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Subject: Pistol and So Forth
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I hear the pistol in Halo 2 will either not be there or be weakened dramatically making way for new weapons. Why would they wish to change the pistol and add in another weapon, the battle rifle, that will be just as overpowering? In my opinion the pistol was balanced well in Halo: Combat Evolved, it fit well into an arsenal. Sure it was the primary weapon of choice but you spaned with it, people had to learn to master it. The Rocket Launcher, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and even Plasma Rifle can all be used for quicker and more effective kills than the pistol but I don't see Bungie to rush to change any of these, I simply see them trying to change the one weapon that requires the most skill outside of the sniper rifle. It seems to me that with all the additions of larger maps and more vehicles as well that Bungie is trying to make Halo more user friendly. Sure all of this might be nice for campaign but the longevity of the game isn't in campaign, it's in Multiplayer and removing the pistols and making maps rely more on overpowered weapons, such as the fuel rod gun, and vehicles is down right stupid. If there is two weapons that should remain from Halo: Combat Evolved and not be altered it's the Sniper Rifle and the Pistol. The two weapons that required the most skill, that we did the most practice with, and the ones who seperated the best from just the average. I know a lot of people will disagree with this, saying the pistol was overpowered and if thats your opinion it's simply because you played someone and got it handed to you when you had the Rocket or any other overpowered weapon and they took you down with a pistol, this doesn't mean it's too powerful it simply means you blow balls. I've saw so many post saying the pistol should be like the pistol from this game, and the pistol from that game.. NO.. it should be like the pistol from Halo. Anyone who believes it should be changed and weakened is simply someone who is looking forward to overpowered weapons in Halo 2 and can't wait to get involved in the really 'skillfull' hog and banshee wars, in other words... you're a noob and you're a disgrace to the game.

So Bungie, don't change the pistol just to make it a backup weapon, if anything make another weapon equally as strong that requires skill, unlike the way over powered Fuel Rod Gun and the overpowered Rocket Launcher. There is no reason it should be a backup weapon simply because it is on other games, Halo is supposed to be beyond stereotypes and by changing the pistol is simply removing much of the skill the great players of Halo: Combat Evolved had and will simply make those players go back to Halo: Combat Evolved even though it doesn't have the flashiness of dual wielding or the AWESOME ABILITY to drive BANSHEES!!! (sarcasm) So I pretty much hope they don't change the pistol, they should leave it as be...

  • 07.17.2004 1:36 PM PDT
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I think its the other way around, you think the pistol isnt overpowered because YOU blow with it, while many other people can kill anyone from close to medium range in 4 seconds or less. I think the pistol is too powerful.... but i love it. However, i think its power is just about right for its technical discirption, i mean the thing is bigger than a desert eagle, and it has explosive bullets.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 1:51:56 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 1:47 PM PDT
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That was the most idiotic response I have ever heard, yes people can kill someone in 4 seconds or less because they have skill with it. Tell me this there captain obvious, how long does it take you to kill someone with a Rocket Launcher? Less than 4 seconds? Wait wait.. what about the Sniper Rifle.. ahh.. less than 4 seconds. Hold on.. the shotgun, ah yes.. less than 4 seconds. The plasma rifle.. right at 4 seconds. The only problem is the pistol is the only one out of these that require skill. The pistol is the answer to the RL.. if someone is coming at you with a RL do you take them out with your AR? Well if its you I am sure I could but still.. the pistol is there to let you be able to overtake more powerful weapons, so no it's not overpowered cause its just capable of doing anything another weapon is capable do it, it's just more abundant in use cause people spawn with it. Don't get in an intellectual argument with me, you will lose.

  • 07.17.2004 1:52 PM PDT
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I do like the pistol in Halo.. Its not really a skillful gun...the cross hair is massive for a pistol and in 3-5 shots it takes them down. The only thing skillfull about this pistol would be if your point blank facing someone with a shotty...other than that its all about shooting in the head with a large cross hair. I really do like the pistol its a good gun but I think they should minimize the cross hair or take out the scope. If anything decrease the amount of ammo or make it have some amazing recoil.

