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Subject: Why Midship?

Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.


One could aslo argue that as much as valhalla is similar to blood gulch, Assembly is similar to midship.

However I believe that niether should have been/should be remade. We have much better playing variants in Halo 3 that fill the same niche as the older map, so why not add something new, rather than a virtual redundancy.

  • 06.11.2009 7:12 PM PDT

Blood Gulch Bungie!!!!!!! I beg you:'''''(

  • 06.11.2009 7:13 PM PDT

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Everyone who is saying Valhalla is Blood Gulch; just go to burritosenior's profile and his thread about why they are completely different. Just because there are 2 bases in a rather big canyon do not make them the same. Anyway, I think they remade it because there are not enough maps like it in Halo 3 (besides Assembly, which would have been a good replacement). Plus us "casual" players have been given enough content with the release of Sandbox and some other Halo 1 remakes.

  • 06.11.2009 7:21 PM PDT
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I never understood why people liked Blood Gulch so much. I mean its basically just a Sniper/Warthog minigun fest. Maybe people liked it cause tactics were so limited? I mean skill hardly comes into play on the map. And its easy to get into situations where the enemy team has the Snipers or the Rocket an trying to leave your base will just get you killed. Then it just becomes a boring waiting game. I hate Valhalla too since while the map is more balanced spiritually its the same crap. BR, Sniper over an over.


Really the map I wish they had remade is Headlong. That map gave you many options. As for Midship I didn't really care for it. Too many bad memories of some guy just getting the sword an proceeding to kill 20 people with it. An how plasma nades are spammed non stop.

  • 06.11.2009 7:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sifer3
I never understood why people liked Blood Gulch so much. I mean its basically just a Sniper/Warthog minigun fest. Maybe people liked it cause tactics were so limited? I mean skill hardly comes into play on the map. And its easy to get into situations where the enemy team has the Snipers or the Rocket an trying to leave your base will just get you killed. Then it just becomes a boring waiting game. I hate Valhalla too since while the map is more balanced spiritually its the same crap. BR, Sniper over an over.


Really the map I wish they had remade is Headlong. That map gave you many options. As for Midship I didn't really care for it. Too many bad memories of some guy just getting the sword an proceeding to kill 20 people with it. An how plasma nades are spammed non stop.

It was big and open. And I am sorry if you do not like games where you are supposed to shoot guns at others because that is what Halo is.

  • 06.11.2009 7:33 PM PDT

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While Bungie has stated that there will never be a Blood Gulch or Coagulation remake, there are still two maps that have yet to be discussed. I can't speak for anyone at the studios, so take it with a grain of salt when I say there's still hope for a Blood Gulch remake. Patience is what we all need, and if we don't get exactly what we want, then so be it. I'd rather have something new to explore than nothing at all, especially when there are quite a few amazing Forge remakes floating about in the community files.

  • 06.11.2009 7:35 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Guardian was supposed to be a remake of Lockout, which wasn't a good map to begin with, but then Bungie makes Blackout, so now we have 2 remakes of Lockout. I don't see why they don't remake Blood Gulch. Valhalla has very few similarities to Blood Gulch and Coagulation.

  • 06.11.2009 7:36 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Quoted x3 for people that dont get it. We have Valhalla. Stop complaining about blood gulch/coag. Bungie is NOT gona go out of their time, just to give us something we ALREADY HAVE.

Edit: also, guardian was a map to look 'similar' to lockout, but not have same characteristics. Notice blackout is 99% exactly layed out like Lockout. Guardian takes its layout slightly, but it completly different.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 7:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 7:39 PM PDT

PwN IZ SiK

we need headlong

  • 06.11.2009 7:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Melkorpwn
Guardian was supposed to be a remake of Lockout, which wasn't a good map to begin with, but then Bungie makes Blackout, so now we have 2 remakes of Lockout. I don't see why they don't remake Blood Gulch. Valhalla has very few similarities to Blood Gulch and Coagulation.

Guardian was just simply a successor to Lockout with similar ideas, not a remake. Blackout was a remake because it had the same weapon placement and design.
EDIT: Blood Gulch DOES NOT EQUAL Valhalla!! Go to burritoseniors thread!

[Edited on 06.11.2009 7:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 7:40 PM PDT

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I really don't know why they're remaking Midship. I mean, it was ok, but defiantly not the best map to remake.

