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Subject: Pistol and So Forth
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Posted by: Raidenoo9
If you take a long hard thought about this you will see that the pistol is the most used weapon in the multiplayer world of halo, if you are using XBC or you are having a LAN party. It just gets annoying I am a guy that likes to try new things and using the pistol constantly has made halo somtimes a painfull expeirience for me. I dont think Bungie made other weapons in halo like the plasma rifle or the plasma pistol or the AR for them to just not be used in MP. I want something new I want people to be able to choose a weapon, any weapon and be able to do some serious damage. Everyone has prefrences I dont want everyone to be forced to use one weapon to do really good in Halo 2.


No one is forced to use one weapon, you can choose any of the weapons you want.

Also, if you dont want people to use the pistol and want to see people using a variety of weapons, well, you should probably look to play another game. People like the pistol for its attributes. Its a decent short and long range weapon, it has x2 zoom capabilities, has a good ROF, and a fair size magazine. You can't just ask or tell people not to use the pistol. If they want to use it, let them.

  • 07.17.2004 4:23 PM PDT
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thank you for your cooperation

  • 07.17.2004 4:23 PM PDT
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well stated yet again boot

  • 07.17.2004 4:25 PM PDT
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some things suck about threads because pple run out of ideas so no 1 writes in the same post when there is no more ideas and when this happens when you try 2 change the topic pple say dont get off topic thats my oppinion i dunno about other pple so yeah

  • 07.17.2004 4:33 PM PDT
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if you think about it, it's really not fair that someone who learns to master the pistol can own anyone whose mastered a different weapon at the same level. it makes it so that it's necessary to build up skill with a certain weapon to stay even remotely competitive, and you have to be markedly better than a person with a pistol to beat him/her with another weapon. it shouldn't be that way. For example, if bob and jim are equally masters of their own weapons, bob's being the plasma rifle and jims being the pistol, jim should be able to beat bob most of the time, unless he loves the room and bob gets close enough. now, it is of course necesary to switch weapons sometime, but if you're good at the pistol, you don't have to. if you have the skill, you don't need any skill beyond that weapon, cause you'll never really need another one. and you should need to utilize different weapons in order to consistently be on top, but with a pistol, you don't.

  • 07.17.2004 4:38 PM PDT
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halo= choice

  • 07.17.2004 4:41 PM PDT
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i happen to disagree. oh, yeah, and ewveryone kicks my ass when i have the pistol or they do[/sarcasm]

you obviously havnt played with the pistol enough, or the other weapons, if you havnt realized what skill in halo is. being able to aim is skill if you think aiming is hard. if you havnt noticed, its not. being able to croutch enemy melee attacks, time the perfect range on shotguns to eat them with asaault rifles, jump to hit celings in the middle of a fight to do the extra powerful air melee, and make that last one a doubble air melee attack on the opponent, attatch plasma greanades, get kills with the needler, beat ewveryone else with the plasma pistol...blah blah blah. you are not good at halo. the pistol requires no skill. i stopped using it so i wouldnt win by 20 kills...thats the last time i played hangemhigh, against the best 6 halo players at college. and they were good.

ps-sniper rifle is changed, you have to rescope after each shot-now requires more skill. the pistol is the battle rifle, worse long range, better melee and reload. for more skilled fights. and the AR shoots at a higher ROF, because it took to much skill in halo 1. and you have more shields now, so that makes the Plasma Pistol better, though it still takes the same to kill someone, so same amount of skill.

and banshees...now have no FRG, cant crash aimlessly, oh, and have four modes of speed and mobility. 4 SPEEDS. those will be some skillful dogfights. especially since they cant hurt anything...

once again, you suck at halo, dont act like you opinion is almighty. get good and then try preaching. you wont annoy me so much...

  • 07.17.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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wow you typed alot kazoo

  • 07.17.2004 4:47 PM PDT
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Stop flaming people who have an opinion on the pistol, I dont wanna flame you but it's damn annoying if your only responses to others' opinions is "You just suck, I'm right and am uber better at anything than you cause you're wrong" Guess what, the world dont work like that. It's a damn game and if someone thinks the pistol is overpowered then so be it, Bungie is gonna do what they want in H2 regardless of anyone's whinings or complaints.

  • 07.17.2004 4:54 PM PDT
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dude your avatar bounces. o ya pistols cool to.

