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Subject: Pistol and So Forth
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its possible they are talking about the scorpion but they kept hinting at water/physics/ and making it work properly. I dobt they would have a problem making the tank work properly considering in the last game it worked fine(besides the fact that it sucked). I am thinking more along the lines of boats, but a tank is still quite possible.

  • 07.18.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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The pistol was overpowered because in 75% to 90% of the situations the pistol was better then every other weapon....

  • 07.18.2004 12:21 PM PDT
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Alright first of all im inbetween with keeping or not keeping the pistol. Yes I like it that I can kill people with 3 shots and when they are strafeing it doesnt matter because you just lead them and then there dead. But the pistol isnt very good close range if someone has the AR, Shotgun, Plasma rifle, or rocket...those four weapons can beat a pistol up close. Shotgun is 1-2 shots, and the plasma rifle is nice to shoot them to make them go slower and then you just hit them. And well the rocket we obviously know why thats better. Also the sniper long range is much better. One shot the guys dead and if not two shots so long range is the snipers advantage and if you dont have a sniper switch to a pistol i mean why not u start wit it anyway. Now I deffinately do think all the guns are equal like I just explained. But my complaints about it are some but only a few. Basically if you get shot first your gonna die unless that other person sucks. The scope really isnt a problem for me cause if your good you dont use the scope anyway. The one other thing id say is instead of three shots just up it to 4 or 5. It might not seem like a lot more hits to take but just one or two more would equal it out. Otherwise the pistol is fair enough BUT I will say that you dont have to be too skilled to use it. If its far range yes u gotta be a little more skilled but really within my first month or so I was already getting three shot kills.

  • 07.18.2004 12:39 PM PDT
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This is how I see who has more of an advantage:

Pistol agenist shotgun
Up Close - Shotgun
Semi Upclose - Shotgun
Medium Range - Pistol
Semi Far range - Pistol
Far Range - Pistol

Sniper Rifle vs Pistol
Up Close - Pistol
Semi UpClose - Pistol
Med Range - Pistol
Semi Far - Pistol/Sniper Rifle
Far Range - Pistol/Sniper Rifle
Extreme Range - Sniper Rifle (out of Pistols range)

Rocket Launcher vs Pistol
Up Close - Pistol (due to the high chance of commiting suicide, this is 1 vs 1 also)
Semi Upclose - Rocket Launcher
Med Range - Rocket Laucher
Semi Far - Pistol
Far Range - Pistol

Assault Rifle vs Pistol
UpClose - AR
Semi Close - AR/Pistol
Medium - Pistol
Semi Far - Pistol
Far Range - Pistol

Plasma Rifle vs Pistol
Upclose - Plasma Rifle
Semi Close - Plasma Rifle
Medium - Pistol/Plasma Rifle (these are ties btw)
Semi Far - Pistol
Far Range - Pistol

Plasma Pistol vs Pistol
Upclose - PP/Pistol
Semi Close - Plasma Pistol/Pistol
Med Range - Pistol
Semi Far - Pistol
Far Range - Pistol

better vers vehicles
Upclose - Grenades
Semi Close - Grenades/RL
Med Range - RL/Grenades
Semi Far - RL
Far Range - Sniper Rifle/Pistol
Extreme Range - Sniper Rifle

I'll update if I forgot something, and the needler isn't going to be included for obvious reasons... This can be used in all situations, but is more so based off the larger levels which support all ranges (Blood Gulch/Sidewinder/ect.). Needler wasn't included for obvious reasons and this is one weapon matches, no grenades or second weapons...

I'll add a second later explaining whoat I mean by each range...

Extreme Range - Everything out of the pistols range

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  • 07.18.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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The pistols range was stupid, there is no way a pistol can be more accurate at long ranges than a rifle. Its not physically possible.
Also the accuracy was ridiculous, it was just as accurate accross the other side of the stage (Hang em high is my example), as it was when the guy was only twenty metres away and it is the only gun in the game that has such consistant (sp) accuracy!
It is these two points that made the gun unbalanced, I have no complaints with the number of shots it took to kill people as that was explained by the type of ammo used (high explosive armour piercing rounds are meant to, strangely enough, pierce armour)!
Also I agree it was the only gun that could compete against a sniper (barring another sniper rifle), as it had the range and the accuracy to hit the sniper and take his zoom off, most of the time! However with the inclusion of the Covenant Carbine and with the BR replacing the pistol we now have two weapons that can go up against the snipers! I think three weapons would mean the SR loses all its advantages, as you would have lose the protection that range offers!

