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  • 06.11.2009 8:51 AM PDT

Bungie totally revolves around MLG? No. Plus, it's WAY too much to ask for.

  • 06.11.2009 8:57 AM PDT
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Halo does already have a spectator mode, but only a team mate lock one for when you die.

I think rather than having changeable weapon varients, you should simply have different weapons,
eg.
Halo 1 magnum, ODST magnum, Halo 3 magnum etc.
Or an optional silencer for guns in level editing.
I think with the customs you should have, like you said, total customization,
So you can make an Infection and CTF game for example.
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  • 06.11.2009 8:57 AM PDT

HALL OF SHAME
Posted by: Incandescence
Don't animals have free will? They are free too make choices as well?

I love how when AR loving BKs see a MLG related forum, they just decide to jump in to make some 9 year old comments.

  • 06.11.2009 8:58 AM PDT

Posted by: FearJ77
I love how when AR loving BKs see a MLG related forum, they just decide to jump in to make some 9 year old comments.


What an ignorant statement.

  • 06.11.2009 8:59 AM PDT
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Its ignorant but hey!
He must be MLG!

  • 06.11.2009 9:01 AM PDT

Posted by: FearJ77
I love how when AR loving BKs see a MLG related forum, they just decide to jump in to make some 9 year old comments.


I love how when MLG loving BKs don't get their way, they decide to jump to conclusions about the people that don't agree with them and make some 9 year old comments.

See. I did it again.

  • 06.11.2009 9:05 AM PDT

I am not interested in joining your group.

MLG is asking WAY too much. Halo 3 is almost the best game I have ever played. I see no reason to fix the melee system (yes it has it's faults, but it's not a perfect game). MLG wants the "perfect game"? Well they're not going to get it. I have no grudge against MLG at all, but if Bungie were to include even some of this (especially the Forge significant updates) would make the price of the game rise.

  • 06.11.2009 9:19 AM PDT

Posted by: turd93
MLG is asking WAY too much. Halo 3 is almost the best game I have ever played. I see no reason to fix the melee system (yes it has it's faults, but it's not a perfect game). MLG wants the "perfect game"? Well they're not going to get it. I have no grudge against MLG at all, but if Bungie were to include even some of this (especially the Forge significant updates) would make the price of the game rise.


A wise man indeed, he is.

  • 06.11.2009 9:23 AM PDT

Posted by: Bluesman
Also, a few of us were talking during matchmaking and Halo: Reach is definitely going to be, not a first person shooter, not a third person shooter, but a second person shooter. Bungie is going to revolutionize the way you watch other people play games.

If you want this much customization, make your own game. Don't sit on the sofa and bark out orders to your wife on exactly how much mayonnaise and leafs of lettuce you want on your sandwich - get up and make your own.

  • 06.11.2009 9:27 AM PDT

MLG as a company is not asking for anything, these are mere suggestions brought up by the MLG community. Not a list of demands by the creator of MLG this isn't a hostile halo takeover they are just suggestions, if you people took 4 seconds to read instead of being ignorant and thickheaded then you would see that not only have alot of these things been previously stated by BNet members but are actually great ideas. Honestly if one of the BNet moderators made a thread labeled "Unofficial Halo: Reach suggestions" and put the same exact list except for the letters MLG you people would be jumping all over it rather than bashing it.

  • 06.11.2009 9:30 AM PDT

Posted by: halomhm214423534
MLG as a company is not asking for anything, these are mere suggestions brought up by the MLG community. Not a list of demands by the creator of MLG this isn't a hostile halo takeover they are just suggestions, if you people took 4 seconds to read instead of being ignorant and thickheaded then you would see that not only have alot of these things been previously stated by BNet members but are actually great ideas. Honestly if one of the BNet moderators made a thread labeled "Unofficial Halo: Reach suggestions" and put the same exact list except for the letters MLG you people would be jumping all over it rather than bashing it.


Wrong.

I and many others will admit that SOME of these ideas are great. But the majority of them are useless and just plain silly. If Shishka or Lukems or any other Bungie employee sugested that some player models couldn't be used in some playlists, I, and many others, would shoot down the idea even though we knew it was useless to argue. And its not about "MLG", its about this guy, and most other Mlg "pros" who come to the Bungie forums and make these kinds of requests. Its not gonna happen! Its useless! They need to learn that their organization is a minority and their say is overshadowed by the say of the Halo community. It is people like the OP and people like you, who tarnish the name of MLG and make it so hated. There are good people in MLG, nice people. My friend and his team are going semi-pre and maybe even pro. They are good people because they don't make "requests" or demand that their way is the only way to play.