  • 07.17.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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a pistol kills in three shots min. a shotgun sadly you need about five a RL and SR are meant to be strong like that but they have low ammo capacity and is rarely seen so it balances out its not only how fast you kill with them but all how much its Strengths and weaknesses even out

  • 07.17.2004 1:55 PM PDT
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You're looking at the pistol as if it's not in Halo but another game, you're all still comparing it to other FPS games. The pistol was no more overpowered than half of the other weapons in the first Halo. The best players in the world were the best cause they could score three headshots right off, what is wrong with that? Unless you're a noob and can't handle the pressure or avoid being shot, if so don't even bother responding to this cause your opinion means absolutely nothing.

  • 07.17.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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Dude its not a skillfull gun you aim at the head and fire 3 times... The Rocket launcher takes time to get there..the sniper rifle has low ammo which makes you have no room to miss..The Pistol has more than enough ammo. Anyone can pick up the pistol and own. Its more about who shoots first.

  • 07.17.2004 1:58 PM PDT
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I am only comparing the pistol to the other weapons.

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Oh My God you people are so incapable of making any sense. Number one I am talking about in Multiplayer, not campaign. A pistol can kill in one or two shots if the person is halfway dead, if you have any ability with a shotgun you can easily kill someone in one or two shots. The sniper and rocket are rarely seen? They are used in every single multiplayer game I've ever played. If it takes you five shotgun shots to kill someone you really need to sit down and practice my friend. Yes the rocket and sniper aren't as abundant as the pistol but compare this. The rocket launcher comes with 4 shots to begin with, the pistol has clips of 12 shots a round. Most of the time with the pistol it takes 5 shots to kill due to misses, which averages out to about 2 kills a clip, and this is ONLY if you're good with the weapon.. the rocket launcher on the other hand which requires nothing more than aiming and shooting also has 2 kills a clip and very easy kills, the sniper rifle is capable of 4 kills a clip. The shotgun is capable of like 10 kills a clip so don't tell me the pistol is too abundant cause that is simple stupid. If the scope is removed that's fine, I don't use it anyways.. but considering Bungie plans on making maps the size of planet earth it needs something to that accord. But don't take out the three shot kills simply because some noobs can't handle it.

  • 07.17.2004 2:00 PM PDT
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Ok explain this, when they talk about the best players at the tournaments having the best 'pistol skill' and 'sniping skill'. I don't hear them say man, he has awesome Rocket Launcher and Warthog skills, do you? Your definition of skill is that of a noob who believes it takes more ability to use a rocket launcher than a pistol, I mean seriously... do you honestly believe that?

  • 07.17.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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Every noob can handle the pistol
You can dodge a rocket launcher by going left or right!
The sniper is a loud gun and unless you get hit in the head first then the people will run for there dear life.
The pistol is uber at all ranges which is lame. Its an unbalanced gun becuase you can fire 3 shots before someone with a shotgun can kill you with 2. You can take out 4 people with 1 clip. If anyone misses with the pistol they must be bad at the game. It needs drawbacks. It needs to be a gun that is good but not the best

  • 07.17.2004 2:06 PM PDT
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I really don't understand why people have problems with sertain weapons! I don't have problem with any weapons at all. I just use what I like and what feels right. Sniper rifle, RL, AR and frag nades. I do use the pistol but it's not very often. I really don't see the problem...

