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Subject: An Interesting Theory about Why there are No Elites (and more)

It never has been mentioned why the Covenant were so fast to get back to Earth after Regret jumped away (only an hour). Also, there isn't a reason yet why the Prophets sent all of the races, without Elites to New Mombasa (they still had a couple days before being betrayed by the Prophets and Brutes!)

Here is My theory for both Questionable happenings. I think that the Covenant (no Elites) where sent to New Mombasa to kill The Prophet of Regret (Brutes don't question orders), since the prophets had already concluded that killing Regret would shake up the Covenant and make "great time" for a civil war. Also, they might have had no Elites with them because they were sent to kill any remaining Elites in the city, or it's premises (Tsavo Highway, Voi, etc.) so that they could'nt regroup and tell the other Elites about what had gone on; a secret assassination mission.

But, that would be still a bit strange, since even though the Elites still could have fesibly gone to New Mombasa to claim the area, they would be doing a lot of questioning to the Prophets' intent. I think though, another reason they would'nt have the Elites go to Earth while High Charity is at Delta Halo/ Alpha Halo's Destruction site, is because the Prophets would want a large, er, concentration of them to be all in one place so they would'nt have to scour across the Galaxy huntin' them.

Well, damnit, I hope these loose ends will be tied up on September 22- I can't wait!

  • 06.11.2009 5:12 PM PDT
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that is a very smart
everyone should look at this!

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yep thats about right

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so you are saying that the brutes were the leaders of an assassination attempt on Regret, and that to escape the massive brute onslaught that is on the way he jumps inside the city?

so maybe regret hears that brutes are attacking the ships in space over earth, and he is being beat on the ground by the humans. so he is stuck between the humans and the brutes.

he cant go into space because the brutes will destroy his ship.

in the middle of brute and elite fighting over earth the odst ship slips in between and launches the odst's towards regrets ship.

regret must act fast or else his ship will be overrun by odst's

he makes the decision to jump in the city, the explosion kills many elites that are left behind.

now the brutes invade earth and eradicate any remaining elites, that survived the explosion and master chiefs reign of destruction.

your idea makes more sense than.... they just left.

  • 06.11.2009 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: DangerBeck
so you are saying that the brutes were the leaders of an assassination attempt on Regret, and that to escape the massive brute onslaught that is on the way he jumps inside the city?

so maybe regret hears that brutes are attacking the ships in space over earth, and he is being beat on the ground by the humans. so he is stuck between the humans and the brutes.

he cant go into space because the brutes will destroy his ship.

in the middle of brute and elite fighting over earth the odst ship slips in between and launches the odst's towards regrets ship.

regret must act fast or else his ship will be overrun by odst's

he makes the decision to jump in the city, the explosion kills many elites that are left behind.

now the brutes invade earth and eradicate any remaining elites, that survived the explosion and master chiefs reign of destruction.

your idea makes more sense than.... they just left.

What? No! I mean the Brutes were probably sent to kill Regret, but he jumped away from Earth before they Brutes could make it for the party. Regret jumped because he was getting beaten badly with the cruiser that was acompanying him already destroyed by Cheif himself (gawd that was badass), and he was gonna lose so he jumped away (also, he had not gain permission to go to Earth so pre-maturely- yet another reason the Prophets wanted him dead).

But back at Delta Halo, the Prophets attempted to kill Regret when they sent a cruiser to destroy the lake temple he was at ("shoutin' da sermin through da mike"), the Prophets, unaware that Chief had already killed him. (Well, he was ressurected by the Gravemind later).

Dude, don't say my theory did'nt make sense, by the sound of it, you have'nt even played Halo 2 (nevermind listening to it's story too, damn.) Why don't you go post on how "Halo: Reach is a Sequel- feat. Time Travel!"

P.S.- I am smarter that to say, "The Brutes were already at Earth ready to kill Regret", but they missed the party, came late, don't you get it!? It's not Rocket Science, it's attention to detail! And Regret would have no warning before being killed by the Brutes, anyways.

