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Subject: Is Sandbox on Reach?

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

If you haven't guessed already, yes, this is another theory being thrown out there.

This is, so far, based almost entirely on coincidence and similarity.

I recently noticed that This Ringed Planet in the Background Found in the Halo: Reach Trailer, looks a lot like This Planet Found on Sandbox.

Let's first look at the similarities.

Aside from the immediate visual similarities, it seems to me that both planets would appear to be roughly the same size when viewed from both Reach, and the Sandbox location.

We also see that in both cases, the local star is the same colour.

Well, that's about it.

In the Reach trailer we see what appears to be the moon of the unknown planet. When viewed from Sandbox, it could simply be hidden behind the planet.

*** If you have not read 'Ghosts of Onyx' and do not wish to have the plot revealed, stop reading now.***

I believe that, possibly, Sandbox could actually be located on Reach, post glassing.

I would imagine that a planet that had been glassed would be quite devoid of water and would indeed become a desert.

Now we also know that much of Reach, like Castle Base for instance, was underground, and was yet to be explored. Forerunner artifacts, like the crystal, were found deep within the planet.

Perhaps the glassing of Reach, possibly with the addition of some large explosion, blew away part of the crust to reveal the Forerunner structures beneath, much like Onyx, but maybe not a Shield world.

The description for Sandbox is:

This endless wasteland still holds many secrets. Some of them are held more deeply than others.
Now this could, and probably does, alude to the Crypt buried beneath the sands. It may, however, also tell us that there is something more.

In considering all this, we have to ask ourselves if we can consider the multiplayer maps to be part of Halo canon.

It is my belief that the maps do indeed borrow from canonical locations, but may not be canon themselves.

However, in saying that, Sandbox needs to be located SOMEWHERE in the Haloverse. Much like Avalanche being located on a Halo ring.

Just a thought. Any ideas?

[Edited on 06.18.2009 3:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.12.2009 4:56 AM PDT
Subject: Reach and Sandbox. One and the Same?

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I'm probably not going to be the only person that asks: How can you possibly say that the 2 planets that you link to look the same?

  • 06.12.2009 5:06 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

I explained that.

Try the planet in the background of the first image.

Both are the same colour, both have rings, and both appear to be a similar size.

  • 06.12.2009 5:10 AM PDT

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No, Sandbox is on the Brute homeworld. Bungie already answered that somewhere.

  • 06.12.2009 7:21 AM PDT

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  • 06.12.2009 8:28 AM PDT

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Theoretically it is possible. The Forerunner Technology however, which is appearing on the surface of Sandbox, has be believe it isn't Reach. I understand it was underneath the surface and much of it was glassed, but it still seems out of place.

Although, technically a Glassed Planet would eventually pass into a sandy world as the glass itself was worn down. Therefore, I guess its technically possible, just unlikely. More than likely, Halo 3's Sandbox is in the same vein as Epitaph and Sandtrap, taking place on a dessert environment that was not conquered by the Flood's infestation.

  • 06.12.2009 8:42 AM PDT
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I think that the UNSC would have noticed a big, Forerunner construct on the most vastly colonized planet that they happen to have. While it seems interesting to me, it also seems fairly impossible. I mean, big Forerunner ruins in the middle of Reach would scream stupidity if the UNSC didn't know about them, and they obviously wouldn't have.

  • 06.12.2009 8:45 AM PDT

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Sandbox is located on/near Te, the Lekgolo homeworld. The planet description shares almost every similarity.

  • 06.12.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Sandbox is located on/near Te, the Lekgolo homeworld. The planet description shares almost every similarity.


Well, it couldn't be the Lekgolo homeworld, since that planet is massive and has a gravitational pull on many G's. That would decrease jumping ability.

  • 06.12.2009 11:30 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Yeah, but when you go out of Orbital there is still gravity. The location doesn't change gameplay, don't try to be a smartass.