  • 07.17.2004 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
Oh My God you people are so incapable of making any sense. Number one I am talking about in Multiplayer, not campaign. A pistol can kill in one or two shots if the person is halfway dead, if you have any ability with a shotgun you can easily kill someone in one or two shots. The sniper and rocket are rarely seen? They are used in every single multiplayer game I've ever played. If it takes you five shotgun shots to kill someone you really need to sit down and practice my friend. Yes the rocket and sniper aren't as abundant as the pistol but compare this. The rocket launcher comes with 4 shots to begin with, the pistol has clips of 12 shots a round. Most of the time with the pistol it takes 5 shots to kill due to misses, which averages out to about 2 kills a clip, and this is ONLY if you're good with the weapon.. the rocket launcher on the other hand which requires nothing more than aiming and shooting also has 2 kills a clip and very easy kills, the sniper rifle is capable of 4 kills a clip. The shotgun is capable of like 10 kills a clip so don't tell me the pistol is too abundant cause that is simple stupid. If the scope is removed that's fine, I don't use it anyways.. but considering Bungie plans on making maps the size of planet earth it needs something to that accord. But don't take out the three shot kills simply because some noobs can't handle it.

1. A pistol needs atleast two shots to take a away sheilds plus one to the hed or three to the body.
2. Shotgun is only good for two shot kills if you are really close one to take off sheild another one to kill.
3. SR and RL are normally in hard to reach places cept on BG and SW that is what i meant as rarely seen.
4. RL have slow moving rockets based on wht you said you would have to be medium to close range with it.
5. 10 kills a clip lear math it only holds 12 shots unless you are omehow getting one hit kills with it.
6. I hope this makes sense for you
7. Don't flame

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1: I said if the person was half dead, due to a frag grenade, the pistol usually requires a minimum of 3 shots.

2: The shotgun is a one shot kill at close range if you are very close, and if you are kinda close it's still a one shot kill with shotgun melee, the oldest trick in Halo.

3: The SR and RL are in hard to reach places? Are you kidding me? There in hard to reach places for someone who has no intelligence whatsoever, the sniper rifle is usually easier to get to than a plasma rifle. You just have no knowledge of the maps other than BG and Sidewinder.

4: Ok.. The rocket launcher is a medium range weapon, you don't have to be medium range.. I can kill you from cross map very easily. I am talking about these weapons on small to medium maps, not BG and Sidewinder, or as the world calls them... the 'noob' maps. You can easily kill an entire team with an RL on pretty much any map, unlike having to fire off clips and clips of the pistol in order to score these kills.

5: The shotgun is an easy one shot kill if you get close, therefor you should be able to get anywhere from 7-10 kills a clip with this gun. You shouldn't be using it for medium range thats where you use the pistol or.. well what other weapon is there other than the RL and plasma? That's Bungie's fault, not the players.

6: You made sense, but not enough to matter.

7: You didn't get flamed, you got burned cause you was wrong on all accounts. :)

  • 07.17.2004 2:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
Ok explain this, when they talk about the best players at the tournaments having the best 'pistol skill' and 'sniping skill'. I don't hear them say man, he has awesome Rocket Launcher and Warthog skills, do you? Your definition of skill is that of a noob who believes it takes more ability to use a rocket launcher than a pistol, I mean seriously... do you honestly believe that?


Pistol skill? Wait wait they should say who fires first or who gets all the headshots. You dont see people using the rocket launcher like they do the pistol why you may ask? The pistol drops you in 3 shots you cant dodge the shots...The rocket launcher has to get there. The pistol is one abused gun. The pistol has no counter part except for the sniper rifle at long range.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 2:17:06 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 2:16 PM PDT
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You can also dodge a pistol, have you never played with someone who strafes? It is a lot easier to dodge a pistol shot than a rocket flying at your feet shot from a short distance away. A sniper rifle, why would you miss? Time it.. it's the most powerful weapon on the game and it should be, a person who is skilled with a pistol and sniper can overtake anyone, but more so cause of the sniper. A shotgun is a close range weapon, you shouldn't be using it at mid range because it isn't made for that, if you are close you can kill in one shot easily. If anyone misses w/ith the pistol it's cause they are playing someone who knows how to play, do you not play against ppl that move or strafe or something? You complain about the pistol being good at medium range, but complain that the shotgun is easy? You simply make yourself look retarded with your comments, think before you type and bare us all your stupidity.

