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I disagree and I think some of your facts are extremely skewed by your personal opinion.
You know, almost all of the ideas you've provided deal with reverting the game back to Halo CE and Halo 2. But i think that would be an insult to the fans that are paying for a new game.
Why on earth would that be an insult to gamers? Halo:CE was a great game. It was an award winning game. It featured a great story, a rather revolutionary multiplayer and paved the way for the other two games. It was, if you make a comparable difference, more difficult however. The market is becoming more and more casual. Look at Wii sales and note how Microsoft and Sony are developing motion technology. Game studios are out to make money. They want to go with the sure fire safe bet when going to develop a game. Is Halo because of its title a sure fire sell? Yes. Is the DLC for it? No. Keeping casual players playing the game is important in todays gaming climate. You want to reap as much benefit as possible by having a long longevity for your games online. Therefore titles like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 have become more and more casual in their play as both Epic Studios and Bungie have decided to narrow the skill gap between players. It allows those who are only playing the game rather casually, maybe a few times a month, to take down those who play more compulsively, maybe a half hour a day or more. Its a business decision and many would prefer the game to become something more of an older model FPS. FPS games, when they first released with titles like Quake and Half-Life and the original Halo, were much faster paced and more exciting back in the day. Not to say that its lost that entirely, it just has gotten a bit slower. Is it so wrong that their opinion is to throw back to the old days of Faster Paced shooters? No. Its an opinion and Halo fans would still love the gameplay. It hasn't altered very much to be honest and as ODST is demonstrating, Bungie does want to go that route at least somewhat.
I mean, seriously, should they really remake a dozen maps from games that already are on the Xbox 360 and usable on Xbox Live? If they do that, there will literally be millions of fans angry because of the lack for new content. You asked for "More remakes and more original maps"? That makes me think you don't really have any priorities here. You are just asking for everything.
Are you familiar with the cyclical pattern of maps in games? Valve, which I admit I am biased towards as they are an amazing company, has a truly visionary outlook on Multiplayer Maps. With their multiplayer games Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2 they decided "Lets make a small amount of maps with amazing replayability." They concluded that was the best decision after studying how maps are played in games. Gamers tend to gravitate towards a few maps as they prove to be the best for replayability (for years on end) and tend to avoid others. Halo 3 is no exception. I would say that the majority of players are not a fan of Isolation. You yourself may disagree, but in my experience and judging by online polls on this site, it is not a popular map.
Therefore, remakes are a great thing and a poor thing at the same time. Yes, they have been played before and thus may appear boring now. However, they also have lived up to the replayability line. Therefore, instituting them seems logical. However, Bungie has decided to alter the maps and sadly it affects the gameplay on them. Why they made that decision is unknown but there was quite an outcry and lack of appreciation with the map Blackout in particular (Across the board, not just MLG fans).
Another problem I have with your list is that it suggests a game that is based around MLG play. You request that all of the maps from Halo 2 and Halo 3 used for MLG be remade. You asked for weapon revisions that would turn every gun into an MLG gun.
It does not suggest gameplay that revolves around MLG play style completely. Some of those elements would make the game have a higher skill gap, but is that a bad thing? No. You're going to merely wind up playing people of your own skill eventually anyway. If the ranking system is more refined then not everyone will be able to get a 50 (obviously not everyone can now but there seems to be a lot of outcry on this site about 50s who appear illegitimate displaying that the ranking system isnt overly accurate).
Furthermore, you're missing the point on some of the suggestions. The MLG community is suggesting a wider level of playstyle for custom games. While it benefits them, it also benefits everyone. It allows more freedom of choice. In fact, the majority of things on that list are simply there to give the gamer more choice when playing the game. Thats why MLG exists. It may be attempting to make competitive gaming more popular, but it is also trying to give gamers more choice when they go to play their favorite games. It isn't trying to strictly make the game built for MLG. Again I reiterate that Halo:CE was beloved and so was Halo 2. Both games were great so throwing in elements of them into the new game, along with some from Halo 3, seems only natural, not a ploy to attempt to make the game more for MLG play.
Bungie doesn't make the games for the MLG Community. Bungie just makes a great game for the entire community. They provide limitless options for customizing your maps and gametypes. MLG only exists because of this capability.
You already said it yourself. Bungie makes games for the entire community. MLG happens to be part of that community. Your statement is actually extremely rude. Youre not willing to accept them as a part of it. Thats technically discrimination and its also labeling fans of MLG under a stereotype. That is offensive. Not everyone who plays MLG does it because they want to be amazing at the game. Inherently, everyone plays games to enjoy them and have fun. Some people have different views on how one has fun. MLG fans tend to prefer to have a bit more competition between themselves and others. It is simply a choice. You don't have to agree with it and thats the beauty of having different options in the game as you have previously stated.
Technically MLG would still exist even without that capability as they have been around since Halo:CE and used the normal settings back then, but they wouldn't be able to use Halo 3 in their brackets were it not for the near limitless customization they have now. Is it so wrong however that they are suggesting more customization? Hell no. Are you saying you as a gamer don't want games to improve in subsequent versions and include more options and choice as to how to play? We need progress in games. The more choice; the more fun.
You MLG guys really have it backwards. MLG exists because of Halo. Halo does not exist for MLG. In fact, these days (telling the truth, not trying to flame), the MLG playlist has turned into the most ignorant and derogatory playlist in Halo 3. And I am only a level 18 in MLG. I can't imagine what it would be like if I was in the 30's. MLG is also fraught with unsportsmanlike conduct, rank boosters, EXP boosters, and 2nd/3rd/4th/5th accounters.
First off, I have rarely entered a game in any corner of matchmaking where there aren't rude people on xbox live. Hell, you're being quite rude right now with some of your rash comments. I don't mean that as an ad hominem argument, I am merely making the observation to prove a point. There are normal Halo 3 fans who don't play MLG who take the game too seriously. They are extremists. Some of them are posting in here bashing MLG with no regard as to what MLG is. There is MLG the corporation, MLG pro players, and then there are MLG fans. Encompassing them into one group is incorrect and a display of ignorance. The company is giving more choice to gamers. The Pro Players generally act extremely nice. The fans for the most part are nice to and I bet youre experience is tarnished simply by the extremists of the group just as many people's experience with Halo in general is tarnished by Halo extremists(again in general.)
It just goes to show that stereotyping is wrong. Labeling an entire group of people is wrong. That and subsequently flaming them is making you no better than the people youre trying to hurt in the first place. Fans inherently are fanatical about something. There are extremists in every bunch. Have you ever heard the phrase "its always a small group of people who ruin it for everyone else." Thats basically whats going on here. Rabid Halo 3 fans are pitting themselves against Rabid MLG fans and on both sides they are forgetting to look in the mirror and realize there is very little thats different between them. Its intolerance at its best. Oh the irony.
Now, I can't copy the rest due to character limits, but you go on to comment on what MLG has done with the game. They've offered a different style of play for gamers. Hardly a bad thing. Have they subsequently spawned some rude Xbox Live members? Yes. But so has every video game in existence. Its not there fault. Its online anonymity. Thats simply due to sociology and it can't be controlled. MLG isn't the sole cause of rabid fanaticism in the Xbox Live realm. MLG has also provided the community with a number of custom made arena style maps that have some rather unparalleled forging. They are beautiful and a great addition.
MLG players, in conclusion, are still fans. They still deserve a say and all they have placed in here is some input on what they want to see. Will it happen? Not necessarily. Will the majority of things they said be good for everyone? Yes. MLG itself is all about giving gamers choice in a world becoming more about casual gaming.