  • 07.18.2004 1:42 PM PDT
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They are having a pistol, in the August OXM the magazine editor said "Other than an anonymous betrayal-happy teamate that kep pistol-whipping just befor i jumped into a ghost, everything about Halo 2 was awesome albeit dizzyingly."

  • 07.18.2004 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Endnote
The pistols range was stupid, there is no way a pistol can be more accurate at long ranges than a rifle. Its not physically possible.
Also the accuracy was ridiculous, it was just as accurate accross the other side of the stage (Hang em high is my example), as it was when the guy was only twenty metres away and it is the only gun in the game that has such consistant (sp) accuracy!
It is these two points that made the gun unbalanced, I have no complaints with the number of shots it took to kill people as that was explained by the type of ammo used (high explosive armour piercing rounds are meant to, strangely enough, pierce armour)!
Also I agree it was the only gun that could compete against a sniper (barring another sniper rifle), as it had the range and the accuracy to hit the sniper and take his zoom off, most of the time! However with the inclusion of the Covenant Carbine and with the BR replacing the pistol we now have two weapons that can go up against the snipers! I think three weapons would mean the SR loses all its advantages, as you would have lose the protection that range offers!


I agree, out of all the pistols statistics, accuracy was the worst one... For starters the gun had the tiniest barrel I have ever seen. If it makes it to halo 2 the gun should have accuracy a bit better then the AR did in Halo....

  • 07.18.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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Pistol whipping might be being used as a figure of speech for hitting someone with a gun. I might or might not be referring to a literal pistol.

But anyway, on all the XBC games I've played, the pistol does become slightly over used. Though only in levels like Hang Em' High and Battle Creek. It seems to me that all the other guns seem to be used quite equally in other levels. The pistol does take alot of skill, but no more than the SR. It becomes more of a face off weapon, when two people are running right at each other from a distance. If you sneak up on some one, you use the shotgun or RL or even the plasma pistol if you get off a charged shot. If you are hiding, you use the SR. You use the assault rifle out of desperation. Every gun has it's own dynamic and own ability for fun. I've played alot of multiplayer with friends just sitting around the couch, and every gun gets its fair and often unique use in the end.

  • 07.18.2004 3:27 PM PDT
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Jesus guys its a fiction game, things dont always have to be realistic. And as for the pistol.. its really only ever overpowerfull if youre playing against suxors who have no idea of what to do. Its so fkn easy to strafe out the pistol, ive done it many times with skilled opponents. Strafe them out throw a grenade behind them and advance on them with an AR.. very easy unless you have no skill. So anyone who thinks pistol is overpowerd sadly is a suxor. Also pistols dont go through walls just hide behind something, all of you that think its "soo powerful" med/long range. You guys act like its a sniper when its not, have you ever tried to snipe (with a pistol) from the bluff (left of red base) in BG and hit say a sniper on blue base? That is long range for me and the pistol doesnt even hit the ground. If you cant stand up to something that is so easy to defeat then its not a problem with the pistol.. its a problem with your talent

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  • 07.18.2004 3:46 PM PDT
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Spartan I couldn't have said it better myself. And as for the guy saying 'since everyone disagrees guess what'.. everyone doesn't disagree, 60 percent disagree, 40 percent agree. If there is one problem with the pistol I will agree it's if you don't get off the first shot then you are dead, it goes into spawn rapeage and even if you are very skilled it's hard to avoid. But the same case exist for other weapons as well, not just the pistol. I believe Bungie will put the pistol in and weaken it, take off the scope and possibly make the shots needed 5 instead of 3... if this doesn't happen it's obvious what will, the battle rifle will become the next pistol so noobs can nag about it's power.

Now for the person who keeps insisting on this post dying and saying it's pointless, QUIT COMING BACK AND POSTING. Go to the vehicles post and leave this one be if that's what you want. Also don't talk about scorpions or anything else in this post, vehicles are sickening. Unless they are used to drive to get a powerup or to a sniper perch then they really shouldn't be used in my opinion. I thank God every day Bungie has added in boarding action and the heat seaking rocket launcher so we'll have an easy way to take out the noobs riding around in warthogs thinking they are bad ass.

