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Subject: ** Theory ** NOVA-1, Charlie Company, and Sierra-257.

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: IX SPARTAN 458
but wasn't gamma the first team out?


Gamma was the 3rd batch of S-III. Alpha and Beta being the first two. The Teams themselves, only 3 remained on Onyx. About 300 Spartans had already left the planet on a "mission" which they never explain before the Onyx incident.



yea i shouldve read the link first. the ones that left early may be on reach

  • 06.15.2009 10:03 AM PDT

Posted by: Abscido Silence
One thing a lot of people forget about is SPARTAN 458, Nicole. She was a SPARTAN II and who number was well into the 400s. Granted, she was created only for the game DOA 4.
Also, there was another group of SPARTAN IIs after the ones led by John-117, but I have no idea when they came into service or even when their training began, so please don't hold my own idiocy against me.


why would i forget about her, shes my name!

  • 06.15.2009 10:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: IX SPARTAN 458
why would i forget about her, shes my name!
Because she was created for a DoA game.


Edit:

As i said before, this could explain the callsigns on the trailer.

Posted by: BTE
They were deployed only a few weeks after the first battle of Reach. I doubt the battle on Reach took less than "a few weeks"

330 Candidates which were all accepted, and all survived, so that could explain Spartan 257 and 320 callsigns from the trailer.


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  • 06.15.2009 10:09 AM PDT

lol i like doa also. but she isent cannon

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  • 06.15.2009 10:10 AM PDT

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This theory isn't bad, but even if they are referring to a NOVA bomb, they wouldn't call it NOVA-1.

They would use a call-sign to replace the word...

IE - Sierra:Spartan = Noble:Nova

  • 06.15.2009 10:30 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

How could I have been so stupid as to not see this?

  • 06.15.2009 10:31 AM PDT

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More speculation
Remote Scanning Outpost Fermion: Gamma station, this is Fermion RSO. Unconfirmed report of an in-system slipspace rupture.

REACH Orbital Station Gamma: Impossible. Check your source.

[Pause]

Fermion RSO: Reading multiple pings below the Orbital Defense Grid.

Gamma Station: Oh, this can't be happening.

Another Station Officer: There's no mistake. It's them.

Commander: Winter contingency has been declared. All units are mobilized and ready.

Spartan-320: This is Sierra 3-2-0, prepped for combat insertion.

[Nuke explosion]

Marine: What the hell was that?

Pilot: We're coming in hot. Hold on!

Marine: We just lost our bird!

Another Station Officer: Oh my god!

[Begin chatter; the following takes place all together]

Gamma Station: What the hell is happening down there? A city just dropped off my map.

Civilian/Marine: There are people down here!

Marine: We're falling back! Where's our evac!

Civilian/Marine: Indeterminable chatter

Marine: We're getting overrun. We're holding position as long as we can.

[End chatter]

Commander: I need you in that fight, Noble 1. [Pause] Noble 1, come in. Noble 1, do you read me?

Spartan-259: This is Sierra 2-5-9. You got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

  • 06.15.2009 11:01 AM PDT

good stuff i really hope they follow the book as closely as you suspect

  • 06.15.2009 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: IX SPARTAN 458
Posted by: Max2107
Spartan III Gamma Company received deployment orders after the Battle of Reach.



well there we go, i guess i was wrong. but i still want to know who sierra 320 is.
It's possible that 320+ children were surveyed, 150 became the selected candidates, and 75 were inducted into the Spartan program due to budget restraints. This could explain the high numbers of -259 and -320.

  • 06.15.2009 12:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
well there we go, i guess i was wrong. but i still want to know who sierra 320 is.[/quote]It's possible that 320+ children were surveyed, 150 became the selected candidates, and 75 were inducted into the Spartan program due to budget restraints. This could explain the high numbers of -259 and -320.


People just assume that just because they were 150 candidates the number stops at 150.

This is something no one can clearly state as a fact until we get more information from Bungie. Im crossing my fingers its S-III.... chances are that i will get disappointed.

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Wow... amazing and incredibly well-thought out/researched theory. Much kudos. This was DEFINITELY worth the read. Very good job.

  • 06.15.2009 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: BTE
People just assume that just because they were 150 candidates the number stops at 150.

This is something no one can clearly state as a fact until we get more information from Bungie. Im crossing my fingers its S-III.... chances are that i will get disappointed.
SIII identification system not only relied on numbers, but letters as well. For example, Tom-B292, Beta Company, Spartan 292.

