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Posted by: ash55
Blood Gulch would be terrible for Halo 3 because it's simply too big. All of the weapons in H3 are suited towards short range combat. The Battle Rifle has nowhere near the range of the old Pistol and even the Sniper Rifle has a shorter effective range. Standoff is a map that tries to capture the essence of Blood Gulch in many ways but it was designed in a way that suits the gameplay of Halo 3... Closer combat. And Valhalla is yet another spiritual successor that's geared more to a higher player count.

Midship was probably chosen because Halo 3 is sorely lacking in small, FFA arena maps. The Pit was the only "small arena" map when the game launched. Since then we've only had Assembly.

Even if Blood Gulch could work in Halo 3, it's not just about popularity. It's about offering a well-rounded range of maps for the game. The game launched with pretty much medium-sized maps across the board and so far they've given us 2 BTB maps, 2 Forge maps, 2 medium sized maps, and 1 small-ish map (Assembly). It makes sense to have Midship in the next batch.


Thank you, Ash55. Thank you.

  • 06.12.2009 5:06 PM PDT

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God it seems like people here never stop complaining! People asked for a Midship remake, now we get one and people have to complain. Ughh....

  • 06.12.2009 5:08 PM PDT

Dont look at me I voted for Turf...

  • 06.12.2009 5:31 PM PDT

Midship was an ok map, but I would always end up playing Blood Gulch and Waterworks.

  • 06.12.2009 5:41 PM PDT

I am going to lube your butt hole with nacho cheese and -blam!- you with a crowbar.

I really want Headlong, but midship is pretty sweet anyway.

  • 06.12.2009 5:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vengeful Donkey
I really want Headlong, but midship is pretty sweet anyway.
Someone sent me a message saying that someone leaked info ages ago.
This isn't proof or anything, but the leaked info was about Orbital, and Heretic. And it was right. He also said Longshore was Headlong.

This is no proof at all, but just saying: cause Heretic's already Midship, and Bungie doesn't want Blood Gulch.. Then Longshore could sound pretty possible.

Not that I want it.

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I wonder that too. I always hated Midship because the map was so bland and the spawns were horrible, even on Team Doubles, which is quite dreadful considering that there is only 4 players on the map.

Hopefully Bungie will surprise us with a remake of BG on 7/7/09 like they did with Chill Out last year. (Which is now currently Cold Storage)

And yes, Valhalla is a horrible 'remake' of BG because it contains a freaking mountain in the middle of the map which was never there in previous games.

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Posted by: ElWonAte
Posted by: Vengeful Donkey
I really want Headlong, but midship is pretty sweet anyway.
Someone sent me a message saying that someone leaked info ages ago.
This isn't proof or anything, but the leaked info was about Orbital, and Heretic. And it was right. He also said Longshore was Headlong.

This is no proof at all, but just saying: cause Heretic's already Midship, and Bungie doesn't want Blood Gulch.. Then Longshore could sound pretty possible.

Not that I want it.




If it was Headlong I would be satisfied with Halo 3's maps since that one is the one Halo 2 map I really would want in 3. But some MLG guy that got to beta test them kind of made it sound like Longshore is a new map. With 2 bases and another building with a bridge or something you can activate. Doesn't sound like Headlong since he made no mention of it being a city environment.

  • 06.12.2009 6:35 PM PDT

i want my Coagulation back so bad!!!!!!!!!!! valhalla is a bad remake

  • 06.13.2009 4:18 PM PDT
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Because Halo 3 was in dire need of small arena maps. The only small maps in Halo 3 are Cold Storage and Assembly, the latter being an arena map.

Although I loved Blood Gulch and would like to see it return, Halo 3 needs more small maps. Midship is arguably, the best arena map in the Halo series. It was good for almost any gametype, and it's a good choice for a remake.

  • 06.13.2009 4:29 PM PDT

MLG has nothing to do with why they are remaking midship and i hate how people say that. I dont care for MLG and yet midship is my favorite map in all of halo, so im glad they're remaking it. as for Blood Gulch i dont miss it at all really valhalla is close enough for me.

  • 06.13.2009 4:32 PM PDT

I was hoping for Prisoner, Chiron, or Boarding Action.

  • 06.13.2009 4:34 PM PDT

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you know what, for the -blam!-s who say they asked for it, hows about they take sandbox and make one, or go back to halo 2.

we need new maps, and re-makes of the classic titans, not all this bull-blam!- MLG requested remakes.