  • 07.18.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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My post was wrote not on just my opinion but on opinions of several people I play with both in real life, on XBC, and I've talked to at tournaments. The Ogres was qouted to have said that it would be a disgrance for Bungie to remove the pistol, and a mistake. HP-Darkman shared that same sentiment, so this opinion belongs to the most talented players in the world who have mastered every other weapon available on Halo.

hmmm...they must be good. whats the ogres rating? are they the best in the xconnect players? or are they not good? cuz my good friend dakotah, after i left his house stoned and drunk, told me about the -blam!- talking clan he fought against...the Ogres. yeah, he went with two newbs against three of them. he had 35 of his teams kills, and his team beath the crap out of the Ogres. i dont have the score offhand, ill call him up or talk to him, but you will know the whereabouts soon enough. so, there opinion sux ass. if you think the "better" you are the more important you opinion is, go F UCK yourself.

the pistol was overpowered. thats why they made it into the battle rifle. i hate halo players because they are the dumbest damn people ever. i think i said this before...you are dead wrong. ever see a dead horse? youre about as wrong as that horse is dead.

ps, i kick my friend, named dakotah, 's ass everytime ive played him. hes beaten me like 10 times my life. which is about 5 times the number of times i lost on xconnect. dont get into a pissing contest with me, please.

Ask yourself this, each and everyone of you, if the pistol in fact is overpowered, then isn't it balanced when its in the hands of each player? It's not unbalanced if we all have it, then it's simply a matter of who is the most skilled with it. The pistol is called overpowering simply because it's more abundant and the one who masters it can own others who use it as well. That's not overpowering, that's just plain and simple out playing.

teh needler is ten times cooler than the pistol. if the needler kicked a lot of ass as a gun, it would be the coolest fights ever. explosion, explosion, explosion... and lots of purple crap, and itd be awesome. sad thing is, we never get to start with a needler, so no one picks it up, and everyone likes playing custom to start with the pistol, cuz they think like you[or dont, however you like it]. there are other weapons in halo, that are more fun, but dont see the light of competitive play due to the pistol.

... then you really need to practice cause you have another 3 1/2 months of ownage and I trust Bungie will do the right thing, and give us all another weapon that will be equally as loved as the pistol if they do not bring it back.

the almighty BATTLE RIFLE! its like a fixed pistol! crazy! 12 shots of three round bursts! the pistol had 12 shots! a 2x scope, as well! its weaker when scoped[read; 1/3 the power]. oh, and its got a good melee attack, for more skillful fights. oh, and you cant autoaim spam the gun, cuz it shoots in bursts...

and one last retort...
Noone complains the sniper rifle kills in one shot from long range, and nobody complains the shotgun kills in one shot at close range.. but yet we complain the pistol kills in three shots at midrange? That in itself is absurd. Also to the guy posting post after post about killing 7 players with one clip, if you're not using shields then you're not playing with skill so don't brag about that. You may have great skill with the pistol but don't make illiterate post without thinking just to get flamed over. Just some advice.

that is the worst argument ever. it is "over powered". no one started counting. cuz being too powerful is being the pistol....just try playing halo. if you noticed, everyone seems to think its the best weapon, cuz they use it like it is. weird! and halo shouldnt have a best weapon. its more skillful to be able to takle a variety of different ways to kill your opponent or die from you opponent. more equals better. have you ever played a first person shooter with three guns? me neither. tho it sounds like itd suck...

and just to be a dick cuz im sick of pistol posts...
to the elite who is mastery of every weapon...
CS players are ten times cooler than halo players because they dont think they are the master of every weapon...cuz its a first person shooter. the type of game that requires the most amount of skill...the master is the best ever. HALO2 online rankings will show who is the best playing. until then, no one can claim to be master.

i quit this forum now. people that post here have got to be 12 or something. thats got to be the explanation...

