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Subject: Why Midship?

alot of people wanted midship. we got blood gultch twice. and lockout and the next popular is midship. midship is not mlg only. its a great map for a bunch of gametypes.

  • 06.12.2009 10:40 AM PDT

ya i am ready to play on some midship i loved that map. so many lan parties playing FFA on that.

  • 06.12.2009 10:41 AM PDT

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People are only looking at the so called negative here. The guy who said it was midship in the first place also commented on Longshore. Which supposedly is extremely similar to headlong. Bungie wouldn't make a mappack focused on one type of player. There's always something for everyone. :D

  • 06.12.2009 10:43 AM PDT

Posted by: ElWonAte
Now that (unfortunetly) Heretic's been confirmed as Midship, why? So many more people have asked, begged, and demanded for Blood Gulch. And wouldn't Bungie go for the more popular demand, instead of the small population of MLG? (And so on).

So I'm asking, which one would you rather? The fun-for-everyone Blood Gulch? Or the not-fun-for-everyone-but-Slayer-fans.


That's a really broad and unsupported generalization of people's opinions. Not just hardcore MLG players asked for Midship. Many Halo 2 and casual players wanted Midship back to. We already have enough BTB maps. Its time for some smaller, arena-style maps to get a chance.

  • 06.12.2009 10:51 AM PDT

Midship is a staggering small sized map and i miss her

It is also the perfect map for 4 - 5 player rocket games(very tense if it's just two without motion on) - the best fun you will ever have in fact, not that the average player seems to have picked up on this fact - what is it with people not likeing rocket games?

Thank the good lord it's being remade - and lets just hope Bungie don't go changing it

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  • 06.12.2009 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla.

Burritosenior would kill you, and I would help him.

Valhalla is nothing like Blood Gulch, it's got key tactical differences that make the similarities pale in comparison. It's too different to be called a remake; like Guardian, the best label that can be slapped on it is a "spiritual successor", and look at what that got us: Blackout. So much for successor.

What I think personally is that the proportion of large to mid- and small-size maps was too great, so they had to make mainly mid- or small-sized maps for this new pack. What does that equal? A mid- to small-size map remake, which is Midship.

  • 06.12.2009 11:11 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

1. Midship is awesome. We need more arena maps in Halo3.
2. If you think BloodGulch=Valhalla, please go kill yourself.

  • 06.12.2009 11:11 AM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla.

Burritosenior would kill you, and I would help him.

Valhalla is nothing like Blood Gulch, it's got key tactical differences that make the similarities pale in comparison. It's too different to be called a remake; like Guardian, the best label that can be slapped on it is a "spiritual successor", and look at what that got us: Blackout. So much for successor.

What I think personally is that the proportion of large to mid- and small-size maps was too great, so they had to make mainly mid- or small-sized maps for this new pack. What does that equal? A mid- to small-size map remake, which is Midship.


CRY MOAR!

read what ash55 said. What he says, is the truth :)

  • 06.12.2009 11:14 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla.

Burritosenior would kill you, and I would help him.

Valhalla is nothing like Blood Gulch, it's got key tactical differences that make the similarities pale in comparison. It's too different to be called a remake; like Guardian, the best label that can be slapped on it is a "spiritual successor", and look at what that got us: Blackout. So much for successor.

What I think personally is that the proportion of large to mid- and small-size maps was too great, so they had to make mainly mid- or small-sized maps for this new pack. What does that equal? A mid- to small-size map remake, which is Midship.


CRY MOAR!

read what ash55 said. What he says, is the truth :)


No,. it's his opinion. The BR Has about the same range as the old Pistol, and Coag in halo 2 was just as good as BloodGultch. The Sniper is still effective as ever, just a little slower. We need a map geared for Vehicle only combat. Thats pretty much what BloodGultch was, Tanks, Wharthogs, Sniper, Rockets. Thats what made BloodGulch.

Valhalla, is pretty much an Infantry map.

  • 06.12.2009 11:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!

Get a brain moar.

read what ash55 said. What he says, is the truth :)
Blood Gulch or Coagulation could be re-designed around Halo 3. A move here, an alteration there. Nothing too big, keeping the essence of the map, but a change that would allow for great play for Halo 3. It wouldn't be difficult... hell, I think that it could just about work right now without any changes. Ash's opinion is just that: an opinion. Mine differs.

Posted by: privet caboose
We need a map geared for Vehicle only combat. Thats pretty much what BloodGultch was, Tanks, Wharthogs, Sniper, Rockets. Thats what made BloodGulch.

Valhalla, is pretty much an Infantry map.

Caboose brings up a very good point here. In Halo 3, we're seeing a real detraction from vehicle play and a big, big focus upon infantry play. Even heavies, which is the only gametype that actually features the number of vehicles that were common in Halo 2, isn't really about vehicles. It's more about infantrymen grabbing one of the ever-ready lasers and blasting the vehicles into tiny atomized bits before they can do anything, causing everybody but the very happy laser guy to be pissed off.

I'd like to see at least an attempt to get serious, legitimate vehicle play back in the game. Coagulation/Blood Gulch could do this for us, although I don't personally believe it would ever really have been included.

  • 06.12.2009 11:30 AM PDT

I would like Headlong more than anything. And ElWonAte, don't complain that Heretic is Midship. They haven't announced what the other two maps will be.

  • 06.12.2009 11:42 AM PDT
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To be honest i think we have enough HUGE MAPS as it is.

Rats Nest
Valhalla
Sandbox
Sandtrap
Standoff
Avalanche
And rumors of a remake of Relic
Why do we need another. in my opinion we need a new (decent) smallish map unlike snowbound(which every one Hates)

  • 06.12.2009 11:43 AM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!