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Posted by: GuiltySpark569

What? No! I mean the Brutes were probably sent to kill Regret, but he jumped away from Earth before they Brutes could make it for the party. Regret jumped because he was getting beaten badly with the cruiser that was acompanying him already destroyed by Cheif himself (gawd that was badass), and he was gonna lose so he jumped away (also, he had not gain permission to go to Earth so pre-maturely- yet another reason the Prophets wanted him dead).

But back at Delta Halo, the Prophets attempted to kill Regret when they sent a cruiser to destroy the lake temple he was at ("shoutin' da sermin through da mike"), the Prophets, unaware that Chief had already killed him. (Well, he was ressurected by the Gravemind later).

Dude, don't say my theory did'nt make sense, by the sound of it, you have'nt even played Halo 2 (nevermind listening to it's story too, damn.) Why don't you go post on how "Halo: Reach is a Sequel- feat. Time Travel!"

P.S.- I am smarter that to say, "The Brutes were already at Earth ready to kill Regret", but they missed the party, came late, don't you get it!? It's not Rocket Science, it's attention to detail! And Regret would have no warning before being killed by the Brutes, anyways.


ok when did i say your idea makes no sense?

your idea makes more sense than.... they just left. reading comprehension FTW

also i was just coming up with a logical way that your idea could work

also i have beaten every halo game on legendary, and have watched every cutscene at least 15 times

your last sentence contradicted itself
"The Brutes were already at Earth ready to kill Regret", but they missed the party, came late, don't you get it!?

there on earth... but late to the party?

whatever you said agreed with my idea, did you read my post at all?

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:10 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 6:04 PM PDT

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  • 06.11.2009 6:08 PM PDT

@Danger Beck
-Yeah, I read you post many times, and everything in your post seemed to contradict mine. And you said "Your post makes as much sense as... they just left." which would obviously sound like you were trying to say that it was un-detailed, and impossible. And the Brutes being at earth thing- that was me half quoting what you were saying, and then what I said after that, was me evaluating what you just said. You saying "Regret was already being attacked/knew of an impending attack" and me saying that they missed the party was the point of what _I_ was saying.

Its not that easy, and I dont see why you were trying give a logical idea of how mine would work- It did have logic, simple logic, then yours opposed what I just said.

P.S.- We're not fighting; we're talking.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:17 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 6:16 PM PDT

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He clearly said that your post makes more sense than his.

Reading Comprehension ftw.

  • 06.11.2009 6:20 PM PDT

Posted by: AoD D3ad1te
He clearly said that your post makes more sense than his.

Reading Comprehension ftw.

I would'nt say clearly, but he said "than" in it, so he is'nt comparing it to his, and it would just be going against what he just said. A typo? This is all a big waste of space that could be people talking about my topic? Yes, and hell yes.

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Posted by: AoD D3ad1te
He clearly said that your post makes more sense than his.

Reading Comprehension ftw.



no no no....

i said his idea makes more sense than bungie's original idea, which was that the elites just left.

  • 06.11.2009 6:23 PM PDT

Posted by: GuiltySpark569
What? No! I mean the Brutes were probably sent to kill Regret, but he jumped away from Earth before they Brutes could make it for the party. Regret jumped because he was getting beaten badly with the cruiser that was acompanying him already destroyed by Cheif himself (gawd that was badass), and he was gonna lose so he jumped away (also, he had not gain permission to go to Earth so pre-maturely- yet another reason the Prophets wanted him dead).

But back at Delta Halo, the Prophets attempted to kill Regret when they sent a cruiser to destroy the lake temple he was at ("shoutin' da sermin through da mike"), the Prophets, unaware that Chief had already killed him. (Well, he was ressurected by the Gravemind later).

Dude, don't say my theory did'nt make sense, by the sound of it, you have'nt even played Halo 2 (nevermind listening to it's story too, damn.) Why don't you go post on how "Halo: Reach is a Sequel- feat. Time Travel!"

P.S.- I am smarter that to say, "The Brutes were already at Earth ready to kill Regret", but they missed the party, came late, don't you get it!? It's not Rocket Science, it's attention to detail! And Regret would have no warning before being killed by the Brutes, anyways.

Well, atleast my stupid talk back did do some expanding on the original topic too, hahaha!

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:26 PM PDT]

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Your mother jokes. Yeah-yuh.