  • 07.18.2004 4:07 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

yes i agree Kazoo. no matter how good you think you are,theres always someone out there who can kick your ass and you dont know how good the other forum members are,so you cant say youre going to own when Halo 2 comes out. most likely,those are the people who will get their asses beat the first day. im not the greates Halo player,but ive won my fair share of matches. ive also lost my fair share though. people who say they are the best are probably the best player out of their group of 6 people

[Edited on 7/18/2004 4:14:32 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 4:13 PM PDT
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Kazoo... all I have to say about your post is.. haha. You misspelled half your words, and everyone knows who the Ogres are, and I assure you if your friend beat them then it wasn't them. There is only two of them, they compete in the national tournaments, Igames, AGP, Xtournaments. They rarely play on XBC cause there is no competetion and if they do they don't use their real names, they use names such as Mailman and Sheepdog. I assure you your friends have never played against the Ogres. They are the 2v2 national champions two years running, so their opinions are a bit more important than yours.

Ok on to responding to your post. You said the needler was the coolest weapon in the game because of the explosions and you bragged about beating your friend. Those two comments alone make you sound utterly retarded. Is it the pretty pink colors that catch your eye? Anyone with any knowledge can take out someone with a pistol just as easy with another weapon as they can the pistol. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to practice with their other weapon choices.

This is a Halo forum, we discuss Halo, not Counter Strike or any other games you wanna mention. If we wanted to discuss CS we'd go to a forum for that, so if you come to a Halo forum discuss it, not something else.

Last but not least, don't act cocky and like you know anything cause I assure you, you don't. If you wanna prove how good you are at pissing then just let me know, my xbc sign in is shadedhalo and I'd be glad to play you on your host. Till then, you can stop with the bragging.

  • 07.18.2004 4:17 PM PDT
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Well you know were talking about a video game.. the majoraty of ppl playing video games are from what 8-20.. and how old are you 13? Cs is a good game yes but saying that it takes anymore skill than halo is wrong.. Just because you cant dodge a few well placed pistol shots doesnt mean it is overpowered.. Just because you get owned by some roxor with a pistol doesnt mean its overpowered it either means you suck ass or that person is really good.. if its the second he could probably own you with whatever he wants not pistol.. and theres an easy way to not have pistol on spawn.. dont go with generic.. look i dont use pistol that much but i play with it enough to know that its not overpowered, i dont care when someone kills me half the time with a pistol with 3 shots because, the other half of the time im killing them in one shot with the sniper.. Also saying that CS takes the most amount of skill is bull.. CS is all spray and pray.

maybe kazoo would like it if we bought our weps in halo 2 and ran around killing terrorists with an awp.. im sorry kazoo but halo is better than that, and anyone too suxor to notice shouldnt play it in the first place.

  • 07.18.2004 4:26 PM PDT
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A pistol should NOT be able to take out a tank. the covie moter tank. ive done it twice and im not that good at the game yet

  • 07.18.2004 4:26 PM PDT
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yes i agree Kazoo. no matter how good you think you are,theres always someone out there who can kick your ass and you dont know how good the other forum members are,so you cant say youre going to own when Halo 2 comes out. most likely,those are the people who will get their asses beat the first day. im not the greates Halo player,but ive won my fair share of matches. ive also lost my fair share though. people who say they are the best are probably the best player out of their group of 6 people

holy crap, you are the first. everyone else waits like 2 months and then has this crazy revelation, that often sounds like one of mine.

and speaking of halo2, since this is a halo2 forum, and before i quit here, ill tell ya what ill be wearing in halo2. RED, with secondary WHITE, and my shoulder symbol will be a big ass red and white BULLSEYE. just to piss of all the so called elites. i think my friends and i are really going to start a clan called the CandyCaneGirls. just for craps and giggles.

peace out yall, and have fun with the pistol, or dont.

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Kazoo... all I have to say about your post is.. haha. You misspelled half your words, and everyone knows who the Ogres are, and I assure you if your friend beat them then it wasn't them. There is only two of them, they compete in the national tournaments, Igames, AGP, Xtournaments. They rarely play on XBC cause there is no competetion and if they do they don't use their real names, they use names such as Mailman and Sheepdog. I assure you your friends have never played against the Ogres. They are the 2v2 national champions two years running, so their opinions are a bit more important than yours.

Ok on to responding to your post. You said the needler was the coolest weapon in the game because of the explosions and you bragged about beating your friend. Those two comments alone make you sound utterly retarded. Is it the pretty pink colors that catch your eye? Anyone with any knowledge can take out someone with a pistol just as easy with another weapon as they can the pistol. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to practice with their other weapon choices.

This is a Halo forum, we discuss Halo, not Counter Strike or any other games you wanna mention. If we wanted to discuss CS we'd go to a forum for that, so if you come to a Halo forum discuss it, not something else.

