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Subject: Elites! PLEASE BUNGIE PLEASE!!! please have ELITES in firefight!

I need this cutscene to make sense of it all, otherwise it's just BS.



In a flashback, you are scouting out some Covenant activity, you see Elites marching onto Phantoms reluctantly, and zoom in to see a Brute's sneering face as he watches. As the Elites are getting on the Phantoms, more Brutes are arriving off of them, passing the Elites, perhaps digging them in the sides or shoving them, just to show the shift of power.

Then, to represent the start of the schism, as the Phantoms take off, you see the Prophet of Truth appear on a hologram. He speaks, and the Brute Chieftan listening nods slowly, bringing out a small device. He presses it, and the Elite filled Phantoms detonate, giving us another view on the schism.



I need that cutscene or I will be cryface!

  • 06.11.2009 2:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
In a flashback, you are scouting out some Covenant activity, you see Elites marching onto Phantoms reluctantly, and zoom in to see a Brute's sneering face as he watches. As the Elites are getting on the Phantoms, more Brutes are arriving off of them, passing the Elites, perhaps digging them in the sides or shoving them, just to show the shift of power.

Then, to represent the start of the schism, as the Phantoms take off, you see the Prophet of Truth appear on a hologram. He speaks, and the Brute Chieftan listening nods slowly, bringing out a small device. He presses it, and the Elite filled Phantoms detonate, giving us another view on the schism

Good stuff.

Posted by: SonicJohn
I was watching one of the Inside Xbox videos, and there was a segment where Joe Staten was asked if we'll see the Chief, and his reply was something along the lines of 'Well, I can't tell you anything about that, but there's going to be a lot of surprises in the game.'

By 'a lot of surprises in the game', Joe could have been referring to a million different scenarios.

Speculation on the types of surprises we might see:
1) Bungie employees are dropped off to fight you and your other ODST buddies upon reaching wave 77!

2) ODST's final campaign level does not require you to drive a warthog through a massive array of enemies stood up like bowling pins.

3) New Enemy type: Unicorns! Bungie previously made mention of new enemy types.

:)

[Edited on 06.11.2009 2:28 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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I agree in everyway- but I can explain & understand why you'd have all the new wepons & vehicles in ODST. Note they are actually AT the Human strobghold- where all the newest wepons & armaments probably are first put to use- Master Cheif is almost completley isolated & out of contact w/ the UNSC for almost the entire time in all 3 games- the ONLY reason Master Cheif didn't have the new stuff in Halo2 is probably because they weren't planning to go on another imediate mission to go after the phrophets plus they arrive almost iediatly before they go under attack- at the beggining of Halo3 they had time to recouperate & arm themselves for a new fight. So in ODST where you probably have been long prepared for battle ON Earth they would most definatly give you the BEST & newest gear possible even if they barely worked out the bugs. However I can agree that as far as the story is concerned no BR is pretty retarded though I never like the gun too much myself (I peref Carbines)

  • 06.11.2009 2:19 PM PDT
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One thing we need in firefight is more enemy variety. Brutes, drones, grunts, jackals and hunters. Great. Now how about elites joining them. Elite honor guards and elite councilors in firefight! That would be amazing. The elites had a.i in halo 3 so it should be really easy to put them in firefight.

  • 06.11.2009 2:32 PM PDT

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Elites are taller, have shields, and can dual wield. They don't seem to be compatible for firefight.


who said ODST's cant dual wield? is that just reserved for Spartans and Elites?
no i would be VERY disapointed if i cant dual wield the silenced SMG or SMG/magnum.

u will be disappointed

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Posted by: unknownthreat
One thing we need in firefight is more enemy variety. Brutes, drones, grunts, jackals and hunters. Great. Now how about elites joining them. Elite honor guards and elite councilors in firefight! That would be amazing. The elites had a.i in halo 3 so it should be really easy to put them in firefight.

Elite councilors and honor guards don't go into combat unless there are no more options. Also elites would demolish odsts.

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Posted by: xXxCAPNxCHARxXx
At this period in time it would make perfect sense to have Elites in firefight, because at this point in time Elites and Humans are not friends.

The time that ODST takes place is in between Halo 2 and Halo 3, while chief's away on the ship. At the end of Halo 2, the elites and Marines team up to stop the brutes. They didn't just become allies in Halo 3, they were allies before. Before the time of ODST. Humans would not be fighting them.

  • 06.11.2009 3:36 PM PDT

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Oh, about the Firefight.

Bungie might have said it's not canon, but I don't see much working against it. Afterall you are an ODST on Earth fighting against Brutes, Grunts etc new Covenant. Even in 1 of the interviews the guy said Security Zone is placed near the campaign Bridge segment.

So basically it could be another reality, or even just a different day. Buck and the gang are there instead of fighting somewhere else. It's noncanon to play as the Chief and die.

There's a long way of making "noncanon" into having Elites, Spartans and Samus fight against Brutes, Prophets and Unicorns. Johnson is just a subtle limited bonus.