  • 06.13.2009 4:36 PM PDT

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you know what, for the -blam!-s who say they asked for it, hows about they take sandbox and make one, or go back to halo 2.

we need new maps, and re-makes of the classic titans, not all this bull-blam!- MLG requested remakes.


MLG people arent the only fans of midship god dammit!! stop saying that!!

  • 06.13.2009 4:39 PM PDT

Jesus -blam!- christ...

VALHALLA IS NOT A REMAKE OF BLOOD GULCH. SHUT UP.

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You're forgetting that like Blood Gultch, Midship was a very popular map in Halo 2.

Anyways, Blood Gultch would not work so well for Halo 3. Why? Spawning would be absoluetly horrendous. Standoff is a prime example. That has more cover than BG, doesn't even have a Sniper, or the Tanks present in BG, and that map has some bad spawns. BG's spawning would be much worse.

PLUS, there's already a couple of maps in Halo 3 that are too similar that by adding a BG remake would be redundant. Valhalla, Standoff, and (in a way) Defualt Sandbox are very similar to BG.

Now, I have no experience with how Coagulation played on Xbox Live in Halo 2, but the map's openness is suggesting to me that spawning must've been bad on the map.

I'd like to note that BG was my favourite map from Halo: CE, so don't think that I'm a BG basher.

Oh, I'd like to add this too:

Posted by: ash55
Blood Gulch would be terrible for Halo 3 because it's simply too big. All of the weapons in H3 are suited towards short range combat. The Battle Rifle has nowhere near the range of the old Pistol and even the Sniper Rifle has a shorter effective range. Standoff is a map that tries to capture the essence of Blood Gulch in many ways but it was designed in a way that suits the gameplay of Halo 3... Closer combat. And Valhalla is yet another spiritual successor that's geared more to a higher player count.

Midship was probably chosen because Halo 3 is sorely lacking in small, FFA arena maps. The Pit was the only "small arena" map when the game launched. Since then we've only had Assembly.

Even if Blood Gulch could work in Halo 3, it's not just about popularity. It's about offering a well-rounded range of maps for the game. The game launched with pretty much medium-sized maps across the board and so far they've given us 2 BTB maps, 2 Forge maps, 2 medium sized maps, and 1 small-ish map (Assembly). It makes sense to have Midship in the next batch.


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  • 06.13.2009 4:46 PM PDT

Posted by: HangtimeK


yeah mate but some peep's want the classic Blood gulch


If you want the classic blood gulch, play halo 2 lol. Or alternatively, you can request more things to be done to forge to make blood gulch forge remakes better in halo 3.

  • 06.13.2009 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: HangtimeK


yeah mate but some peep's want the classic Blood gulch


If you want the classic blood gulch, play halo 2 lol. Or alternatively, you can request more things to be done to forge to make blood gulch forge remakes better in halo 3.


Alright, first get more then 10k people to play Halo 2 at once and then we have an agreement. Until then, no.

  • 06.13.2009 4:48 PM PDT

Why hello there!

MidShip is cool I hope for Halo: Reach they make a Blood Gulch remake like the Halo 2 one. Why not hope for a Blood Gulch in Halo: Reach rather than complaining about it not being in Halo 3. Valhalla is the closest to Blood Gulch we're gonna get in Halo 3 so please go and play. I also want new maps as well. Like half the maps are remakes so lets get a original map rather than a remake. Hopefully people will agree.

  • 06.13.2009 5:18 PM PDT

Posted by: ash55
Standoff is a map that tries to capture the essence of Blood Gulch in many ways but it was designed in a way that suits the gameplay of Halo 3... Closer combat.
yea right this is not close range all i ever see is poke my head out from behind a rock br duck back down and repeat.

  • 06.20.2009 2:01 PM PDT
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bloodgulch <3

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Posted by: ScottyAllen
We already have a blood glutch remake: Valhalla. The MLG people requested a remake of Midship.
I hate MLG

  • 06.20.2009 2:22 PM PDT
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Ummmm cuz midship kicked ass?

  • 06.20.2009 2:23 PM PDT
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Blood Gulch/Coag will always be a classic and Valhalla will never replace the fun i and thousands of people have had.

It was a hit in Halo: CE.

It was a hit in Halo 2.

Valhalla. Just no. It is not a remake, and will never be as great as BG/Coag.

but, Coag isn't being remade. I've already dealt with it. Midship is my least fav though. Mostly because of the sword.

  • 06.20.2009 2:30 PM PDT
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  • 06.20.2009 2:31 PM PDT