  • 07.17.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
That was the most idiotic response I have ever heard, yes people can kill someone in 4 seconds or less because they have skill with it. Tell me this there captain obvious, how long does it take you to kill someone with a Rocket Launcher? Less than 4 seconds? Wait wait.. what about the Sniper Rifle.. ahh.. less than 4 seconds. Hold on.. the shotgun, ah yes.. less than 4 seconds. The plasma rifle.. right at 4 seconds. The only problem is the pistol is the only one out of these that require skill. The pistol is the answer to the RL.. if someone is coming at you with a RL do you take them out with your AR? Well if its you I am sure I could but still.. the pistol is there to let you be able to overtake more powerful weapons, so no it's not overpowered cause its just capable of doing anything another weapon is capable do it, it's just more abundant in use cause people spawn with it. Don't get in an intellectual argument with me, you will lose.


People who flame others because they don't share the dsame opinion are idiots by defintion. The pistol is overpowered compared to everything else. Everyone knows this. If everyone sais one thing and you are the only one who doesn't agree then guess what.

  • 07.17.2004 2:19 PM PDT
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So you believe you could use a pistol and beat me and me having a rocket launcher, at the same range? Number one, you probably couldn't hit me, and number two you'd be dead before you got off your third shot. It's not who gets off the first shot, it's not easy to score head shots when you are playing against good competetion. It's used more than any other weapon cause Bungie made it the default starting weapon in generic, for every single map. If it's true it's more powerful than an RL or a Sniper, then why didn't they start you with the RL and put the pistol in a more difficult to reach place? The pistol is simply better because people found out how to use it and own with it... just like they will a weapon on Halo 2.. so why make everyone just have to master another one, cause there WILL be another one.

  • 07.17.2004 2:21 PM PDT
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No guessing to it, I'm right and you're wrong. Anyone who believes the pistol is too powerful is because they can't handle the raping someone who is better than them gives them with it. Argue all you want, any good player out there agrees. I figure you are the same ones so involved in the vehicle post all over this board who can't wait to see them there forerunners! WEEHEEE!!

  • 07.17.2004 2:23 PM PDT
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The pistol is not "more powerful" than other weapons it is simply more flexible. And yes, unless you get close to me with the rocket launcher I would wax you with the pistol. It hass great range, quick firing and only takes 3 shots to kill. The RL is great close up or when someone doesn't see it coming. I can jump and dodge a rocket from distance all day. (edit) Sorry this is my last post with you because it's a waste of time to argue with someone who lacks the ability to understand anything besides their narrow view.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 2:26:23 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 2:25 PM PDT
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Your stupid the shotgun is supposed to be extremly strong at close range. EVEN if your are strafeing Its not hard to hit someone with the pistol. Your crosshair turns red.
You have never seen me play and if you think you could touch me then your wrong. People like you get owned at tournements becuase you think your something else. You have made a stupid claim on a stacked weapon. You say we look like fools? You have no clue what your talking about. The pistol kills anyone in 3-5 shots you cant miss with the gun the crosshair is massive.You dont know what your talking about if you think the pistol should stay the same. I bet anyone who knew how to use the pistol could drop you even if you had the rocket launcher.


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  • 07.17.2004 2:28 PM PDT
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Answer this all of you, if you are so good and skilled with this gun then why do you want it changed? To make it more fair for you foes? I don't think so..

  • 07.17.2004 2:30 PM PDT
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Also if you are saying you always shoot when the crosshairs are red then you have to suck cause anyone knows the key to a pistol is leading, not shooting when red.. you're really sad arguing when you know nothing.

  • 07.17.2004 2:32 PM PDT
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Shut up. Everyone wants to see it changed becuase its abused. You cant say its not either its the most used gun in all of Halo why? its cheap. Its strong at all ranges it has no flaws. The main reason is becuase ANYONE can use it. No skill required.

  • 07.17.2004 2:33 PM PDT
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honestly when your in a long range battle your using the ar and the other guy is using a pistol Pistols arent supposed to be better then a AR i find it rediculous.

  • 07.17.2004 2:35 PM PDT