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Subject: Reach MP - This is what NEEDs to happen

Great post. Agree with everything. Hopefully Bungie keeps this in mind. the game can come close to the greatness of the original's multiplayer if they do. I'll be waiting to see how it turns out.

Weapon sounds haven't been the same since Halo 1. I mean they sounded so powerful.

[Edited on 06.15.2009 4:02 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Chupanebre627
I agree with everything I just read. Not that I'm ordering it to happen, it would just be good. But 2 things:

1. Halo: Reach was always going to be more for the Halo fanatics. It's set even before the first Halo game, which means it will have different gameplay. Notably with the energy shields. Most of the gamers that just bothered to pick up Halo 3 alone will start complaining about how their energy shields recharge too slow. But maybe we won't have evergy shields at all. Mark IV armor, perhaps? Either way, I'll like it.

2. No offence bungie, but when shooting the Assualt Rifle, I would like the feeling that I'm actually shooting bullets with fused metal, not plastic.

Me out.

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On #1) The Mark IV armor was replaced by the Mark V a day before the fall of Reach (no pun intended). So there's a good chance we'll be using the Mark V, and in the beginning of the game they'll refer to it as "the new armor", kind of like The Armory level from Halo 2. We'll probably see Mark IV users, but that's about it.

On #2) I've said this before, and I'll say it again: The Assault rifle from Halo 1 reminds me of a death machine raining hot lead on the battlefield. The Assault Rifle from Halo 3 is a cap gun.

  • 06.15.2009 7:51 PM PDT
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Nice write up and ideas, but I can't say that I agree with everything such as no dual wielding.

  • 06.15.2009 7:58 PM PDT

Posted by: I Sangheili I
Nice write up and ideas, but I can't say that I agree with everything such as no dual wielding.


My issue with dual weilding is that in order to make it balanced, they have to make it essentially worthless.

Look what they did in Halo 3; when you dual wield weapons, they nerf the damage on those weapons so that they are balanced against single-wield weapons. Its a must. Sure, dual-wileds give you some advantages, and they are generally more powerful than their single-wield counterparts, but not by much. A shotgun can still kill dualed maulers easily, and AR can still beat dual SMG's.

Dual wielding ads nothing but an aesthetic difference and forces Bungie to throw out any unique, close range weapons (like the Plasma Rifle).

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Secondary Protocol

Good point.

  • 06.16.2009 9:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Redraven1992
read it especialy the spiker part

No

Posted by: tanx_911
I honestly feel like anyone who disagrees with this is better suited to play a different, easier game. This is how Halo was created and how it should be. 10/10 OP

Go back to 4chan. Oh wait, /v/ would call you a stupid casual.

Posted by: SnakeRunner40
I just figured out what all of you need... a WAAAAAAAHBULANCE!

Yeah, your pentuple post does seem pretty butthurt. Can we get everyone who posted 3+ times in a row banned and their posts deleted, because I'm sure they do it in every freaking thread they post in and it's probably adding a page to the thread already.

Posted by: ExaltedVanguard
Crouch landings would also become a "no-skill" aspect of the game because they'd need to make the window of opportunity much wider for online play. Falling is one of the fastest movements in the game and would therefore be most affected by lag.

Do you even play Halo 2 or 3? Unless you are teleporting, your movement has nothing to do with lag, and if you are teleporting, GTFO.

Posted by: ExaltedVanguard
F) Halo 2/3 had perfect kill speeds. If you couldn't kill someone without them getting to cover, then you shouldn't have engaged them in the first place and/or weren't situationally aware enough yourself.

For those of you keeping track at home, this means you should roughly never start shooting anyone ever unless you just hit them with a grenade. It also probably explains why my teammates are often so useless at team shooting if they think like him.


Before anyone says Carbine again in this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwNnAFc1bs
It has more spread per round than a BR burst. Semi-automatic musket, I swear.


Anyways, yes, and OH GOD ONE THOUSAND TIMES FIX THE FIELD OF VIEW AND PUT THE RETICLE BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. Even ZOMG immersion Call of Duty does it right, despite totally screwing up the camera height.

I find it kind of funny when people -blam!- about being like CoD4 for stuff being like CE when clearly that's working quite well for CoD4, considering WaW and Modern Warfare haven't sold as many copies on 360 combined as Halo 3 and yet alone have had more players many weeks. There are things it does right that Halo 1 did right and Halo 3 doesn't. People don't like hosing a guy down for 5 full seconds to not even get a kill and run out of ammo, for one.