My point? Go back to your forums, take a few of these ideas, put them in a new post, and don't complain when someone doesn't agree with your ideas!

  • 06.11.2009 9:44 AM PDT

What did i do to make MLG hated ? People on this forum were harshly attacking the OP and MLG and all i did was attempted to stand up for them. The OP never claimed to be a "pro" he just brought a list of ideas from the MLG forum. The reason I'm getting annoyed is because people on BNet are acting like MLG fans are forcing this stuff upon you and demanding these things, they are not. The first few posts after the op were acting like MLG fans are holding people hostage and trying to make a "Halo: MLG" game when all they were doing was giving fan feedback to the creators.

My point I'm a BNet fan and a MLG fan and i cant stand the two groups not getting along. I am not complaining directly about the people not agreeing with the ideas (i personally do not agree with 100% of them) i am complaining about the people downright attacking the ideas for absolutely no reason . . .

  • 06.11.2009 10:00 AM PDT

It wouldn't be half as bad if the OP would have just put these ideas in with the other "reach ideas" thread.

But no he had to make his own thread and say these are ideas that the "MLG Community" has "Requested" to be in the game.

It wouldn't be as bad if he would have put the word "suggestion" in there.

The word request hints at asking as if Bungie and it's affiliates owes the MLG community anything. Which they don't.

It is all about word choice. It just comes off as arrogant and self important.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 10:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 10:12 AM PDT

Alright, now where actually getting somewhere. I will admit I may have been a bit hard on you. But my problem is with the way the OP brought these ideas to the forums. Requesting. That is not a good word choice. Also I do not like the contradiction in the post and the generalizing in it.

The Generalizing: He repetedly says something like, "Ideas the MLG community has come up with." That gives the immpression that everyone in the MLG community wants these. I realize now that that is not true, but the way it was said was what I personally didn't like. I went to the thread. And I don't believe that this is an accurate representation of all the MLG community. That, along with that stupid word "requested", gave me the feeling that he was demanding these things. Which may not be the case.

The contradicting:

"the MLG community has based these interests so they benefit the MLG community but do not conflict with any interests of the Bungie forums community wants and ideas to prevent the game either "just becoming competitive" or "just being a casual game" so please do not post "i dont like MLG" because that isnt what the discussion is about"

Then he says: "model specific searches (if elites are included they could have the option to keep them out of certain gametypes eg MLG)"

Which, the idea of limiting models is stupid to begin with. That is mainly an MLG... I can't think of a good word.... But it doesn't go along with the freedom of choice, which is part of what keeps the game "casual".

Overal, the failing of this thread boils down to the extremists on each side. The people bashing MLG and the arrogant wannabees. I will admit that I was harsh. But I really agree with what you said about wanting to see the communities get along. If their was a way, I wish that both communities could get together and make another list that represented both sides. But I don't think that will happen.

My advice. reword the post, take out some of the more ridiculous ideas, and post this again. We'll see the same things but it may go over a bit better.


Posted by: halomhm214423534
What did i do to make MLG hated ? People on this forum were harshly attacking the OP and MLG and all i did was attempted to stand up for them. The OP never claimed to be a "pro" he just brought a list of ideas from the MLG forum. The reason I'm getting annoyed is because people on BNet are acting like MLG fans are forcing this stuff upon you and demanding these things, they are not. The first few posts after the op were acting like MLG fans are holding people hostage and trying to make a "Halo: MLG" game when all they were doing was giving fan feedback to the creators.

My point I'm a BNet fan and a MLG fan and i cant stand the two groups not getting along. I am not complaining directly about the people not agreeing with the ideas (i personally do not agree with 100% of them) i am complaining about the people downright attacking the ideas for absolutely no reason . . .



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Posted by: ACTI0N TOM
It wouldn't be half as bad if the OP would have just put these ideas in with the other "reach ideas" thread.

But no he had to make his own thread and say these are ideas that the "MLG Community" has "Requested" to be in the game.

It wouldn't be as bad if he would have put the word "suggestion" in there.

The word request hints at asking as if Bungie and it's affiliates owes the MLG community anything. Which they don't.

It is all about word choice. It just comes off as arrogant and self important.


