer than 90% of the people posting in this thread.



MLG has changed over those years so much that it is basically not the same group anymore. They didn't change things in Halo 1, or much of Halo 2 when MLG was starting. Now they basically want their own game, instead of just "going with the flow."


Because Halo became less competitive. It was dumbed down for the masses. The masses who buy the game and play it until the next new thing comes out.


So, are you suggesting that less competition means the game is "dumbed down"? Are you saying that, for the game to be anything but "dumb", it has to be heavy on competition?

That is EXACTLY the flaw with MLG. MLG tries to tell us that, for a game to have any purpose, it has to be all competition. Skiggeroth just showed us that assumption with his last post. The MLG community doesn't understand that a game can be fun without being competition heavy. Hey, if you say that Halo 3 was "dumbed down" for people who just move aimlessly from game to game, I challenge you to look at my Service Record.

Playing since February 20, 2008. About 3500 Matchmaking games. You know what you won't see much of? MLG. Competitive play. How about that for "Non-MLG players just bouncing between games"?

  • 06.11.2009 7:34 AM PDT

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MLG is one of the largest community of fans so when you say bungie would not be catering for their 'true' fans.....yes they would.
I would like a ranking system where you could see how close you were to gaining a skill level similar to what is mentioned in the text above.

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I hope that most of these will be implemented.

  • 06.11.2009 8:04 AM PDT

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I disagree and I think some of your facts are extremely skewed by your personal opinion.

You know, almost all of the ideas you've provided deal with reverting the game back to Halo CE and Halo 2. But i think that would be an insult to the fans that are paying for a new game.
Why on earth would that be an insult to gamers? Halo:CE was a great game. It was an award winning game. It featured a great story, a rather revolutionary multiplayer and paved the way for the other two games. It was, if you make a comparable difference, more difficult however. The market is becoming more and more casual. Look at Wii sales and note how Microsoft and Sony are developing motion technology. Game studios are out to make money. They want to go with the sure fire safe bet when going to develop a game. Is Halo because of its title a sure fire sell? Yes. Is the DLC for it? No. Keeping casual players playing the game is important in todays gaming climate. You want to reap as much benefit as possible by having a long longevity for your games online. Therefore titles like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 have become more and more casual in their play as both Epic Studios and Bungie have decided to narrow the skill gap between players. It allows those who are only playing the game rather casually, maybe a few times a month, to take down those who play more compulsively, maybe a half hour a day or more. Its a business decision and many would prefer the game to become something more of an older model FPS. FPS games, when they first released with titles like Quake and Half-Life and the original Halo, were much faster paced and more exciting back in the day. Not to say that its lost that entirely, it just has gotten a bit slower. Is it so wrong that their opinion is to throw back to the old days of Faster Paced shooters? No. Its an opinion and Halo fans would still love the gameplay. It hasn't altered very much to be honest and as ODST is demonstrating, Bungie does want to go that route at least somewhat.

I mean, seriously, should they really remake a dozen maps from games that already are on the Xbox 360 and usable on Xbox Live? If they do that, there will literally be millions of fans angry because of the lack for new content. You asked for "More remakes and more original maps"? That makes me think you don't really have any priorities here. You are just asking for everything.

Are you familiar with the cyclical pattern of maps in games? Valve, which I admit I am biased towards as they are an amazing company, has a truly visionary outlook on Multiplayer Maps. With their multiplayer games Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2 they decided "Lets make a small amount of maps with amazing replayability." They concluded that was the best decision after studying how maps are played in games. Gamers tend to gravitate towards a few maps as they prove to be the best for replayability (for years on end) and tend to avoid others. Halo 3 is no exception. I would say that the majority of players are not a fan of Isolation. You yourself may disagree, but in my experience and judging by online polls on this site, it is not a popular map.

Therefore, remakes are a great thing and a poor thing at the same time. Yes, they have been played before and thus may appear boring now. However, they also have lived up to the replayability line. Therefore, instituting them seems logical. However, Bungie has decided to alter the maps and sadly it affects the gameplay on them. Why they made that decision is unknown but there was quite an outcry and lack of appreciation with the map Blackout in particular (Across the board, not just MLG fans).

Another problem I have with your list is that it suggests a game that is based around MLG play. You request that all of the maps from Halo 2 and Halo 3 used for MLG be remade. You asked for weapon revisions that would turn every gun into an MLG gun.

It does not suggest gameplay that revolves around MLG play style completely. Some of those elements would make the game have a higher skill gap, but is that a bad thing? No. You're going to merely wind up playing people of your own skill eventually anyway. If the ranking system is more refined then not everyone will be able to get a 50 (obviously not everyone can now but there seems to be a lot of outcry on this site about 50s who appear illegitimate displaying that the ranking system isnt overly accurate).