  • 06.15.2009 1:04 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Rather well thought out, my only nitpick would be that depending on what kind of sound system your using, without an official transcript it's hard to tell whether or not the guy is saying noble 1, or mobile 1 in the trailer. I've listend a few times to distinguish this on my 5.1 system and each time it could be taken each way.

At least this is plausible though, not about time travel lol.

  • 06.15.2009 1:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Max2107
SIII identification system not only relied on numbers, but letters as well. For example, Tom-B292, Beta Company, Spartan 292.

Touche.

You sir have made a good point which i seem to have skipped over. Any other theories? Anyone?

  • 06.15.2009 1:11 PM PDT
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Spartan-III's were never showed to the public or other military forces. Like I said earlier, Dr. Halsey didn't even know of their existence and she is in ONI. Spartan-III's were sent on suicide missions as well as other top secret missions. Mission like described in the books Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. Having Spartan-III's in Halo: Reach would be completely changing the whole entire Halo Series story.

It would ruin GoO's whole purpose as well as it's actual canon facts. It would also ruin FoR's canon and facts. It would be one of the most unproffesional moves by Bungie to change major canon in two of the best Halo books. There were 30 spartan-II's on Reach, why can't we just accept that we actually know what the game will most likely be about? People WANT to play as Spartan-III's so they try to make themselves believe that we will.


Edit: Tom and the rest of the Spartans had their company letter in their servie number. Spartan-B292, Spartan-G088, Spartan-G003. Just a few example from Ghosts of Onyx.

[Edited on 06.15.2009 1:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2009 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Nitemare 43
Spartan-III's were never showed to the public or other military forces. Like I said earlier, Dr. Halsey didn't even know of their existence and she is in ONI. Spartan-III's were sent on suicide missions as well as other top secret missions. Mission like described in the books Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. Having Spartan-III's in Halo: Reach would be completely changing the whole entire Halo Series story.
Why would it ruin the whole Halo Series? Because you say so?

  • 06.15.2009 1:27 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Nitemare 43
Spartan-III's were never showed to the public or other military forces. Like I said earlier, Dr. Halsey didn't even know of their existence and she is in ONI. Spartan-III's were sent on suicide missions as well as other top secret missions. Mission like described in the books Halo: Ghosts of Onyx. Having Spartan-III's in Halo: Reach would be completely changing the whole entire Halo Series story.
Why would it ruin the whole Halo Series? Because you say so?


It would ruin it's continuity, being as the S-III's had high-profile scuicide missions that the companies did not return from. Each campaign was closely monitored and results scrutinized by the ONI brass that were involved. By the time the final company was deployed (Gamma I think) it was too late for them to be on Reach during the Covenants main attack on it.

Add to that that Ackerson despised Halsey and her S-II's, I see no way he would allow his science project to save them in any capacity. The inclusion may be possible, but incredibly unlikely.

  • 06.15.2009 1:36 PM PDT
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Read the second part of my post. That is the truth and everyone here knows that. The only way you would let Bungie ruin and change the Halo story and books as well as disagree is if you are completely obsessed with playing as or seeing spartan-III's. Let's be realistic here.

  • 06.15.2009 1:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: SweetTRIX
It would ruin it's continuity, being as the S-III's had high-profile scuicide missions that the companies did not return from. Each campaign was closely monitored and results scrutinized by the ONI brass that were involved. By the time the final company was deployed (Gamma I think) it was too late for them to be on Reach during the Covenants main attack on it.

Add to that that Ackerson despised Halsey and her S-II's, I see no way he would allow his science project to save them in any capacity. The inclusion may be possible, but incredibly unlikely.
I agree it would be incredibly unlikely.

As for the high profile missions. Well, Reach was the second most important planet next to Earth. The fact that they left a few weeks after the first Battle of Reach might mean that they got an order to either protect the place or to destroy some Covenant command post or shipyard to prevent them from advancing further. Remember, once Reach fell, it would only be a matter of time before Earth would fall. The game changes once they have cornered you and even though Ackerson was an A$$, i don't think he had the final word on what his Spartans would and wouldn't do.

Posted by: Nitemare 43
Read the second part of my post. That is the truth and everyone here knows that. The only way you would let Bungie ruin and change the Halo story and books as well as disagree is if you are completely obsessed with playing as or seeing spartan-III's. Let's be realistic here.
You could say im a little obsessed. I blame it on the whole article coming out before Halo 3 that said that there were more Spartans in the campaign. Again, having 300 Spartans wouldn't change the story in Reach or GoO. Yes, there were a number of Spartans that went to Reach, by the time the 300 would get to Reach chances are that the group of known Spartans would've already gone away to Onyx. There are 14 unnamed Spartans that should still be on Reach that we know nothing about and they didn't leave with the others.


