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Subject: Pistol and So Forth
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use 2 play with shields i was awesome played some good pple but i only dont play shields when im at home ok and you do prove a point the gun takes skill to use

  • 07.18.2004 9:21 AM PDT
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I'm back, sorry I bored you with my absence. :) But this topic was put up here for arguments, I knew there would be some who agreed, some who disagreed. My post was wrote not on just my opinion but on opinions of several people I play with both in real life, on XBC, and I've talked to at tournaments. The Ogres was qouted to have said that it would be a disgrance for Bungie to remove the pistol, and a mistake. HP-Darkman shared that same sentiment, so this opinion belongs to the most talented players in the world who have mastered every other weapon available on Halo. I love the pistol for it's range and flexibility but the fact of the matter is I use other weapons just as much if they are available to me. On Chill Out owning the rocket launcher or the shotgun is key, as for many small maps. Many maps are designed for close range weapons, some for midrange, and some for long range. Just because the pistol is designed for medium range and also is good at longe range isn't a fault.

I want all of you who flamed my post to consider this, there is many short range weapons, ranging from the shotgun, the assault rifle, and plasma rifle. At medium range you have the pistol, the rocket launcher, and the plasma rifle/pistol. At long range there is only the sniper rifle and the pistol, if the pistol did not exist you could not fight someone far off unless you could find a sniper rifle. I don't believe any of us who are coming out of one portal on the much much too used Blood Gulch would want to have to have a sniper rifle in order to even fight someone at the other portal or nearing the powerups, that is absurd. I honestly believe the ones who claim the pistol is overpowered are players who lack skill with the weapon and do not realize the problems that will occur if is removed.... if the pistol did not exist in Halo: Combat Evolved then there would be a lot of players who did not play very long. It takes care of many things but no it's not overpowering in the fact any other weapon that is mastered can overtake the pistol at ANY range other than mid range, where it is supposed to be dominate.

Noone complains the sniper rifle kills in one shot from long range, and nobody complains the shotgun kills in one shot at close range.. but yet we complain the pistol kills in three shots at midrange? That in itself is absurd. Also to the guy posting post after post about killing 7 players with one clip, if you're not using shields then you're not playing with skill so don't brag about that. You may have great skill with the pistol but don't make illiterate post without thinking just to get flamed over. Just some advice.

This post wasn't to cause controversy, nor was it to down Bungie and the great work they have done, is was to voice opinions from players who are at every level of Halo. From the noob who thrives on vehicles and running straight ahead with his AR, to the elite who is mastery of every weapon... I wanted to see how everyone looked at it. As I have said there is many many players who I assure you are better than any of you, and also better than me, that share the opinion of the pistol with me and that is the opinions that should be respected cause these are the opinions of the players we strive to be as good as and as recognized as.

I'll leave you with this, I'm not calling any of you noobs... nor am I flaming those who share a different opinion, BUT if you are looking forward to Halo 2 so that your friends who own you can no longer use their pistol skills to their advantage so you can jump in a vehicle or mow them down with an AR... then you really need to practice cause you have another 3 1/2 months of ownage and I trust Bungie will do the right thing, and give us all another weapon that will be equally as loved as the pistol if they do not bring it back.

Ask yourself this, each and everyone of you, if the pistol in fact is overpowered, then isn't it balanced when its in the hands of each player? It's not unbalanced if we all have it, then it's simply a matter of who is the most skilled with it. The pistol is called overpowering simply because it's more abundant and the one who masters it can own others who use it as well. That's not overpowering, that's just plain and simple out playing.



YOU SOUND LIKE A PREACHER SERIOUSLY YOU DO

  • 07.18.2004 9:24 AM PDT
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LMAO I WILL FILL THE VOID WITH THE BR



R.I.P BELOVED PISTOL AND AR

  • 07.18.2004 9:26 AM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
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Could i point out that with dual wielding two pistols could be far too poweful. In multiplayer you would have the ability to kill in 2 seconds flat. Anyway, if you read first strike you can see that the pistol isnt eliminated, its replaced with a much larger magnum.

  • 07.18.2004 9:40 AM PDT
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we all know this but we dont know if the magnum will be implemented in H2 or not. no solid evidence to back that up besides book details.

  • 07.18.2004 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rift
I do like the pistol in Halo.. Its not really a skillful gun...the cross hair is massive for a pistol and in 3-5 shots it takes them down. The only thing skillfull about this pistol would be if your point blank facing someone with a shotty...other than that its all about shooting in the head with a large cross hair. I really do like the pistol its a good gun but I think they should minimize the cross hair or take out the scope. If anything decrease the amount of ammo or make it have some amazing recoil.

If the pistol has a large crosshair, then it is more inaccurate.

  • 07.18.2004 10:51 AM PDT

This topic has been beat to death but I still want to add my comments to it. I'm a new member here, but a long time poster at Halo.bunige.org and a LONG time Halo vet. I've placed second overall in a very large tourney so don't go calling me a n00b either.