Furthermore, you're missing the point on some of the suggestions. The MLG community is suggesting a wider level of playstyle for custom games. While it benefits them, it also benefits everyone. It allows more freedom of choice. In fact, the majority of things on that list are simply there to give the gamer more choice when playing the game. Thats why MLG exists. It may be attempting to make competitive gaming more popular, but it is also trying to give gamers more choice when they go to play their favorite games. It isn't trying to strictly make the game built for MLG. Again I reiterate that Halo:CE was beloved and so was Halo 2. Both games were great so throwing in elements of them into the new game, along with some from Halo 3, seems only natural, not a ploy to attempt to make the game more for MLG play.

Bungie doesn't make the games for the MLG Community. Bungie just makes a great game for the entire community. They provide limitless options for customizing your maps and gametypes. MLG only exists because of this capability.

You already said it yourself. Bungie makes games for the entire community. MLG happens to be part of that community. Your statement is actually extremely rude. Youre not willing to accept them as a part of it. Thats technically discrimination and its also labeling fans of MLG under a stereotype. That is offensive. Not everyone who plays MLG does it because they want to be amazing at the game. Inherently, everyone plays games to enjoy them and have fun. Some people have different views on how one has fun. MLG fans tend to prefer to have a bit more competition between themselves and others. It is simply a choice. You don't have to agree with it and thats the beauty of having different options in the game as you have previously stated.

Technically MLG would still exist even without that capability as they have been around since Halo:CE and used the normal settings back then, but they wouldn't be able to use Halo 3 in their brackets were it not for the near limitless customization they have now. Is it so wrong however that they are suggesting more customization? Hell no. Are you saying you as a gamer don't want games to improve in subsequent versions and include more options and choice as to how to play? We need progress in games. The more choice; the more fun.

You MLG guys really have it backwards. MLG exists because of Halo. Halo does not exist for MLG. In fact, these days (telling the truth, not trying to flame), the MLG playlist has turned into the most ignorant and derogatory playlist in Halo 3. And I am only a level 18 in MLG. I can't imagine what it would be like if I was in the 30's. MLG is also fraught with unsportsmanlike conduct, rank boosters, EXP boosters, and 2nd/3rd/4th/5th accounters.

First off, I have rarely entered a game in any corner of matchmaking where there aren't rude people on xbox live. Hell, you're being quite rude right now with some of your rash comments. I don't mean that as an ad hominem argument, I am merely making the observation to prove a point. There are normal Halo 3 fans who don't play MLG who take the game too seriously. They are extremists. Some of them are posting in here bashing MLG with no regard as to what MLG is. There is MLG the corporation, MLG pro players, and then there are MLG fans. Encompassing them into one group is incorrect and a display of ignorance. The company is giving more choice to gamers. The Pro Players generally act extremely nice. The fans for the most part are nice to and I bet youre experience is tarnished simply by the extremists of the group just as many people's experience with Halo in general is tarnished by Halo extremists(again in general.)

It just goes to show that stereotyping is wrong. Labeling an entire group of people is wrong. That and subsequently flaming them is making you no better than the people youre trying to hurt in the first place. Fans inherently are fanatical about something. There are extremists in every bunch. Have you ever heard the phrase "its always a small group of people who ruin it for everyone else." Thats basically whats going on here. Rabid Halo 3 fans are pitting themselves against Rabid MLG fans and on both sides they are forgetting to look in the mirror and realize there is very little thats different between them. Its intolerance at its best. Oh the irony.

Now, I can't copy the rest due to character limits, but you go on to comment on what MLG has done with the game. They've offered a different style of play for gamers. Hardly a bad thing. Have they subsequently spawned some rude Xbox Live members? Yes. But so has every video game in existence. Its not there fault. Its online anonymity. Thats simply due to sociology and it can't be controlled. MLG isn't the sole cause of rabid fanaticism in the Xbox Live realm. MLG has also provided the community with a number of custom made arena style maps that have some rather unparalleled forging. They are beautiful and a great addition.

MLG players, in conclusion, are still fans. They still deserve a say and all they have placed in here is some input on what they want to see. Will it happen? Not necessarily. Will the majority of things they said be good for everyone? Yes. MLG itself is all about giving gamers choice in a world becoming more about casual gaming.

  • 06.11.2009 8:05 AM PDT

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im pretty sure that if you took out the part that this was from the mlf fourms, everyone would be agreeing with you and there would be less flaming idiots.

and yes these ideas are good, but i dont think alot of them will happen.
and its already confirmed as a fps

  • 06.11.2009 8:14 AM PDT

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I couldn't fit it, and I apologize for a double post if it occurs, but MLG isn't forcing its competitive play style on anyone. It isn't spilling out of the MLG playlist. It is self containted right there. It is merely giving people choice in their games. Many MLG players will go in, play one MLG game and then switch it up. I myself play MLG, Squad Battle, and a few other playlists. I got my 50 in slayer, not in MLG.