Again, im almost sure they wont be in the game, im just debating for the sake of it. Better to talk about something that even though its highly improbable its not as dumb or implausible as the 50000 threads about project Natal, Time travel, Sam being in the game or 259 being Malcom

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The only issue I have with this is Mitchell. He was dead before he could even realize they were plummeting.

  • 06.15.2009 1:49 PM PDT

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Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: SweetTRIX
It would ruin it's continuity, being as the S-III's had high-profile scuicide missions that the companies did not return from. Each campaign was closely monitored and results scrutinized by the ONI brass that were involved. By the time the final company was deployed (Gamma I think) it was too late for them to be on Reach during the Covenants main attack on it.

Add to that that Ackerson despised Halsey and her S-II's, I see no way he would allow his science project to save them in any capacity. The inclusion may be possible, but incredibly unlikely.
I agree it would be incredibly unlikely.

As for the high profile missions. Well, Reach was the second most important planet next to Earth. The fact that they left a few weeks after the first Battle of Reach might mean that they got an order to either protect the place or to destroy some Covenant command post or shipyard to prevent them from advancing further. Remember, once Reach fell, it would only be a matter of time before Earth would fall. The game changes once they have cornered you and even though Ackerson was an -blam!-, i don't think he had the final word on what his Spartans would and wouldn't do.


I gotta grab the book and verify the dates, I do not believe that Gamma's deployment was that close to the attack on Reach. That aside though, the S-III's are a strike team, not a response force (as of The Ghosts of Onyx). This makes their inclusion even less likely. But yes, if Bungie decided to bend their own rules a bit, they may make an appearance, though it is highly unlikely.

In regards to Ackerson and the S-III's, that man is involved heavily in the decisions made for them, he runs that program. All orders go through him before they get to Ambrose, he could easily fudge something out of spite.

  • 06.15.2009 1:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: SweetTRIX
I gotta grab the book and verify the dates, I do not believe that Gamma's deployment was that close to the attack on Reach. That aside though, the S-III's are a strike team, not a response force (as of The Ghosts of Onyx). This makes their inclusion even less likely. But yes, if Bungie decided to bend their own rules a bit, they may make an appearance, though it is highly unlikely.

In regards to Ackerson and the S-III's, that man is involved heavily in the decisions made for them, he runs that program. All orders go through him before they get to Ambrose, he could easily fudge something out of spite.
I have to do the same. The whole "weeks" before the First Battle of Reach i got from Halopedia and well that could be unreliable.

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Doesn't anyone find the whole
"Wer'e coming in hot, hold on!" We just lost our bird."

That easily goes along with Fred and the Spartan-II's heading to the surface.

Pelicans are referred to birds in the book.
They say this after Reach is attacked meaning they had the small delay of being ordered and prepping to go just like in the book.

If it were a bunc of marines in the pelican they would most likely have died from the plasma hit. A marine isn't going to jump out of a pelican and say, "we just lost our bird." and then fall to his death. These are clues that go along with the Spartan-II's.

  • 06.15.2009 1:59 PM PDT

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The only issue I have with this is Mitchell. He was dead before he could even realize they were plummeting.
But he was still alive and evading the Seraphs, with afterburners on, so they were still flying to the surface extremely fast, and since they were being pursued, it would definitely be a hot drop...

  • 06.15.2009 2:05 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: BTE
Posted by: SweetTRIX
I gotta grab the book and verify the dates, I do not believe that Gamma's deployment was that close to the attack on Reach. That aside though, the S-III's are a strike team, not a response force (as of The Ghosts of Onyx). This makes their inclusion even less likely. But yes, if Bungie decided to bend their own rules a bit, they may make an appearance, though it is highly unlikely.

In regards to Ackerson and the S-III's, that man is involved heavily in the decisions made for them, he runs that program. All orders go through him before they get to Ambrose, he could easily fudge something out of spite.
I have to do the same. The whole "weeks" before the First Battle of Reach i got from Halopedia and well that could be unreliable.


The only gap I could find was August 2552 (The attach on Reach, The Fall of Reach novel) and October 2552 (When Kurt was training remnants of Gamma on Onyx, The Ghosts of Onyx). Considering the 3 month gap, anything could be written into existence, but the time it takes for UNSC frigates to travle through slipspace, I don't think there would be any practical reason for the S-III's mobilization, unless there are some more firm dates out there. I cannot find my copy of First Strike.

  • 06.15.2009 2:07 PM PDT