Last but not least, don't act -blam!-y and like you know anything cause I assure you, you don't. If you wanna prove how good you are at pissing then just let me know, my xbc sign in is shadedhalo and I'd be glad to play you on your host. Till then, you can stop with the bragging.


WTF? whatever you just said about me arguing about someone else arguing about some weird BS. email me at mr_soccerman@hotmail.com. im going to go drink right now. and i dont brag, i just make you look like a fool.....god im tired. peace out. when youre playing me, im probably named maniac jack.

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Well you know were talking about a video game.. the majoraty of ppl playing video games are from what 8-20.. and how old are you 13? Cs is a good game yes but saying that it takes anymore skill than halo is wrong..

i think, you you re read my last paragraph of my post, it says CS players are ten times cooler. where the hell do you guys pull these crazy arguments from? ill repeat myself, for you. CS players are ten times cooler, becasue they dont think they are the best ever. cuz no one is. jackass.

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and im 7.

and a half.

[Edited on 7/18/2004 4:37:15 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 4:27 PM PDT

The pistol is too good. They have no choice, for the greatness of the game, it must be modified.

  • 07.18.2004 4:28 PM PDT
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Do you listen to yourself when you talk shaded

  • 07.18.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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they are going to have that magnum pistol from Halo FS

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No no I don't listen, but I do read. As far as Kazoo goes, you made me look like a fool? I believe you're the one who had no real arguments in return and sit there complaining about being tired and making fruitless attempts to put down Halo. Bade.. I have nothing to say to you cause your post did nothing.

Ok.. the guy who said that about the tank, if you're riding around in tanks you're a noob and don't know enough about the pistol to be posting here, plain and simple. Vehicles are overpowered and Bungie is fixing that I hope.

Spartan continues to make good points and he talks like someone who knows what he's talking about, and like a skilled player. And yes.. you can tell how good someone is from what they say in a post.

  • 07.18.2004 4:40 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

its unconfirmed,but seeing that Bungie created it for First Strike,its possible

  • 07.18.2004 4:41 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: shadedhalo
No no I don't listen, but I do read. As far as Kazoo goes, you made me look like a fool? I believe you're the one who had no real arguments in return and sit there complaining about being tired and making fruitless attempts to put down Halo. Bade.. I have nothing to say to you cause your post did nothing.

Ok.. the guy who said that about the tank, if you're riding around in tanks you're a noob and don't know enough about the pistol to be posting here, plain and simple. Vehicles are overpowered and Bungie is fixing that I hope.

Spartan continues to make good points and he talks like someone who knows what he's talking about, and like a skilled player. And yes.. you can tell how good someone is from what they say in a post.


vehicles wont be overpowered in Halo 2 because they are destructible.

  • 07.18.2004 4:42 PM PDT

I like my Covenant like i like my woman, screamin and with a sticky on there face.

the shotgun takes sum skill to master because of it's effectivness at med to long range but the thing is you need to learn to be paicient and ambush people instead of all-out assault and when i have sytem link games at hang'em high i rule all my friends have the highest score and over half my kills being with the shotgun and the rest with nthe pistol for long range

  • 07.18.2004 5:02 PM PDT
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I have mixed feelings about the pistol. I use it about 75% of the time in SP and I use it about 65% of the time in MP. It is a very good weapon and I usually do fairly well with it during multiplayer games, but sometimes I feel that the pistol is a little "overpowered". The reason why I feel this why is not because I get "owned" in multiplayer or "suck" with it. The only thing that really bothers me about the pistol is that it makes 4 weapons obsolete. I would personally perfer the pistol over the plasma rifle, plasma pistol, needler, and assault rifle and that bothers me. I find it strange that the human pistol is an overall better weapon than all of the covenants infantrary weapons and the human assault rifle. I mean then in SP why don't you see all of the human soldiers carrying the pistol instead of the AR. That's because an AR is supposed to be better than a pistol. I mean think about it today. You don't see all of the soldiers running around with USP or some other pistol instead of the M16. It just wouldn't make sense. I have more to say but I got to go. I just don't like seeing the pistol all the time. I need varity!

  • 07.18.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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Yeah....the pistol annoys me bacause I suck with it....and my friends are like 4 shots...u dead

  • 07.18.2004 6:59 PM PDT