  • 07.17.2004 4:57 PM PDT
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ok but some pple just arent good with one gun its just that some pple just use a pistol when they dont wont competion when they just want to kill something me its different i just use the pistol whenever or when im facing my ok newb cousin

  • 07.17.2004 11:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
I hear the pistol in Halo 2 will either not be there or be weakened dramatically making way for new weapons. Why would they wish to change the pistol and add in another weapon, the battle rifle, that will be just as overpowering? In my opinion the pistol was balanced well in Halo: Combat Evolved, it fit well into an arsenal. Sure it was the primary weapon of choice but you spaned with it, people had to learn to master it. The Rocket Launcher, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and even Plasma Rifle can all be used for quicker and more effective kills than the pistol but I don't see Bungie to rush to change any of these, I simply see them trying to change the one weapon that requires the most skill outside of the sniper rifle. It seems to me that with all the additions of larger maps and more vehicles as well that Bungie is trying to make Halo more user friendly. Sure all of this might be nice for campaign but the longevity of the game isn't in campaign, it's in Multiplayer and removing the pistols and making maps rely more on overpowered weapons, such as the fuel rod gun, and vehicles is down right stupid. If there is two weapons that should remain from Halo: Combat Evolved and not be altered it's the Sniper Rifle and the Pistol. The two weapons that required the most skill, that we did the most practice with, and the ones who seperated the best from just the average. I know a lot of people will disagree with this, saying the pistol was overpowered and if thats your opinion it's simply because you played someone and got it handed to you when you had the Rocket or any other overpowered weapon and they took you down with a pistol, this doesn't mean it's too powerful it simply means you blow balls. I've saw so many post saying the pistol should be like the pistol from this game, and the pistol from that game.. NO.. it should be like the pistol from Halo. Anyone who believes it should be changed and weakened is simply someone who is looking forward to overpowered weapons in Halo 2 and can't wait to get involved in the really 'skillfull' hog and banshee wars, in other words... you're a noob and you're a disgrace to the game.

So Bungie, don't change the pistol just to make it a backup weapon, if anything make another weapon equally as strong that requires skill, unlike the way over powered Fuel Rod Gun and the overpowered Rocket Launcher. There is no reason it should be a backup weapon simply because it is on other games, Halo is supposed to be beyond stereotypes and by changing the pistol is simply removing much of the skill the great players of Halo: Combat Evolved had and will simply make those players go back to Halo: Combat Evolved even though it doesn't have the flashiness of dual wielding or the AWESOME ABILITY to drive BANSHEES!!! (sarcasm) So I pretty much hope they don't change the pistol, they should leave it as be...

u r the bomb man! i couldn't agree with u more

  • 07.17.2004 11:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
I hear the pistol in Halo 2 will either not be there or be weakened dramatically making way for new weapons. Why would they wish to change the pistol and add in another weapon, the battle rifle, that will be just as overpowering? In my opinion the pistol was balanced well in Halo: Combat Evolved, it fit well into an arsenal. Sure it was the primary weapon of choice but you spaned with it, people had to learn to master it. The Rocket Launcher, Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, and even Plasma Rifle can all be used for quicker and more effective kills than the pistol but I don't see Bungie to rush to change any of these, I simply see them trying to change the one weapon that requires the most skill outside of the sniper rifle. It seems to me that with all the additions of larger maps and more vehicles as well that Bungie is trying to make Halo more user friendly. Sure all of this might be nice for campaign but the longevity of the game isn't in campaign, it's in Multiplayer and removing the pistols and making maps rely more on overpowered weapons, such as the fuel rod gun, and vehicles is down right stupid. If there is two weapons that should remain from Halo: Combat Evolved and not be altered it's the Sniper Rifle and the Pistol. The two weapons that required the most skill, that we did the most practice with, and the ones who seperated the best from just the average. I know a lot of people will disagree with this, saying the pistol was overpowered and if thats your opinion it's simply because you played someone and got it handed to you when you had the Rocket or any other overpowered weapon and they took you down with a pistol, this doesn't mean it's too powerful it simply means you blow balls. I've saw so many post saying the pistol should be like the pistol from this game, and the pistol from that game.. NO.. it should be like the pistol from Halo. Anyone who believes it should be changed and weakened is simply someone who is looking forward to overpowered weapons in Halo 2 and can't wait to get involved in the really 'skillfull' hog and banshee wars, in other words... you're a noob and you're a disgrace to the game.