  • 06.12.2009 11:32 AM PDT

Multiplayer maps are in canon places. Like Valhalla is on the Ark, High Ground is on Earth, Orbital is in space. Where did you get the information that Sandbox is on Te? Just want to know. Wherever it is, it is definatly in a similar location to Sandtrap and Epitaph. Also, Sandtrap has to be near a location that the UNSC knew about, otherwise how could they be there to drive away the Brutes? So all in all, I think that this theory could work.

  • 06.12.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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There's a planet in sandbox's sky... there's a planet in the Epsilon Eridani system... my god, man, I think you are on to something! (I'm lying)

  • 06.12.2009 12:39 PM PDT

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Sandtrap and Epitaph were on the Ark, Sandbox is not. Noone really seems to know where it is.

  • 06.12.2009 12:43 PM PDT

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Te article

Notice in the article that it says that Te is a Gas Giant, a place compiled of: Nitrogen, helium and methane.
Lekgolo often inhabit the ring of debris that orbits Te.

Te is described as "a quite large, rocky planet" and goes on to say "This planet is also known to have fabulously rich heavy metal deposits and rare metal mines".

The most important part is where it says the planet itself is shrouded by thick gaseous clouds. This is a very visible thing on Sandbox.

Sandbox image

It's also known that the Forerunners actually named the Hunters, Lekgolo. Confirming that they once inhabited the planet and there are many vast relics on Te.
This may explain why the architecture there is extremely weathered and worn away, due to the conditions, it is likely that the Forerunner architecture there slowly decomposed over the space of 100,000 years.

Te is known to house many Forerunner Relics, well, look a the Guardian Towers.

Guardian Sentinel

There is a strong resemblence between this and the Guardian Tower, not only is this a real (but scrapped) Sentinel, it also says that its primary weapon is the eye that shoots highly concentrated lasers.

I'd link this all to Epitaph but it's all going to take too long and runs off the point. Compile all this evidence together and it is very likely that Sandbox is on Te. I don't see any evidence against it...

  • 06.12.2009 1:20 PM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Nah I disagree.

  • 06.13.2009 5:56 AM PDT

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Explain the Forerunner (assuming they are forerunner, which they most likely are) guardian towers, please.

  • 06.13.2009 6:09 AM PDT

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WTF! can't you guys just wait till the game comes out? jeez your just so impatient!

  • 06.13.2009 6:20 AM PDT

I think in reach, It's the flood returning. at games end, the flood was never really fully been wiped out of the game. we have yet to know where the flood came from, but I do see the familiar aspects of the two.

  • 06.13.2009 6:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Sandbox is located on/near Te, the Lekgolo homeworld. The planet description shares almost every similarity.

No, its not the home world of orange worms, it the Jirihalnae (brute) home world



[Edited on 06.13.2009 7:14 AM PDT]

  • 06.13.2009 7:11 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Posted by: William Stephens
I think in reach, It's the flood returning. at games end, the flood was never really fully been wiped out of the game. we have yet to know where the flood came from, but I do see the familiar aspects of the two.

Halo: Reach is a prequel. No Flood.

  • 06.13.2009 7:16 AM PDT

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I didnt even read it all, i looked at the two pictures and made up my mind. One of the planets its pratically blacked out so i dont see how u can live with you self saying it resembles that planet in the other picture :|


[Edited on 06.13.2009 7:24 AM PDT]

  • 06.13.2009 7:21 AM PDT

I'm a dude playing a dude desguised as another dude. I hate heritics, non-logical thoughts and people who are better than I am. People tell me that they like a lot of games, but I hate them all. Whenever I play a video game, I always go crawling back to Halo 3. Never go full retard!

Sandbag is not on Reach because Sandbag is on the Brute planet. If you play Sandtrap, the map with the big spaceship, you'll notice that both the terrain and the setting are pretty much the same. Bungie already told us that Sandtrap is on the Brute homeworld.