Exactly

[Edited on 06.11.2009 10:17 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 10:15 AM PDT

My logical commentary in bold and underlined so you can think about how many of these are as bad as people are acting NOT MEANT FOR ARGUMENT JUST FOR A QUICK READ OVER


- an FPS
Kind of obvious


- net coding fixes to reduce bullet dropping significantly
been asked by more than the MLG community


- an upgraded forge to edit existing maps for weapons etc. perhaps forging out of the game engine? this would mean objects would go where you place them perhaps with 90 degree snap tools and wouldnt fall out of the air due to the game physics if you placed them there (no need for forge glitching)
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions


- a mapmaker fully customisable no glitching necessary
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions



- more indepth map testing
Couldnt hurt


- remakes of the classic halo maps such as midship and other fan favourites.
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions



- more origenal designed maps which are arena based
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions



- a balanced weapon set which has been thoroughly tested to make sure each weapon has an individual purpose rather than replicating existing ones.
Couldnt hurt IMO



- theatre mode which allows you to send it to your computer and comes with a montage/machinima maker
Not only MLG fans make montages



- dedicated servers
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions



- full awareness and crackdown on cheating and hacking
Yeah this one is terrible *sarcasm*


- a melee system which takes skill and is entertaining to watch in a fast paced atmosphere
Ehh whatever


- customisation in custom games fully. this means being able to control everything Such as: player movement speed intervals in 1%, to how much the weapons spread within the reticule, as well as respawn times, auto aim/aim assist meter and damage metres per each weapon, rate of fire, recoil, magnetism, reload time, melee reset time, grenade damage, grenade damage radius, grenade throwing distance.. I think that this would be the best feature as it would allow bungie to cater for their general crowd of casual gamers without hurting the competitive market
thats asking for a lot



- customisable sensitivity more refined. instead of 1-10 how about 1-100?
for general comfort, not catered to MLG



- the ability to turn on/off dual weilding for every weapon
Just for customs not asking for a game changing modification



- visible health system
Halo C.E. not MLG


- button assignment to each task rather than a choice of button layouts
Other games do this not MLG catered




- the ability for bungie to bring out updates easily to meet the communities needs and requirements i.e. fixing glitches/hiding spots and bringing out miscellaneous items such as armour perms/new vehicles/weapons
Couldn't hurt



- a new revised ranking system which everybody can agree upon
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions


- a rank meter so you could see how far you are from the next rankup
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions


- country specific searches
So you can talk to your own team

- CLANS
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions


- Custom game finder
- the best quality graphics possible without compromising the lag/gameplay mechanics etc
rather have not laggy games than shiny maps


- model specific searches (if elites are included they could have the option to keep them out of certain gametypes eg MLG)
i could care less


- any starting weapon available in custom games[
u] Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions [/u]


- optional weapon combos for custom games? thic could be kept out of matchmaking for the casual crowd but implemented in if wanted eg a quick reload like GOW?
lol im not positive what hes trying to say here


- less time between animations such as: faster weapon switching, faster zoom to shoot capabilities after thew weapon has been switched, faster shoot after the grenade has been thrown
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions



- adjustable Field of View or just a larger one to begin with
could care less


- Bots?
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions


- halo 1 pistol or a weapon that can be customised so it can have its capabilities but nerfed for social matchmaking
Been asked for by BNet members before on previous occasions

- more ingame rewards such as medals (which have progressively gotten an increase from each game progressiuon)
no need for these but whatever


- the ability to turn on/off game announcements such as gained the lead, tied the leader, lost the lead, ball taken etc
pointless


[Edited on 06.11.2009 10:20 AM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 10:17 AM PDT

I see your point, but still, some of the stuff.... No matter who asks it... Is just not needed.

Example:

less time between animations such as: faster weapon switching, faster zoom to shoot capabilities after thew weapon has been switched, faster shoot after the grenade has been thrown

  • 06.11.2009 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by: FRI R3gret
I see your point, but still, some of the stuff.... No matter who asks it... Is just not needed.

Example:

less time between animations such as: faster weapon switching, faster zoom to shoot capabilities after thew weapon has been switched, faster shoot after the grenade has been thrown

Yeah well if you played halo 2 then you would remember getting a snipe kill and swapping to sword for a double. Halo 3 you get a snipe kill press Y wait eternity whilst getting your face shot off and giving the power weapon to the other team.

  • 06.11.2009 10:22 AM PDT

MLG...lol

:::ERROR.;;;: ACCESS DENIED!!!!

  • 06.11.2009 10:23 AM PDT

Posted by: ACTI0N TOM
It wouldn't be half as bad if the OP would have just put these ideas in with the other "reach ideas" thread.