So Bungie, don't change the pistol just to make it a backup weapon, if anything make another weapon equally as strong that requires skill, unlike the way over powered Fuel Rod Gun and the overpowered Rocket Launcher. There is no reason it should be a backup weapon simply because it is on other games, Halo is supposed to be beyond stereotypes and by changing the pistol is simply removing much of the skill the great players of Halo: Combat Evolved had and will simply make those players go back to Halo: Combat Evolved even though it doesn't have the flashiness of dual wielding or the AWESOME ABILITY to drive BANSHEES!!! (sarcasm) So I pretty much hope they don't change the pistol, they should leave it as be...



I absolutely agree on every point in that post! The people who -blam!- about the pistol are conveniently the same people who can't hit the broad side of a barn with it.

If you people think the pistol is too powerfull, here's an idea- don't use it!
Simple solution for a simple problem.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 11:19:14 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 11:18 PM PDT
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Heyy wanna know whats sooo funny?? even though you like the pistol soo much YOU wont be using it either...aww too bad huh. And yah the pistol IS too powerfull and I am overjoyed the thing is removed from H2. SO hahahahahahahahahaha. there now that thats out of the way stop speculating,flaming, and talking about an outdated pistol NOT going to be in H2. if you wanna talk about the pistol talk about it OUTSIDE of new mombasa, considering its NOT in H2 talking about it doesent belong here.

  • 07.17.2004 11:30 PM PDT
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None of that BS has been confirmed, and you know that as well as I do.

Besides, I'm sure I could still find a way to wip your ass six ways from sunday- also in a way that you're not comfortable with.

Then I'll corpse-hump you.

:-) Have a nice day.

[Edited on 7/17/2004 11:34:19 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 11:32 PM PDT
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Then, I'll spawn camp you with a sniper rifle (among other perfectly legit tactics that I'm almost certain you refer to as "cheating").

  • 07.17.2004 11:35 PM PDT
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I'm back, sorry I bored you with my absence. :) But this topic was put up here for arguments, I knew there would be some who agreed, some who disagreed. My post was wrote not on just my opinion but on opinions of several people I play with both in real life, on XBC, and I've talked to at tournaments. The Ogres was qouted to have said that it would be a disgrance for Bungie to remove the pistol, and a mistake. HP-Darkman shared that same sentiment, so this opinion belongs to the most talented players in the world who have mastered every other weapon available on Halo. I love the pistol for it's range and flexibility but the fact of the matter is I use other weapons just as much if they are available to me. On Chill Out owning the rocket launcher or the shotgun is key, as for many small maps. Many maps are designed for close range weapons, some for midrange, and some for long range. Just because the pistol is designed for medium range and also is good at longe range isn't a fault.

I want all of you who flamed my post to consider this, there is many short range weapons, ranging from the shotgun, the assault rifle, and plasma rifle. At medium range you have the pistol, the rocket launcher, and the plasma rifle/pistol. At long range there is only the sniper rifle and the pistol, if the pistol did not exist you could not fight someone far off unless you could find a sniper rifle. I don't believe any of us who are coming out of one portal on the much much too used Blood Gulch would want to have to have a sniper rifle in order to even fight someone at the other portal or nearing the powerups, that is absurd. I honestly believe the ones who claim the pistol is overpowered are players who lack skill with the weapon and do not realize the problems that will occur if is removed.... if the pistol did not exist in Halo: Combat Evolved then there would be a lot of players who did not play very long. It takes care of many things but no it's not overpowering in the fact any other weapon that is mastered can overtake the pistol at ANY range other than mid range, where it is supposed to be dominate.

Noone complains the sniper rifle kills in one shot from long range, and nobody complains the shotgun kills in one shot at close range.. but yet we complain the pistol kills in three shots at midrange? That in itself is absurd. Also to the guy posting post after post about killing 7 players with one clip, if you're not using shields then you're not playing with skill so don't brag about that. You may have great skill with the pistol but don't make illiterate post without thinking just to get flamed over. Just some advice.

This post wasn't to cause controversy, nor was it to down Bungie and the great work they have done, is was to voice opinions from players who are at every level of Halo. From the noob who thrives on vehicles and running straight ahead with his AR, to the elite who is mastery of every weapon... I wanted to see how everyone looked at it. As I have said there is many many players who I assure you are better than any of you, and also better than me, that share the opinion of the pistol with me and that is the opinions that should be respected cause these are the opinions of the players we strive to be as good as and as recognized as.