Oh yeah the Elites just left... like Tru7h lololololololololololololol

  • 06.11.2009 6:33 PM PDT

Posted by: DangerBeck
Posted by: AoD D3ad1te
He clearly said that your post makes more sense than his.

Reading Comprehension ftw.



no no no....

i said his idea makes more sense than bungie's original idea, which was that the elites just left.


I feel like crying into a pillow right now- I'm sorry for the time we both wasted! IM SO SORRY! *Cries and Runs Away*
But seriously, sorry for being an idiot!

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Here is My theory for both Questionable happenings. I think that the Covenant (no Elites) where sent to New Mombasa to kill The Prophet of Regret (Brutes don't question orders), since the prophets had already concluded that killing Regret would shake up the Covenant and make "great time" for a civil war. Also, they might have had no Elites with them because they were sent to kill any remaining Elites in the city, or it's premises (Tsavo Highway, Voi, etc.) so that they could'nt regroup and tell the other Elites about what had gone on; a secret assassination mission.

ok first, i said they want to assassinate regret because his favorite troops are elites. the brutes know that killing regret would make it easier to dispose of any remaining elites.

the prophet of truth commands the brutes. so regret had no idea what truths plans were.

now when regret retreats from truths brutes he takes as many elites as he can before the brutes attack... and then jumps.

now the brutes kill any remaining elites in the city... ergo, no elites.

then truth travels to delta halo to destroy regret, MC already killed regret, giving truth reason to throw elites out, even though he secretly started the civil war.

is this what you mean?

EDIT: SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION =/ gotta go to bed now "muy tiredo"

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  • 06.11.2009 6:36 PM PDT

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there's a very simple reason why The Covenant sent Brutes to New Mombasa after the Elites left and this is something i read in an ODST forum on this site. ok, here it comes. Ok, first you have to split Regret and Truth apart . . . think of them as two seperate armies. Now both have their sets of grunts, jackals, and hunters at their disposal. There is a big difference though. The Prophet of Truth does not have ANY Elites in his army, NONE, ZIP, NADA.
The Prophet of Regret does not have ANY Broutes in his army.

In the new mombasa attack in halo 2, Regret's army comes through and attacks the city, nearly destroying it. As you're using the chief you face Regret's army of only Elites, Truth is not there so you don't see any brutes. Then Regret's carrier takes off nearly destroying the city.
Now there are no Elites in the city whatsoever, Regret left, Elites are now gone.

Here's where Truth comes in, remember, his army only consists of Brutes so you won't see any Elites, they are gone with Regret. His army plays clean-up in the city in a way and finishes the job. That is why you do not see any Elites in ODST, it wasn't a plan for Truth to kill Regret, it was battle tactics, strategy. Instead of trying to kill eachother, they're working together to take down New Mombasa.

Now do I believe Truth wanted Regret dead, not Regret, but i believe he wanted the Elites gone, but couldn't do it with Regret alive. This would explain why Truth got rid of the elites when Regret died.

Hope you take my post into consideration . . . if you're still here to read it . . .

  • 06.11.2009 6:40 PM PDT

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there actually is a stated reason. Read here to find out

  • 06.11.2009 6:44 PM PDT

Dyor' Docuree (2nd in command of the powerhouse, The Sangheili Army)

. . . you caught my post in that . . . lol

  • 06.11.2009 6:46 PM PDT

Posted by: OMEGA V2O
there's a very simple reason why The Covenant sent Brutes to New Mombasa after the Elites left and this is something i read in an ODST forum on this site. ok, here it comes. Ok, first you have to split Regret and Truth apart . . . think of them as two seperate armies. Now both have their sets of grunts, jackals, and hunters at their disposal. There is a big difference though. The Prophet of Truth does not have ANY Elites in his army, NONE, ZIP, NADA.
The Prophet of Regret does not have ANY Broutes in his army.

In the new mombasa attack in halo 2, Regret's army comes through and attacks the city, nearly destroying it. As you're using the chief you face Regret's army of only Elites, Truth is not there so you don't see any brutes. Then Regret's carrier takes off nearly destroying the city.
Now there are no Elites in the city whatsoever, Regret left, Elites are now gone.

