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Posted by: Dream053
The only issue I have with this is Mitchell. He was dead before he could even realize they were plummeting.
But he was still alive and evading the Seraphs, with afterburners on, so they were still flying to the surface extremely fast, and since they were being pursued, it would definitely be a hot drop...

My mistake, my eyes must have played tricks. I'd thought you listed Mitchell under "We just lost our bird!"

  • 06.15.2009 8:04 PM PDT

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well there we go, i guess i was wrong. but i still want to know who sierra 320 is.[/quote]It's possible that 320+ children were surveyed, 150 became the selected candidates, and 75 were inducted into the Spartan program due to budget restraints. This could explain the high numbers of -259 and -320.


People just assume that just because they were 150 candidates the number stops at 150.

This is something no one can clearly state as a fact until we get more information from Bungie. Im crossing my fingers its S-III.... chances are that i will get disappointed.


Yay finally someone that gets it

this man is a genius.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
well there we go, i guess i was wrong. but i still want to know who sierra 320 is.[/quote]It's possible that 320+ children were surveyed, 150 became the selected candidates, and 75 were inducted into the Spartan program due to budget restraints. This could explain the high numbers of -259 and -320.


People just assume that just because they were 150 candidates the number stops at 150.

This is something no one can clearly state as a fact until we get more information from Bungie. Im crossing my fingers its S-III.... chances are that i will get disappointed.


Yay finally someone that gets it

this man is a genius.

He's not the only one >_>.

  • 06.15.2009 8:20 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: SweetTRIX
The only gap I could find was August 2552 (The attach on Reach, The Fall of Reach novel) and October 2552 (When Kurt was training remnants of Gamma on Onyx, The Ghosts of Onyx). Considering the 3 month gap, anything could be written into existence, but the time it takes for UNSC frigates to travle through slipspace, I don't think there would be any practical reason for the S-III's mobilization, unless there are some more firm dates out there. I cannot find my copy of First Strike.
Im in the same situation. I gave my friend the books, i'll probably get them back when i go to his house soon. The thing is that the whole S-III has always bothered me alot.

Also remember that the S-III left on a mission but three teams were left behind to compete for top honors and such. What does this tell us? The mission wasn't that important when they just left the best 3 teams on Onyx. Maybe some armor upgrade they would get or something minor (again this is pure speculation since we just dont have any information to back anything up). That might mean that they weren't anywhere close to Onyx and their jump to either Earth or Reach would be faster.

Why my obsession with Earth and Reach? Again, it is stated that Reach was the most important planet after Earth. Just giving it up would not be an option. Look at Harvest. The battle for Harvest took a long time in all and originally Harvest was just some crappy planet (later we learn about the forerunner artifacts and such, but when you think about it Reach seems more important than Harvest and it also seems to have Forerunner artifacts. As for Earth it is the most important planet to the human race so going there after getting the notice that Reach was attacked also seems like a smart idea since it was stated that after Reach fell, Earth would be what the covenant would hit. What can kill the whole Earth argument? Well, when Master Chief is on Earth (in Halo 3) we never hear about any S-III.


Feel free to point out any plotholes or any major flaws in my theory.





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As to anyone quoting the Ilovebees and whatnot. I have my serious doubts about this even being canon even if Frankie has said it is. The whole S-II class 2 thing seems highly improbable especially when Hasley herself puts the project on hold.

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  • 06.15.2009 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
well there we go, i guess i was wrong. but i still want to know who sierra 320 is.[/quote]It's possible that 320+ children were surveyed, 150 became the selected candidates, and 75 were inducted into the Spartan program due to budget restraints. This could explain the high numbers of -259 and -320.


People just assume that just because they were 150 candidates the number stops at 150.

This is something no one can clearly state as a fact until we get more information from Bungie. Im crossing my fingers its S-III.... chances are that i will get disappointed.


Yay finally someone that gets it

this man is a genius.

He's not the only one >_>.


