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Everyone is confused on the fact that we will not be fighting Elites in ODST. Well if you people had played, and finished Halo 2 then you would know that at the end of Halo 2 the humans and elites decided to team up. So this game takes place between Halo 2 and Halo 3. So at the end of Halo 2 we teamed up.

But some peole say that not ALL the elites knew about this sudden act. Well it was'nt long before all the elites knew because there were not as many elites as there want's was. So it probaly did'nt take long for the news to spread.

And if you remember the slip-space rupture in Halo 2 did'nt destroy ALL of the city. So there was a sudden decrease of elites in the city so when the events of ODST take place there has already been brutes in the city for hours. They had already eliminated all the elites in the city.So the elites just pulled-out and left the city to us humans. Partly because they did not have enough soilders to take back the city. And they could not afford to try and help us because there was too big of a risk. Another thing that people are confused about is the time. People think that ODST takes place after the 2nd or 3rd level in Halo 2. IT DOS'NT. ODST takes place AFTER Halo 2 and BEFORE Halo 3.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 5:42 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 5:37 PM PDT

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This game actually takes place during 2, not between 2 and 3. The alliance between the Elites and the humans hasn't happened yet during ODST.

  • 06.11.2009 5:39 PM PDT

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ODST takes place before the end of Halo 2, in fact, it takes place in the middle of Halo 2 when the Elites hadn't teamed up with the humans yet.

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actually it takes place during halo 2...during the slip space event which was in the MIDDLE of the game...

  • 06.11.2009 5:40 PM PDT

i believe you're wrong, not trying to be a jerk or anything. i just heard someone from bungie say it was after halo 2. i think... not sure though...

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Posted by: spooky0315
i believe you're wrong, not trying to be a jerk or anything. i just heard someone from bungie say it was after halo 2. i think... not sure though...


did u see the gameplay trailer?? its during the slipspace rupture...

  • 06.11.2009 5:46 PM PDT

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Everyone is confused on the fact that we will not be fighting Elites in ODST. Well if you people had played, and finished Halo 2 then you would know that at the end of Halo 2 the humans and elites decided to team up. So this game takes place between Halo 2 and Halo 3. So at the end of Halo 2 we teamed up.

But some peole say that not ALL the elites knew about this sudden act. Well it was'nt long before all the elites knew because there were not as many elites as there want's was. So it probaly did'nt take long for the news to spread.

And if you remember the slip-space rupture in Halo 2 did'nt destroy ALL of the city. So there was a sudden decrease of elites in the city so when the events of ODST take place there has already been brutes in the city for hours. They had already eliminated all the elites in the city.So the elites just pulled-out and left the city to us humans. Partly because they did not have enough soilders to take back the city. And they could not afford to try and help us because there was too big of a risk. Another thing that people are confused about is the time. People think that ODST takes place after the 2nd or 3rd level in Halo 2. IT DOS'NT. ODST takes place AFTER Halo 2 and BEFORE Halo 3.


Also, if people read the bestiarium section on brutes they would notice that brutes were used mainly as an occupational force by the covenant. So if the covenant OCCUPIED new mombasa it would make sense to use the OCCUPATIONAL force.

  • 06.11.2009 5:47 PM PDT
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when the slipspace rupture occured, Regret was still alive and judging by the level Metropolis, valued Elites more than Brutes.

He pulled back the elites, leaving the brutes behind. The Elites outranked and out honored the brutes. After regrets death, they switched with the brutes. BUT its possible that regret liked elites so much that he refused to leave them behind on earth and instead left the brutes to occupy the "dirty human" city.

  • 06.11.2009 5:49 PM PDT

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As many people have flawlessly told you, the human and elites are still at war during ODST. The reason they aren;t on Earth is because they are on Halo. And because Bungie couldn't be arsed to put them in.

  • 06.11.2009 5:58 PM PDT
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Wait i thought you fight elites and not brutes. ;-\

  • 06.11.2009 6:02 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

It kinda takes place in the middle of Halo 2. The whole "jumping inside New Mombasa" thing happened four levels in, what are you talking about.

  • 06.11.2009 6:03 PM PDT

"Bungie controls everything. You have no rights. Play nice."

For the last time its TURRETS not TORRENTS. A TORRENT is either a peer to peer file sharing protocol or a violently fast stream of water. A TURRET is a self-contained weapons platform housing guns and capable of rotation. And TURRENT isn't even a word.