But no he had to make his own thread and say these are ideas that the "MLG Community" has "Requested" to be in the game.

It wouldn't be as bad if he would have put the word "suggestion" in there.

The word request hints at asking as if Bungie and it's affiliates owes the MLG community anything. Which they don't.

It is all about word choice. It just comes off as arrogant and self important.


OP


now i know that the two communities havent really seen eye to eye for whatever reason but over in the MLG forums we have collaborated a list of wants and ideas that we would like to see implemented into reach :)

now alot of these ideas are a stretch but its just an ideas thread with unlimited scope so dont be too critcal

the MLG community has based these interests so they benefit the MLG community but do not conflict with any interests of the Bungie forums community wants and ideas to prevent the game either "just becoming competitive" or "just being a casual game" so please do not post "i dont like MLG" because that isnt what the discussion is about


Now that probably went unread while people were busy writing their hate rants.


  • 06.11.2009 10:25 AM PDT

Posted by: xD3AD MAN LIVEx
MLG...lol

:::ERROR.;;;: ACCESS DENIED!!!!

How much you want to bet he saw "MLG" and hit the reply button ?

  • 06.11.2009 10:26 AM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

I don't see how any of these ideas are more ridiculous than turning the game into a class based game. Why don't people bash the people who suggest that? Because they're not saying the MLG community generally would like these. These are simply suggestions. Everyone is making suggestions, but it seems like the only ones that are being bashed are the ones that the MLG community supports.

  • 06.11.2009 10:26 AM PDT

No I read it. I was referring to how there was already a thread about a "wish list" that the OP could have posted in.
But he didn't feeling the need for a "MLG ideas" only thread. Further distancing himself and this post from the regular halo community.
Even though he said he didn't want to piss off the halo community he went about it the wrong way.
He even says right there that these ideas are to specifically benefit the MLG community without conflicting with our ideas.

  • 06.11.2009 10:35 AM PDT

Posted by: halomhm214423534
Posted by: FRI R3gret
I see your point, but still, some of the stuff.... No matter who asks it... Is just not needed.

Example:

less time between animations such as: faster weapon switching, faster zoom to shoot capabilities after thew weapon has been switched, faster shoot after the grenade has been thrown

Yeah well if you played halo 2 then you would remember getting a snipe kill and swapping to sword for a double. Halo 3 you get a snipe kill press Y wait eternity whilst getting your face shot off and giving the power weapon to the other team.


I did play Halo 2. And if recall corrctly, the sword gave the wielder the abilty to lunge before the actual sword was out. I can remember playing a friend of mine who wasn't too grand at no scopes but could own me at long range. So I decided to close in on him and fight him at close range. I did and fell over dead when he magically lunged at me half a second after seeing me. I was confused as to what happened. But my questions were answerd when a second later a big purple thing appeared in his hand. Plus, back in the H2 days, you couldn't see the weapon on your opponents side. That made the sword a problem. Get an unsuspecting enemy at close range and they had NO chance. The delay gives them that chance. Use a better example please.

  • 06.11.2009 10:42 AM PDT

Posted by: FRI R3gret
Posted by: halomhm214423534
Posted by: FRI R3gret
I see your point, but still, some of the stuff.... No matter who asks it... Is just not needed.

Example:

less time between animations such as: faster weapon switching, faster zoom to shoot capabilities after thew weapon has been switched, faster shoot after the grenade has been thrown

Yeah well if you played halo 2 then you would remember getting a snipe kill and swapping to sword for a double. Halo 3 you get a snipe kill press Y wait eternity whilst getting your face shot off and giving the power weapon to the other team.


I did play Halo 2. And if recall corrctly, the sword gave the wielder the abilty to lunge before the actual sword was out. I can remember playing a friend of mine who wasn't too grand at no scopes but could own me at long range. So I decided to close in on him and fight him at close range. I did and fell over dead when he magically lunged at me half a second after seeing me. I was confused as to what happened. But my questions were answerd when a second later a big purple thing appeared in his hand. Plus, back in the H2 days, you couldn't see the weapon on your opponents side. That made the sword a problem. Get an unsuspecting enemy at close range and they had NO chance. The delay gives them that chance. Use a better example please.
I wasnt trying to argue with you but once they got 1 kill with it you knew they had it so not really that big of a deal. But some of the animations in halo 3 are ridiculously slow.

  • 06.11.2009 10:48 AM PDT