Get a brain moar.

read what ash55 said. What he says, is the truth :)
Blood Gulch or Coagulation could be re-designed around Halo 3. A move here, an alteration there. Nothing too big, keeping the essence of the map, but a change that would allow for great play for Halo 3. It wouldn't be difficult... hell, I think that it could just about work right now without any changes. Ash's opinion is just that: an opinion. Mine differs.


And yet do you really belive that bungie is going to remake AGAIN, after creating one remake? It's getting so annoying, constantly hearing "I WANT COAG" "I WANT GULCH" If you want them so much, go pop in halo 2 or halo 1.

No matter how much you coag/gulch fans beg and whine over it, Bungie is just going to continue to do what THEY see is best. (and as alot of SMART people believe, they arent going to even bother with you guys)

So like I said before...CRY MOAR

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  • 06.12.2009 11:46 AM PDT
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Black Water Ops

- "Look im MLG"

isnt assembly almost the same thing?

i thinks its pointless

  • 06.12.2009 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
And yet do you really belive that bungie is going to remake AGAIN, after creating one remake? It's getting so annoying, constantly hearing "I WANT COAG" "I WANT GULCH" If you want them so much, go pop in halo 2 or halo 1.

No matter how much you coag/gulch fans beg and whine over it, Bungie is just going to continue to do what THEY see is best. (and as alot of SMART people believe, they arent going to even bother with you guys)

I did not say that I believed that they would re-make it. I'm just listing the benefits of its return, if it were to be done. Were somebody arguing for its return, I would tell them that it was ridiculously unlikely. Your opinion does not always reflect the logic of the situation.

I would also like to point out that I've been here for 3 years, made countless theories, supported Bungie every step of the way, and have been an active member of the community for all of my years here. I am not unintelligent, nor unknown. I would suggest that you stop patronizing me, because slander is grounds for a warning.

  • 06.12.2009 11:56 AM PDT

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Wow, 1 out of 3 maps is Midship and the first thing you guys do is complain?

Its funny, cause how many of you pick apart other people who complain about stuff.

For all you know you will LOVE Citadel and Longshore. Wait and see, Bungie can't make everyone happy, if they make each map appeal to separate players, then more players will at least have SOMETHING to like.

Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled rotten babies, and look at the bigger picture. Midship is a "Fan Favorite", which means for every one of you that don't like it, there are around 3 other people that do.

By the end of 2010, Halo 3 will become exactly what Halo 2 did when Halo 3 came out. The "old game". Reach will take over, Halo 3 will be obsolete, and you guys will all have a fresh palette of maps to whine about.

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  • 06.12.2009 12:01 PM PDT

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  • 06.12.2009 12:18 PM PDT

Posted by: BurntBiscuits
What is it with everybody and their love for this plain, sandy, boring map. Valhalla is ten times better, but even so, you have to complain don't you?

Don't you understand? Blood Gulch wasn't a fantastic map! It was one of the best of the H:CE and H2 lot, but no where near as good as the maps we have in Halo 3 today. It was average, plain and lacking in true development. If you care about you classic Blood Gulch so much, you may as well play in the bottom of Sandbox, its hardly much different.

Midship, however, was a fantastic map, with actual thought and design put into its creation. It was thoorughly tested and, most importantly, thoroughly enjoyable.


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  • 06.12.2009 12:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.
The MLG people also requested a remake of Lockout.


So, why are they so special?

  • 06.12.2009 12:27 PM PDT
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I really don't see the point to them remaking it.
You lot are just going to moan and complain about how Bungie ruined the map atrociously, and how truly pissed you are the the map dynamic changed with the new gameplay.

Remakes that people have cried about relentlessly in my Halo career:
-Tombstone
-Desolation
-Blackout
-Last Resort
-Coagulation
-Cold Storage

What's the point? People are too stubborn (or stupid) to realize that no matter what happens, the maps will play differently with different games.

I mean, people have been SCREAMING about how Bungie RUINED Blackout by making some of the "trick" jumps easier, despite the fact that my 14 year old brother was able to pull off those jumps seamlessly after seeing them ONCE back in Halo 2, despite NOT being MLG. (Oh mah gawd!!)

I just fail to see the point in remaking things for an unappreciative, idiotic customer base.

  • 06.12.2009 12:32 PM PDT

If you discount the Halo 1 maps that where re-made for Halo 2, as well for the new multiplayer maps for the PC versions of Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2: Vista, how would you like to be part of a team that had to choose the 30 maps available to be remade?

It pretty much guarantees someone will be unhappy, no matter what you choose.

  • 06.12.2009 12:32 PM PDT

I absolutely HATE Valhalla and Standoff! But I don't want a BG remake. Two games was enough. It was good map though. I want either Hang 'Em High or Burial Mounds.

  • 06.12.2009 12:35 PM PDT

Think the bigger picture people. Bungie doesnt have to release this. Its for your benafit that they are and if all you people are going to complain. Then Bungie shouldnt waste thousands of dollars doing this for YOU if all you guys are going to complain about one stupid map. Your lucky there releasing it at all after all you do is complain.

  • 06.12.2009 12:35 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Waste thousands of dollars? They are wasting TIME, not MONEY. They are getting lots and lots of money.

  • 06.12.2009 12:38 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Posted by: dmg04
Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.
The MLG people also requested a remake of Lockout.


So, why are they so special?
Didn't Bungie say they did a survey when they decided to remake a map for the Legendary map pack?

  • 06.12.2009 1:03 PM PDT