Now, I know that people understand that not everyone who is an MLG fan is a rabid fanatical fanboy, but the flaming is unnecessary and displaying a great deal of ignorance on the company as I have stated. No one from MLG is stating that their way is the only way and it must be played that way. Nothing like that has ever come out of their mouths to my knowledge. Its just offering choice in an ever more casual world. Its becoming more and more casual too to the point that any real challenge is escaping games and isnt that part of the fun?

Back in the day games were arcade classics and needed quarters to be played. They were hard as hell and many people kept throwing quarters in those classics because they were fun and challenging. Thats what MLG is paying homage to. A more challenging atmosphere that used to surround gaming. It used to be viewed as a more hardcore thing. Its not dissing the new gameplay style at all, just paying homage to what once was.

Again, make the distinction between extremist fans, fans themselves, the MLG company, and the MLG professional players. Don't lump them in one overarching phrase. There are very clear distinctions between them. Hope I was able to clear some of the air of such hatred. If not, so be it. I also hope none of my phrasing came off as ad hominem arguments and if they did, I apologize. I don't meant to attack or offend anyone.

  • 06.11.2009 8:15 AM PDT

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The problem with this thread is that. Well first there's some terrible spelling. Second, you are asking for too much wants. Put it this way if your a kid in November your going to ask your parents for every single thing in a christmas catalog. But in the end you will probably only get two of the items that you actually wanted. Your parents might get you that toy train and a bike. But their not going to get you a PS3 or an wii because you already have a perfectly running 360. Instead of getting maybe a new video game you get some books. Which one will help you in the long run books. You don't really need a brand spanking new system because you have one that isn't broken. Now replace the little kid with you the MLG community, the parents as bungie, the system as Halo 3, and the books as the actual requirements that everyone needs. You may get a remake of a map but I highly doubt that Bungie will cater to you every want and desire because really you don't really need. But Bungie will give you something that your going to actually need to make Halo: Reach a great game.
From your post you made it sound like the MLG Community doesn't appreciate the great game Bungie has put out for you. Bungie even went as so far as to make a playlist for you. Not too many communities can say that. Even if Bungie puts up half of what your Community wants. Not a lot of people are gonna use it. I mean what's the difference between a 60 sensitivity and a 61. Virtually nothing and I can barely tell the difference between a 5 and 6 sensitivity. So don't go around asking for stuff you don't need. What you should be asking for is stuff that is a necessity.

  • 06.11.2009 8:17 AM PDT

Posted by: falcon2falcon
MLG is one of the largest community of fans so when you say bungie would not be catering for their 'true' fans.....yes they would.
I would like a ranking system where you could see how close you were to gaining a skill level similar to what is mentioned in the text above.


You couldn't be more wrong. MLG and the Hardcore community are a minority.

Think about this.
How Many Playlists are in Halo 3.
How many Social Playlists are there? DBLX also count.
How many Ranked Playlists do we have?
Now, how many of those Ranked Playlists are Hardcore?
How many of those Hardcore Playlists use MLG settings on MLG maps?

Just in case you can't count, your final number will come out to be 1. Compare that to...... We'll just pick any number more than 10 so your arrogant brains can understand... Lets just say 11. (But that number is infact too small)

Now, the last step. Take the MLG population. And compare that to the sum of the populations of ALL the other playlists. You still with me? Good.

Yeah. MLG is a minority compared to the average community. If Bungie catered just to MLG, they wouldn't be making as much money now would they? And do you know why? Because no one would playt it.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 8:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 8:18 AM PDT

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Sorry but this isn't Halo MLG this is Halo Reach


they should make that you know, just a multi player disc with limitless customization options n that crap

  • 06.11.2009 8:19 AM PDT

some of the ideas are fine, but you're asking for like 1000 little things. Big picture > finicky details.

  • 06.11.2009 8:23 AM PDT

Some of those ideas are ok but overall you just come off as full of yourself.

Most of those ideas are completely ridiculous and unnecessary.

Instead of look sens. of 1-10 have it 1-100. That is completely retarded.

Everything is like this little idea designed to make MLG more the forefront of this game and that won't happen.

Player movement speed intervals of 1%?

Also the ranking system isn't Bungie's to decide. That would be MS.

You had like 5 good ideas the rest are just ignorant.

Custom game finders is good
Button assignment instead of button layout
Rank meter
Bots
more medals

Those are the only ones that are even feasible to me

  • 06.11.2009 8:44 AM PDT