Regarding Sandtrap, a popular thread on Bungie.net explores the reasoning of Sandtrap and its relationships with the other maps. Many players have used the Pan Cam feature to explore the Aegis Fate. Many theories have risen, including one that claims that Epitaph is one of the six towers. The thread has over 10000 posts.

However, these members forget that it has already been confirmed that this map is actually set on the Brute homeworld, and not on somewhere on the Ark.

But now let's analyze Sandbag, which nearly resembles Sandtrap in terms of setting. "This endless wasteland still holds many secrets. Some of them are held more deeply than others."

As we all know, Sandbag is set in the midst of a barren desert surrounded by many rolling sand dunes, similar to Sandtrap. Large Forerunner towers can be seen in the distance, just as the other map. Bungie hinted that, similar to Sandtrap, the Covenant may have also conducted archaeological excavations here. The map is based at sunset, with a ringed gas giant in the sky, and a setting sun on the horizon. This planet was not seen near the Ark, so it isn't on the Ark.

As far as l'm aware, Reach doesn't have a terrain like that. Seeing as your only evidence that points Sandbag and Reach together is with that one planet, then l'd say you don't have much of a point going.

Sanbag takes place on the Brute homeworld, just like Sandtrap. lt isn't on Reach.

  • 06.13.2009 8:06 AM PDT

Posted by: TheBigJimboner
Posted by: William Stephens
I think in reach, It's the flood returning. at games end, the flood was never really fully been wiped out of the game. we have yet to know where the flood came from, but I do see the familiar aspects of the two.

Halo: Reach is a prequel. No Flood.


That's what everyone thought about Halo Wars.

  • 06.13.2009 8:30 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

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Posted by: TheBigJimboner
Posted by: William Stephens
I think in reach, It's the flood returning. at games end, the flood was never really fully been wiped out of the game. we have yet to know where the flood came from, but I do see the familiar aspects of the two.

Halo: Reach is a prequel. No Flood.


That's what everyone thought about Halo Wars.

True mate. But in 'The Fall of Reach' there is no mention of the Flood.

  • 06.13.2009 10:12 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Posted by: HaloKing343
Sandbag is not on Reach because Sandbag is on the Brute planet. If you play Sandtrap, the map with the big spaceship, you'll notice that both the terrain and the setting are pretty much the same. Bungie already told us that Sandtrap is on the Brute homeworld.

Regarding Sandtrap, a popular thread on Bungie.net explores the reasoning of Sandtrap and its relationships with the other maps. Many players have used the Pan Cam feature to explore the Aegis Fate. Many theories have risen, including one that claims that Epitaph is one of the six towers. The thread has over 10000 posts.

However, these members forget that it has already been confirmed that this map is actually set on the Brute homeworld, and not on somewhere on the Ark.

But now let's analyze Sandbag, which nearly resembles Sandtrap in terms of setting. "This endless wasteland still holds many secrets. Some of them are held more deeply than others."

As we all know, Sandbag is set in the midst of a barren desert surrounded by many rolling sand dunes, similar to Sandtrap. Large Forerunner towers can be seen in the distance, just as the other map. Bungie hinted that, similar to Sandtrap, the Covenant may have also conducted archaeological excavations here. The map is based at sunset, with a ringed gas giant in the sky, and a setting sun on the horizon. This planet was not seen near the Ark, so it isn't on the Ark.

As far as l'm aware, Reach doesn't have a terrain like that. Seeing as your only evidence that points Sandbag and Reach together is with that one planet, then l'd say you don't have much of a point going.

Sanbag takes place on the Brute homeworld, just like Sandtrap. lt isn't on Reach.

If you supply a quote that confirms Bungie saying that it is the Brute homeworld, and start getting your facts straight and calling it SANDBOX, instead of Sandbag, then I might start taking you seriously, otherwise, I'd say you don't have much of a point going.

  • 06.13.2009 10:16 AM PDT

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