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Please read the following thread and you will see that what you are asking for is not possible.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33726584

[Edited on 06.12.2009 10:57 AM PDT]

  • 06.12.2009 10:56 AM PDT

They're coming.. to finish what was started. And this time, no of these threads will be left behind...
He has a right to his own opinion...even if its wrong
Spoken like a TRUE middle-schooler, You win todays "Lets put some bleach in his side of the gene pool" Award. In fact your genes would be the worst THING ever to be included in the Halo 3 package. Insult me more if you like, but be intelligent about it. Evolutions has dealt you a bad hand of cards it seems.

or they didn't want to reprogram the eliet ai from halo 3, its a expantion game not a all new title. i agree a mix of the 2 races would be nice, but do you really think on the 5th wave the chieftens would give up there command for a little eliet. they would be wortwort worting away. so give bungie some slack and maybey they will take that into account. the game isn't out and there is still suprizes.

  • 06.12.2009 11:05 AM PDT

elites are allied with UNSC at this point.

  • 06.13.2009 8:20 PM PDT

lol, elites in firefight would be a nice extra. its a gamemode thats not related to the story. so why no elites to fight or play as? Bungie seems to neglect elites. And it makes me sad. :(

  • 06.13.2009 8:56 PM PDT

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I hope they add Elites in Firefight for three reasons:
1: It has nothing to do with the story
2: They're bad-blam!
3: Brutes have been boring and way to easy since Halo 3 came out. Halo 2's Legendary Campain was hard and challenging, but Halo 3's was a "Why did Truth pick you guys? You guys suck. You can't even kill one Spartan or Elite...or Flood (Infection Form...). Why You?..."

Imagine fighting Elites and Brutes, never seen that happen.

But...Elites have recharging sheilds, can dual-wield, and are basically Spartans. So, that would be very tough, but if Firefight is supposed to be team related game mode, why not put them in.

Make sure you put Honor Guards in though, maybe show up with a Brute Cheiftain or something, but they carry pikes that you either can (yey?) or can't (tear?) pick up, so it wouldn't be that tough.

Please Bungie, put them in (espically Honor Guards, because they are BAD-BLAM! looking, not Ascetic or any other kind though)

So, Back to the Main Question, Why Brutes?

In the wake of Regret's shameful retreat from New Mombasa, the Prophet of Truth continued his maneuvering - one eye always on his ultimate goal: his rightful and holy ascension. For Truth, his own personal passage was paramount. His Godhood would not be denied. Everything else was secondary.

And though Truth's duplicitous scheming doesn't come to full fruition until the Elite Honor Guard's failure to protect the Prophet of Regret affords him with the final leverage needed to appoint the Brutes to the lofty position, his plans were never made in haste. They were well laid. When the time came to return his attention to Earth, his expendable regiments needed to be led by Jiralhanae, not Sangheili.

Leaving the Elites to scour Earth in search of a Holy Forerunner relic, and ultimately to uncover the most precious and sacrosanct Forerunner artifact in existence - the very portal that opened upon the Ark itself - would have placed all Truth's aspirations upon the shoulders of a species he had already decided to cast aside, a species splintered by heresy and derision, even amongst their own ranks.

Truth's divisive mandate had been set in motion. The Elites had exhausted their usefulness to him, they would not be allowed to meddle in his affairs any longer, and he would not place his rightful transcendence into the hands of incompetents. His word was law.

So the Prophet of Truth deploys Brutes. And the Brutes were eager to prove that their loyalty and battle prowess had earned them a seat at the side of the Hierarchs, as the honored protectors of the sacred Covenant. Such blind faith and eagerness marked them as near perfect pawns for Truth to sacrifice.

See, Truth didn't want Elites to die, just worked out that way, so basically, Truth, Elites, and Brutes got screwed.

  • 06.13.2009 9:25 PM PDT

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As you said SparklyGIBLETSwa, Bungie seems to neglect elites. It seems like it, otherwise they wouldve made Elite Recon too.

  • 06.13.2009 9:28 PM PDT

Love your enemies...it pisses them off.

ok bud before you start insulting bungie's inconsistencies lets examine yours shall we?


Posted by: DSR Chainz
Sadly yes even with all of this proof that we should (( note below is form a thread I made)) 9-10 Bungie, forgot about there own time line with Franky not there to remind them, and by the time they remembered, they came up with some half ass story, that still does not fit there time line.

So, I've see some thread on this, but none of them go back and look at the Halo time line to make a good case as to why we should. ((Even if we do not.))

But there have been things that Bungie has said that make you re-think this.


BRUTE (Jiralhanae)

Massive and ape-like. Many have been observed speaking human languages. Depending on location and MOS they will be encountered in groups up to eight.

They are fearless, vicious opponents and must not be underestimated. Currently, they fill the command role that Elites occupied previously. Whether or not this is indicative of a power shift within the Covenant is of no consequence to the current operation. ANYTHING that seeks to obstruct the successful completion of your mission is a legitimate target.


One if this is the case Bungie you -blam!- up your own time line. . . Good job.

But lets not dwell on such things, surly Bungie would never mess up that bad.

There's this part

Whether or not this is indicative of a power shift within the Covenant is of no consequence to the current operation. ANYTHING that seeks to obstruct the successful completion of your mission is a legitimate target.