I'll leave you with this, I'm not calling any of you noobs... nor am I flaming those who share a different opinion, BUT if you are looking forward to Halo 2 so that your friends who own you can no longer use their pistol skills to their advantage so you can jump in a vehicle or mow them down with an AR... then you really need to practice cause you have another 3 1/2 months of ownage and I trust Bungie will do the right thing, and give us all another weapon that will be equally as loved as the pistol if they do not bring it back.

Ask yourself this, each and everyone of you, if the pistol in fact is overpowered, then isn't it balanced when its in the hands of each player? It's not unbalanced if we all have it, then it's simply a matter of who is the most skilled with it. The pistol is called overpowering simply because it's more abundant and the one who masters it can own others who use it as well. That's not overpowering, that's just plain and simple out playing.

[Edited on 7/18/2004 4:01:24 AM]

  • 07.18.2004 3:37 AM PDT
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The pistol was amazing fun to use un SP. I dont think it will be in Halo2, just seems like the battle rifle is the new assault rifle/pistol, and thats fine with me.

There are two types of halo players....well not really, but those who love the pistol, and those who hate it. It doesnt bother me that the pistol wont be in halo2, there will be new weapons to play with. I think alot of people want it to saty because they rely on it to get kills, maybe they just like it, but it just seems to me people want to keep it so they have an advantage. All the weapons in Halo rock, the pistol is gone, and so is my beloved Assault rifle.

Im sure the new weaps will fill the void. Dual SMG's, the awsome battle rifle, shweeet!!

Edit: Like I said, I love the pistol, great fun, just like all the weapons, but if you want to use it, all you have to do is boot up halo. Problem solved. Theres no point making a sequel if your just going to make better graphics and new levels. Part of the fun is new weapons, new enemies and such. If some of the golden oldies need to be left out so we can play with new toys, so be it. Rest in Peace my beloved AR, I wont forget you...lol.



[Edited on 7/18/2004 4:21:20 AM]

  • 07.18.2004 4:11 AM PDT
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I totally agree with you that the new weapons will fill the void, and I am not bothered by the pistol possibly not being in Halo 2. Every player has a weapon set they 'rely' on. It is different for different people. My argument is that Bungie will make another weapon that will be equally as dominant if not more dominant and that people shouldn't argue that the pistol was too good because they got owned with it when any other weapon if mastered could counteract the pistol, and yes they can, if you don't believe me then I'll explain. Plain and simple if you start out with a weapon, you have to shoot with it, you're going to learn how to shoot it and be good with it, that's how it works. That's the pistol.

  • 07.18.2004 4:16 AM PDT
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I think your the only disgace to the game shadedhalo. the pistol was way overpowered.

  • 07.18.2004 7:39 AM PDT
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Even though the pistol is a good and fun weapon its overpowered too much...
takes the fun out of using the other weapons...

  • 07.18.2004 7:48 AM PDT
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I know, and they keep saying if we dont like it so much then dont use it, but they will, and considering its overpowered nature whomever has that pistol has the natural advantage and will probably win. thats not a solution people, only causes more of a problem. Bungie found the ultimate solution and I thank them very much for it.

Also you people say if the pistol is so overpowered then why dont we use it???because the game gets boring then due to everyone is running around with pistols fragging each other in 3 shots from nearly any distance. takes the fun out of the game due to its so strong from any range.

  • 07.18.2004 7:53 AM PDT
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The pistol was made for the exact reason shadedhalo pointed out, to balance out the overpowering weapons. If someone is tearing the crap out of everyone with a RL, a person with a pistol can take them out in a flash. It is meant to balance the game. It should not be changed, unless it was fo the better.

  • 07.18.2004 8:08 AM PDT
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rocket launcher is a terrible weapon, and I like pistols in general but if it was just toned down a little bit, and given a larger clip. then I wouldent care. I dont like the fact that all you have to do is land a few shots and your opponent is toast. if the pistol was made so it only did 1/3 the damage and they doubled its clip size then it would be more realistic. a pistol is a backup weapon, not something you rely on to kill someone with a rocket launcher. (yes I know its used for that reason lots of times but it shouldent be)

  • 07.18.2004 8:22 AM PDT
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roflmfao 6 ways from sundaY huh lmao

[Edited on 7/18/2004 9:29:09 AM]

  • 07.18.2004 9:18 AM PDT