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What needs to happen is the OP needs to get a grip and live in the real world because he thinks just because he says something should happen that it is going to happen. It's a God complex because no one ever told him no when he was growing up. What I see is a big crybaby lipstick wearing wining wussy who just wants his way. Go call the wambulance.

Bungie is going to make the decisions on how the game is made, not you OP. If you don't like the way they have made the game, don't play it, go away. Stop trying voist your will on other people.

Please someone lock this thread

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Other than your suggestion to remove the ability to counter a melee, I completely agree with everything. It's been more and more for the kiddies lately; Halo's big now, and they should be getting bigger. It's time to make this one go for the hardcore gamers.

And if the kiddies can't keep up, they can play ODST.

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I agree with A,B,C, and G. Everything else would ruin the game. Fall Damage? It's gonna be 2010 when this game comes out, meaning that's an obvious no. Im not even gonna get into how wrong all of your other points are lol whats the point.

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Lord Snakie, you cant even keep up with halo 3 multiplayer LMFAO your a colonel grade 3. How do you expect to do well in a MORE hardcore game when you can't play at the top level in ANY playlist in the 'kiddie' game. As far as im concerned, you might as well play ODST on the daily and forget about getting r4ped in Reach. bnet forums are jokes. You're opinion and statements are entirely obselete based on the accusation that you need a MORE HARDCORE game when you don't even know the meaning of hardcore halo. People are over analyzing this game now for real, its not gonna be out for 14 months so just start waiting and quit trolling. Itll be here faster that way i promise.

  • 06.18.2009 8:02 AM PDT

Bungie please dont listen to this idiot. You guys know how to make games all he knows how to do is criticize. If he wants Long Range Single-Shot weapons, a close melee system, less auto aim, fall damage, faster kill speeds and no dual wielding then he should just go play call of duty.

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Posted by: Mooreiuz V
Good things you bring up here OP. But whats your stance on Halo 3's frames per second? Maybe 60 for Reach?
I'd love to see a higher frame rate, but I am sure they are going to revamp the Halo engine to make it look and run better.

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Posted by: Delta 15t
What needs to happen is the OP needs to get a grip and live in the real world because he thinks just because he says something should happen that it is going to happen. It's a God complex because no one ever told him no when he was growing up. What I see is a big crybaby lipstick wearing wining wussy who just wants his way. Go call the wambulance.

Bungie is going to make the decisions on how the game is made, not you OP. If you don't like the way they have made the game, don't play it, go away. Stop trying voist your will on other people.

Please someone lock this thread
Why should this thread be locked? Because he has an opinion you don't agree with? I didn't realize this was the Epic Games forums, where you can be banned for posting your opinion. And he isn't demanding anything, he's stating what he believes should happen with Reach multiplayer. I think you should call the whambulance because you have such a problem with somebody stating opinions that differ with yours.

Posted by: Slartan117
Bungie please dont listen to this idiot. You guys know how to make games all he knows how to do is criticize. If he wants Long Range Single-Shot weapons, a close melee system, less auto aim, fall damage, faster kill speeds and no dual wielding then he should just go play call of duty.
His ideas are very similar to aspects of Halo 1, which I'm sure you've never played.

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To OP: I've followed a lot of your posts on the BR Thread and always found them interesting. I agree with basically all of your points, except for fall damage, from a personal point of view its removal has benefited Halo gameplay. I specifically agree with your points on longer range weapons, I long for a map with good lines of sight that isn't cluttered, coupled with a good mid-long range weapon (which doesn't exist in Halo 3).

Would you like to see a weapon similar to the BR used in the Halo 2 demo? That I think was shown at E3 prior to its release.

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Sorry for possible double post, but this:
Posted by: Lord Snakie
It's been more and more for the kiddies lately; Halo's big now, and they should be getting bigger. It's time to make this one go for the hardcore gamers.

And if the kiddies can't keep up, they can play ODST.

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Posted by: dm8ns
Would you like to see a weapon similar to the BR used in the Halo 2 demo? That I think was shown at E3 prior to its release.
The one that was a 3 shot burst un-scoped, and semi-auto scoped? It seems cool, but I don't know.

  • 06.18.2009 10:39 PM PDT

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Ok, I don't have the time to read all of the posts but the OP made some good points. Fall damage and all that good stuff.