  • 06.11.2009 7:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Middleman16

It was big and open. And I am sorry if you do not like games where you are supposed to shoot guns at others because that is what Halo is.

... Talk about a straw man argument.

You guys have different opinions. I hope you can take it without being obnoxious.

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.



Quoted x3 for people that dont get it. We have Valhalla. Stop complaining about blood gulch/coag. Bungie is NOT gona go out of their time, just to give us something we ALREADY HAVE.

Edit: also, guardian was a map to look 'similar' to lockout, but not have same characteristics. Notice blackout is 99% exactly layed out like Lockout. Guardian takes its layout slightly, but it completly different.
Two bases in a canyon doesn't mean Blood Gulch! Ok, if that is all it takes then:
We don't need Heretic, Assembly is Midship.
We don't need Blackout, Guardian is Lockout.

There goes 2 of your MLG maps.

  • 06.11.2009 7:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: BurntBiscuits
What is it with everybody and their love for this plain, sandy, boring map. Valhalla is ten times better
.


I hope you die in a fire.

  • 06.11.2009 7:50 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

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Posted by: BurntBiscuits
What is it with everybody and their love for this plain, sandy, boring map. Valhalla is ten times better
.


I hope you die in a fire.


And I hope you live in a fire eternally, so you can burn in pain forever.

Burntbiscuits is right. I love Valhalla waaaay more than coag/gulch.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 7:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 7:51 PM PDT

Keep it classy Flood.

Posted by: BurntBiscuits
What is it with everybody and their love for this plain, sandy, boring map. Valhalla is ten times better, but even so, you have to complain don't you?

Don't you understand? Blood Gulch wasn't a fantastic map! It was one of the best of the H:CE and H2 lot, but no where near as good as the maps we have in Halo 3 today. It was average, plain and lacking in true development. If you care about you classic Blood Gulch so much, you may as well play in the bottom of Sandbox, its hardly much different.

Midship, however, was a fantastic map, with actual thought and design put into its creation. It was thoorughly tested and, most importantly, thoroughly enjoyable.


Blood Gulch was an amazing map, but, only on CE. Coagulation didn't feel the same as Blood Gulch despite being an almost exact replication , so people complained. The reason they won't remake Blood Gulch is because Halo 3's combat system is not the same as CE's and therefore wouldn't work nearly as well. Take Cold Storage as an example. It feels nothing like it's Halo CE counterpart and people hate it.

  • 06.11.2009 8:02 PM PDT

Unfortunately, Bungie saw fit to give MLG everything but total godhood, and saw fit to ignore it's fans who wanted the best multiplayer map ever made, to be returned to it's rightful place as the flagship map of Halo. Go figure.

  • 06.11.2009 8:02 PM PDT
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I'd rather have a small interesting map than a big open, boring, bland, vehicular domination map that has no strategy other than sniper here, rocket there.

  • 06.11.2009 8:03 PM PDT

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Valhalla is a bad remake of blood gulch and midship is nothing like assembly. I want to play on the classics that are upgraded for halo 3.

  • 06.11.2009 8:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.

...and gaurdian and blackout....


aight lets clear this up.
no famous people (and i use that term way too losely) wanted BG.
get a few famous people (again loose) and a mob of brain-washed fans to want, and presto it happens...
there better be a trampoline...

BG =/= Valhalla.
Valhalla: too bumpy, too many rocks, ledges?
BG- curved for one thing. and let's not forget more than 5 inches behind each base.
and the climbable walls.

  • 06.11.2009 8:06 PM PDT

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  • 06.11.2009 8:07 PM PDT

VALHALLA IS H3 BLOOD GULCH nuff said.

If the MLG population is so small then why do they have a whole playlist?

Midship is covenant with Bungie's awesome winsauce squirted all over it.

  • 06.11.2009 8:15 PM PDT

I don't miss BG that much, but there are some maps I wish they would have remade before Midship.

  • 06.11.2009 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.


yeah mate but some peep's want the classic Blood gulch

It would just be too similar to Valhalla in pretty much every way.


midship is the same as Assembly in almost every way.


Eivdently you've never played Midship. Merely the colors and some similarity to the layout of each base (even though its a far stretch) bare some resemblance.

  • 06.11.2009 8:38 PM PDT
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Because Midship is awesome!

  • 06.11.2009 8:52 PM PDT