From what I've read in interviews, Regret took the Elites with him and left some Brutes behind to occupy New Mombasa. As for the time line. Technically it takes place 6 hours after the slipspace rupture, with flashbacks taking place earlier than that.

Its perfectly logical to just fight the Brutes, since they are an occupying force, while the Elites are a siege and front line soldier force. Regret took his Elites with him, and left his Brutes behind to hold the city until the Covenant could send a bigger force.

It is also possible that Regret's brutes were better outfitted before the schism than Truth's Brutes. Regret may have just been ahead of the curve on the upgrades. After all, it only took a short while between Halo 2 and Halo 3 for Truth to upgrade the rest of the Brutes.

Its also possible that only Brutes sent to Earth recieved upgrades, while everyone else in the fleet is still without armor. Think about it, only Brutes sent to Earth were ever seen with these upgrades. The High Charity Brutes were always without armor. Truth came to Earth, and that was the first time we saw armored Brutes. Halo 3: ODST will show Earth based armored troops left behind by Regret.

These armored Brutes could be the special elite (the descriptive word, not the species) that serve in the collection of Forerunner artifacts. Specifically, the ark. The High Charity Brutes were armorless, under equipped (they had fewer weapons and no equipment), and were generally dumber. Earth based Brutes have armor, more weapons, better equipment, and are way smarter. To me it seems these brutes are special and separate from the Brutes we met in Halo 2. I believe they are a special separate force and that is why Brutes in Halo 3: ODST are armored and look like Halo 3 Brutes.

In other words, I think that even though we see in ODST these upgraded Brutes, that elsewhere in the Covenant fleet, the Halo 2 Brutes still exist, even during Halo 3. We just don't fight them.

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 6:03 PM PDT

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Also, if people read the bestiarium section on brutes they would notice that brutes were used mainly as an occupational force by the covenant. So if the covenant OCCUPIED new mombasa it would make sense to use the OCCUPATIONAL force.


read? who does that?
but thats exactly right!

  • 06.11.2009 6:04 PM PDT

I already Posted a Theory in a (ignored) thread, called "An Interesting Theory on Why There are No Elites (and more)", but anyways, heres what I wrote:

It never has been mentioned why the Covenant were so fast to get back to Earth after Regret jumped away (only an hour). Also, there isn't a reason yet why the Prophets sent all of the races, without Elites to New Mombasa (they still had a couple days before being betrayed by the Prophets and Brutes!)

Here is My theory for both Questionable happenings. I think that the Covenant (no Elites) where sent to New Mombasa to kill The Prophet of Regret (Brutes don't question orders), since the prophets had already concluded that killing Regret would shake up the Covenant and make "great time" for a civil war. Also, they might have had no Elites with them because they were sent to kill any remaining Elites in the city, or it's premises (Tsavo Highway, Voi, etc.) so that they could'nt regroup and tell the other Elites about what had gone on; a secret assassination mission.

But, that would be still a bit strange, since even though the Elites still could have fesibly gone to New Mombasa to claim the area, they would be doing a lot of questioning to the Prophets' intent. I think though, another reason they would'nt have the Elites go to Earth while High Charity is at Delta Halo/ Alpha Halo's Destruction site, is because the Prophets would want a large, er, concentration of them to be all in one place so they would'nt have to scour across the Galaxy huntin' them.

Well, damnit, I hope these loose ends will be tied up on September 22- I can't wait!

  • 06.11.2009 6:06 PM PDT

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Actually you could have had to face off against Elites, Brutes and Elites are still on the same side, but i'll clarify it for you.

ODST takes place right after the New Mombasa incident in Halo 2, now first off Regret has control of the Elites and Truth has control of the brutes. During the attack in Halo 2, while you're using the chief, you fight off Regret's forces which comprise of the Elites. Once Regret's Carrier ship flies off "obliterating" New Mombasa as it was thought, Truth's forces move in for a sort of "clean up" sort of thing. This is where you come in.
to make a long story short, i will show you this

regret=elites truth=brutes; Regret destroyed New Mombasa, Truth cleaned it up.

this also explains why when you kill Regret in Halo 2, Truth decides to kill off the Elites

[Edited on 06.11.2009 6:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2009 6:22 PM PDT

@OMEGA V2O
I know all of that... thats why I said that the Brutes would have been sent to Earth really fast to kill any surviving Elites, while still being on the same side as [the mass] of them.

  • 06.11.2009 6:29 PM PDT