Lest we forget that this game takes place before Halo: CE so there should be fall damage. Mjolnir Mark V armor and all the amenities of Halo: CE (but with better graphics)

Of course, this has more than likely already been brought up. All the text made my head hurt though.

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Posted by: dm8ns
Would you like to see a weapon similar to the BR used in the Halo 2 demo? That I think was shown at E3 prior to its release.
The one that was a 3 shot burst un-scoped, and semi-auto scoped? It seems cool, but I don't know.


This is it As far as I can tell its single shot.

I'm not sure about it just thought I would throw it out there and see what the community thought. Could certainly make for a good spawn weapon.

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i would include the Halo:ce pistol as a Power weapon (like a sniper). So you have a single shot 3- headshot kill weapon. because the weapon would be very powerful i only would put 2 per map and with 2-3minute respawn time.

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Questions

1. How do you customize player speed?

2. What is 'plasma freeze'?

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Posted by: tN Kante
i would include the Halo:ce pistol as a Power weapon (like a sniper). So you have a single shot 3- headshot kill weapon. because the weapon would be very powerful i only would put 2 per map and with 2-3minute respawn time.


no.

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Posted by: Delta 15t
What needs to happen is the OP needs to get a grip and live in the real world because he thinks just because he says something should happen that it is going to happen. It's a God complex because no one ever told him no when he was growing up. What I see is a big crybaby lipstick wearing wining wussy who just wants his way. Go call the wambulance.

Bungie is going to make the decisions on how the game is made, not you OP. If you don't like the way they have made the game, don't play it, go away. Stop trying voist your will on other people.

Please someone lock this thread
Why should this thread be locked? Because he has an opinion you don't agree with? I didn't realize this was the Epic Games forums, where you can be banned for posting your opinion. And he isn't demanding anything, he's stating what he believes should happen with Reach multiplayer. I think you should call the whambulance because you have such a problem with somebody stating opinions that differ with yours.

Posted by: Slartan117
Bungie please dont listen to this idiot. You guys know how to make games all he knows how to do is criticize. If he wants Long Range Single-Shot weapons, a close melee system, less auto aim, fall damage, faster kill speeds and no dual wielding then he should just go play call of duty.
His ideas are very similar to aspects of Halo 1, which I'm sure you've never played.


Let's all go and play Call of Duty yaaayyyy!!!

what cod lacks in features (forge, theatre) it makes up for in the variety and balance within the gameplay

2 years on it's still the most fun game

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Stop being such a jerk to people that don't agree with you.

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make some more stupid weapons like mp44 and golden deagle and barrett 50.cal and Scorpion ACOG

  • 06.19.2009 6:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: trigga trainzz
Lord Snakie, you cant even keep up with halo 3 multiplayer LMFAO your a colonel grade 3. How do you expect to do well in a MORE hardcore game when you can't play at the top level in ANY playlist in the 'kiddie' game. As far as im concerned, you might as well play ODST on the daily and forget about getting r4ped in Reach. bnet forums are jokes. You're opinion and statements are entirely obselete based on the accusation that you need a MORE HARDCORE game when you don't even know the meaning of hardcore halo. People are over analyzing this game now for real, its not gonna be out for 14 months so just start waiting and quit trolling. Itll be here faster that way i promise.


I don't know why your bringing level into this, your not some almighty Halo god yourself. In fact, I was rather unimpressed so I could go and say that you don't know the real meaning. The point is to make the game harder for everyone. The more skilled players will naturally excel and it will take longer for the less skilled ones to adapt, but it won't be a permanent thing, people will still learn new stuff as time goes on in Halo. A game is needed where the skill difference between Halo players is larger, and Halo 3 is not that game.

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Posted by: Sgt Pierce Face
Stop being such a jerk to people that don't agree with you.


How is he being a jerk to people? He hasn't flamed a single person who hasn't thrown insults at him first, and even then he's shown great restraint. Maybe you need to grow up and stop taking offense to words over the internet.

Posted by: TEH taytay
Let's all go and play Call of Duty yaaayyyy!!!

what cod lacks in features (forge, theatre) it makes up for in the variety and balance within the gameplay

2 years on it's still the most fun game


Halo CE is nothing like CoD and what you said is 100% opinion which you backed up with... well more opinion and nothing that could have any semblance of even listing of features of the game that would give it more variety.

Neither CoD4 and WaW haven't even been out for even close to two years. Halo 3 hasn't even been out for two years yet.

  • 06.19.2009 7:14 AM PDT