1. The pistol is THE gun to have in almost any multiplayer game or map.

2. I love the pistol and pwn people with it on a daily but it IS overpowered. Think about if it was real life, it doens't make sense that a little pistol is SOOO much better than a large automatic gun.

3. TSK molded the way people played MP, it's not about CHOICE, you can CHOOSE to use another weapon, but that also means you're CHOOSING to lose. There is NO choice, you play with the pistol or you LOSE. 90% of the time.

4. I want to go into a battle in HAlo 2 MP and not know what the other person is going to use. Right now, I know everyone is gonna use the pistol and that's not cool. It's all about balance. If shaded halo and his flunkies are correct then why are the people who DESIGNED the game you all worship changing it? I admit I was PISSED at first when I heard the pistol was gone/different but the more you think about it and the more maturely you look at it, making it less powerful is a GREAT thing for halo 2 MP


post # 1. expect to see more of me around here.

  • 07.18.2004 11:00 AM PDT
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D@amn well put chaos, looking forward to reading more of your musings...

  • 07.18.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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My God people! Haven't we debated about the hopeful return of the M6D and MA5B enough? Geez. It is a shame this post is going absolutely no where taking into consideration none of us have played a full version of Halo 2 and Bungie is keeping most of their tricks in the dark.

  • 07.18.2004 11:06 AM PDT
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so so so true Hikaru, you never fail. Always there to silence the controversy.

  • 07.18.2004 11:37 AM PDT
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isn't it odd that the people who argue that the pistol should be left in and love it so much admit that it is overpowered, and that's why they love it?

  • 07.18.2004 11:48 AM PDT
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I just love it because it is a pistol and in campaign it helps me once my MA5B is out of ammo. That is all for me. I could careless if it is or is not overpowered. As long as I have the M6D and MA5B by my side, I'm happy.

  • 07.18.2004 11:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: noteliteornewb
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That was the most idiotic response I have ever heard, yes people can kill someone in 4 seconds or less because they have skill with it. Tell me this there captain obvious, how long does it take you to kill someone with a Rocket Launcher? Less than 4 seconds? Wait wait.. what about the Sniper Rifle.. ahh.. less than 4 seconds. Hold on.. the shotgun, ah yes.. less than 4 seconds. The plasma rifle.. right at 4 seconds. The only problem is the pistol is the only one out of these that require skill. The pistol is the answer to the RL.. if someone is coming at you with a RL do you take them out with your AR? Well if its you I am sure I could but still.. the pistol is there to let you be able to overtake more powerful weapons, so no it's not overpowered cause its just capable of doing anything another weapon is capable do it, it's just more abundant in use cause people spawn with it. Don't get in an intellectual argument with me, you will lose.


People who flame others because they don't share the dsame opinion are idiots by defintion. The pistol is overpowered compared to everything else. Everyone knows this. If everyone sais one thing and you are the only one who doesn't agree then guess what.


you just flamed him because you disagreed too

  • 07.18.2004 11:57 AM PDT
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the pistol is gone people!!!

  • 07.18.2004 11:58 AM PDT
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yes and this subject is dead, please stop posting people, let this thread fall into obscurity like it should have on the first page.

  • 07.18.2004 11:59 AM PDT
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I dont know why you guys think the pistol in the books was a revolver. You cant insert a magazine into a revolver, only a clip. Fred also co.cked the slide back to load a round into the gun. There is no slide on a revolver.

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  • 07.18.2004 12:00 PM PDT
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it was a desert eagle style magnum, thats why.

  • 07.18.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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I thought this thread was supposed to die and vanish into obscurity?

  • 07.18.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: DeathscytheV2
it was a desert eagle style magnum, thats why.


yeah, I know that.

Im saying that people think its a revolver.

  • 07.18.2004 12:05 PM PDT
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people wont stop posting, so I want to make sure things are posted properly and information is correct(gj bearcat).

  • 07.18.2004 12:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hikaru 119
I thought this thread was supposed to die and vanish into obscurity?

kind of like how the M6D should?

  • 07.18.2004 12:08 PM PDT
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(and will)

  • 07.18.2004 12:09 PM PDT
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Its obvious that Bungie is re-vamping the pistol because it hasnt been mentioned once.

  • 07.18.2004 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: IbanFuhhawd
Posted by: Hikaru 119
I thought this thread was supposed to die and vanish into obscurity?

kind of like how the M6D should?


And you unless you can present me any solid proof by Bungie, the only source of Halo 2 Tru7h.

  • 07.18.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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no i can't sorry. however, speaking of being intentionally narrow so as to not be wrong (i know that sounds offending, or like a bad insult, it's not supposed to be, i'm just using it to kind of lead into a new topic cause the pistol debate is too polarized), i havven't heard anything about the scorpion? is it the huge new vehicle from the update? but it's not new, is it? i hope they haven't taken it out cause it was too weak.

[edit: damn! it still sounds like im trying to insult you. whatever]

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  • 07.18.2004 12:16 PM PDT