Here's where Truth comes in, remember, his army only consists of Brutes so you won't see any Elites, they are gone with Regret. His army plays clean-up in the city in a way and finishes the job. That is why you do not see any Elites in ODST, it wasn't a plan for Truth to kill Regret, it was battle tactics, strategy. Instead of trying to kill eachother, they're working together to take down New Mombasa.

Now do I believe Truth wanted Regret dead, not Regret, but i believe he wanted the Elites gone, but couldn't do it with Regret alive. This would explain why Truth got rid of the elites when Regret died.

Hope you take my post into consideration . . . if you're still here to read it . . .

Okay, well that all made sense except for two things:

1.- Truth has control over all of the Covenant, the Brutes are his, the Elites are his, everything is his.

2.- You don't beleive Truth wanted Regret dead? Well, you know for all Truth knew, (even up to his death), He did kill Regret. Yah, on purpose. Because you remember when that one cruiser sent the beam down on the temple where Regret was stationed, and Chief was? That was mean to kill Regret, it was Truth's special order, Badda-bing-badda-boom, ding dong HELLO! Smack, damn, dead. He did'nt even know Chief had already killed Regret, so he shot the beam, actually killing Chief too in the proscess of what he thought was only Regret. DOUBLE KILL! That's why Shipmaster Vudamee says "If you had not withdrew our Phantoms we would have prevented Regret's death and killed the Demon"- you see, Truth was gonna use Chief as an excuse anyways- he did'nt know he was acciedently telling the truth [no pun intended]!

P.S.-I know your probably thinking "OMG Ch33f DId'nt DYE! WAZ THISZ GAI AWN> CRACKZORZ?!?!?@!?!", but actually it's part of a theory I have. How could Chief survive being blasted by that beam? Regret being beat to death, and his lifeless corpse being beamed up like Scotty? And The Arbiter receiving a full-on blast by a Grav Hammer blast, and falling into a deep-ass pit? yah, nobody can survive that sh**. Just think about that, if you really need to- so no need to flame.

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Or the prophet made it SEEM like he was going to be killed to draw human attention away from him and more towards the elites because he wanted to get rid if all of them

  • 06.11.2009 7:14 PM PDT

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That's actually possible. but unlikely. Other Elite commanded ships could've turned on Regret instead of sending troops down. Also, Truth(and maybe Mercy) kept his plans to himself. No Elite knew and no Brute was smart enough to even look into the possibility. Truth didn't initially want to kill off Regret, it was more of a perfectly timed asset to further advance to selfish victory.

Keep in mind it was several hours after the Slipspace event of Regrets Carrier jumping when the Rookie awoke, allowing much more time for additional units to arrive from either other areas of Earth that were invaded and for Brute ships to arrive. As the majority of the "official" guardsman of the Prophets, the Elites were assisting over Delta Halo and High Charity.

So I think its just the fact that it was many hours after the event the game ODST takes place. That would explain the Brutes.

  • 06.11.2009 7:16 PM PDT

Sounds like a good idea spark.

  • 06.11.2009 7:17 PM PDT

Posted by: HaI0Fighter92
Keep in mind it was several hours after the Slipspace event of Regrets Carrier jumping when the Rookie awoke, allowing much more time for additional units to arrive from either other areas of Earth that were invaded and for Brute ships to arrive. As the majority of the "official" guardsman of the Prophets, the Elites were assisting over Delta Halo and High Charity.

So I think its just the fact that it was many hours after the event the game ODST takes place. That would explain the Brutes.

Well, they didn't actually have that much time to get the Brutes there because your fighting them in the flashback scenes (the drop did'nt knock out the other ODST's, remember, you're pod got smashed harsh by that other pod... and also, the Rookie is a rookie- he was probably almost fainting on his way dow, puffer in hand, LOL!)

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Though the events at Delta Halo take palce two weeks AFTER Halo 3: ODST, I do agree that Truth probably already wanted to assassinate Regret. You can see that by how he didn't send the Phantoms to save him. He always wanted him to die at the hands of the UNSC and probably gave him ill information on Earth so that Truth could initiate his plan faster than he thought he could.

  • 06.11.2009 7:31 PM PDT

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