I wonder why they would say that ? If your just fighting the Halo 3 sand box of bad guys, why allude to more, after you said there wouldn't be any.


We realize that the Elites are of a fan-favorite, so it's probably wise to set aside your compassion and steel yourself for what is about to come. There are no Elites to fight in Halo 3: ODST.


In all the tread I've looked in no one has looked up, the real time line Halo 3 ODST, is more like Halo 2 ODST with Halo 3 graphics.

Halo 3 ODST does not take place between Halo 2 and 3 like were lead to believe, unless the end is in Halo 3.

The game begins 6 hours after Halo 2's Level 5 Metropolis.

The next level is the Arbiter, were you become the Arbiter.

This happens all happens on October 20th 2552

Delta Halo happens November 2, 2552

12 days latter.


Its not till November that


A) The Master Chief tracks down and kills the Prophet of Regret on Installation 05.
and
B) High Charity arrives at Installation 05. Witnessing the assassination of the Prophet of Regret, the Prophet of Truth replaces the Honor Guard Elites with Brutes. Insulted, the Elite Councilors threaten to resign from the High Council.
C) The Arbiter and Tartarus are sent to retrieve The Index. The Arbiter successfully takes the Index, but Tartarus tries to kill him and takes the Index from him, as he was secretly ordered to do so by the Prophet of Truth.
D)Most of the Elite Councilors are taken to the surface of Installation 05 where they are murdered by the Brutes.
E) Tartarus declares war on the Elites, and the Battle of High Charity begins. Fighting between Elite and Brute forces breaks out all over High Charity. As word spreads, fighting takes place throughout the Fleet, as Elite and Brute controlled ships attack one another.


Now ODST is set on the 20th of October, during the events of Halo 2, in the First Battle of Earth at Mombasa.

12 days before the Great Schism the Covenant civil war.

And even though the game takes place during the events of Halo 2 First Battle of Earth and Battle of Installation 05; all of the character, weapon, and vehicle models were taken from Halo 3, creating an inconsistency within the canon already, sure we like the stuff, but some consistency would be nice, right?

The Brute's have armor, Spike Grenade, Flame Grenade. And we have Mongoose, and Spartan laser, Oh and lose the BR ? ? ? WTF BBQ?

So, in all logic we should be fighting Elites, there fun they were our first, and they go wort wort wort when we kill them, why would Bungie rob us of this as an ODST?

Now what Bungie could be doing, that hole blatantly lying to us that they do.
And when we all kill our first Elite, were filled with joy and say. . . " OH Bungie, I see what you did there."

I mean they said Halo 3 was there last Halo game, look what we have 2 more. Bungie is good a misleading us.

And for you people that say, "OH but its built on Halo 3 and the Elites are our friends the programming can't be changed. . . ."

WHAT? Cant be changed. . . SO your gonna tell me they can take rockets off my Hornet but they cant change an elite? Or Your gonna tell me that they have built a new program for Reach because 100% your gonna kill Elites in Reach

So ether there lying or they don't know there own time line, and by the time they remembered it it was "Oh well -blam!- to late."





ok bud before you start insulting bungie's inconsistencies lets examine yours shall we?
1) Halo 3 starts almost immediately after the events of Halo 2 meaning regardless the brutes got their armor and all rather quickly anyways, plus that was more of a result of improved graphical ability in halo 3 they couldn't do it in halo 2 plus they wanted to make brutes cooler, so really ur takin it waaaay too seriously.
2) as for your character, vehicle, weapon models bull -blam!- that doesn't even matter once again all that has to do with improved and expanded abilities.
3) also the great schism may have happened later but the prophets had already transferred their trust to the brutes discreetly waaaay before, putting them in charge you don't seriously think the elites had full control until the actual civil war began do you?
4)All the damn weapons always exist, ok? deal with it the covenant does not develop spike grenades and flame grenades in a matter of weeks ok? it was all for gameplay don't look at it as a single flowing movie look at it as a story presented in games, and as the games evolve certain things are pushed into the story.

ok id also like to point out how whiny this is, yes i want elites too, but dont go bull-blam!- us to the floor. ooh sure we like the stuff but a little consistency would be nice right? USE YOUR HEAD IT IS CONSISTENT!!! sure we use halo 3 weapons but thats cuz they were invented waay before just we didn't get to use em before halo 3 (in terms of story).
now stop insulting bungie the ones who invented the very timeline you claim to know so well, cuz they know more than you do, and it aint a half ass story do you even really know it? whats the matter with lookin at this time with a different perspective, in a suitable place that DOES fit into the timeline.

  • 06.13.2009 9:37 PM PDT

Yeah Bungie doesn't seem to like Elites all that much, I love them, and I want to kill them because they can actually be a challenge, the Elites in H:CE were actually difficult, and you would need to use everything you had to take down a red or yellow one. Brutes in H2 and H3 are just pathetically easy, in H2 they rushed to much, easy kills, in H3 they are too defensive, making them also easy to kill.

  • 06.13.2009 9:38 PM PDT

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