Finally! INELEGANCE! lol. Nice thread Btw

  • 06.15.2009 10:07 PM PDT

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Being that I personally believe the person in the trailer says "NOBLE-One" i don't fully agree with what you are saying so -me being me- I remembered a little nugget of information that i believe could help to "disprove" this theory...Spartan TWO five nine. Well the first class of Spartan II's numbers (as in John-117, Kurt-051) only went up to 150 because there were 150 candidates. Spartan 259 would then, theoretically, be in the second batch of Spartan II's (Numbers from 150-??). What i'm getting at is, as far as i am aware, there were only first batch Spartans with Fred when they landed on Reach so then Spartan-259 would not be with Fred...I mean, does it at any point in the book say that the Spartans met up with this second batch of Spartans (That CPO Mendez went off to train...says so in the books :P) ?

I posted my theory about Spartan-259 being a second batch on another thread and somebody told me that the 2 part of 259 some how symbolised the fact he was a Spartan II and that S259 was then in theory Malcolm-059. I countered this theory by asking "Has any other Spartan ever been refferred to with the 2 part before?" and by this i mean "Has MC ever been called "Spartan 2117" ?" or "Was Kurt called Kurt-2051?". (I posted that little bit to knock down that counter theory...to my counter theory :P)

Another bit of info that helps me counter the counter to my counter is that, as far as i am aware, the Spartan I project (Or Project ORION) was never released to the public so as far as the public is aware, the Spartan II's ARE the first batch of Spartans so they would not refer to them with a 2...if they DID put their batch number before it then John would be John-1117 and then if they called him that they would be suggesting that they knew about a second, future Spartan project... oh and by public i mean civillians, UNSC...basically everyone but ONI


Sorry 'bout that...kinda trailed off at the end but basically the first paragraph was the most important one.

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  • 06.15.2009 10:22 PM PDT

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I highly doubt that the multi-million dollar SPARTAN Program only had one phase of screening potential candidates (the 150). My bet is 320+ were surveyed, but 150 of the most optimal candidates were selected, and then they were cut in half.

  • 06.15.2009 10:59 PM PDT

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Yes but Halsey says that these are effectively the only children, that they have access to, with the correct genes to survive the augmentations. Hell, the majority of the 75 of the 150 that got in were either killed in the process or severly physically handicapped...that is how selective the procedure is.

And on the subject of "Well what about the Spartan III's?"...It was said that some the Spartan III's weren't the optimal people for the job (genes wise) so they obviously "used up" most of the people with decent genes in the first and theoretical second batch. Oh and a second batch is possible because more people will have been born with the sufficient genes in the years between the first and second batches start times.

  • 06.15.2009 11:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
The only gap I could find was August 2552 (The attach on Reach, The Fall of Reach novel) and October 2552 (When Kurt was training remnants of Gamma on Onyx, The Ghosts of Onyx). Considering the 3 month gap, anything could be written into existence, but the time it takes for UNSC frigates to travle through slipspace, I don't think there would be any practical reason for the S-III's mobilization, unless there are some more firm dates out there. I cannot find my copy of First Strike.
Im in the same situation. I gave my friend the books, i'll probably get them back when i go to his house soon. The thing is that the whole S-III has always bothered me alot.

Also remember that the S-III left on a mission but three teams were left behind to compete for top honors and such. What does this tell us? The mission wasn't that important when they just left the best 3 teams on Onyx. Maybe some armor upgrade they would get or something minor (again this is pure speculation since we just dont have any information to back anything up). That might mean that they weren't anywhere close to Onyx and their jump to either Earth or Reach would be faster.

Why my obsession with Earth and Reach? Again, it is stated that Reach was the most important planet after Earth. Just giving it up would not be an option. Look at Harvest. The battle for Harvest took a long time in all and originally Harvest was just some crappy planet (later we learn about the forerunner artifacts and such, but when you think about it Reach seems more important than Harvest and it also seems to have Forerunner artifacts. As for Earth it is the most important planet to the human race so going there after getting the notice that Reach was attacked also seems like a smart idea since it was stated that after Reach fell, Earth would be what the covenant would hit. What can kill the whole Earth argument? Well, when Master Chief is on Earth (in Halo 3) we never hear about any S-III.


In regards to how the UNSC would regards Reach, you need to remember that Harvest was fought for the way it was because that was the first official battleground between the UNSC and the Covenant. It was also a battle that took place in a time before the UNSC was aware of how the Covenant operates, take what they want on the ground, get beaten back/finish objectives, and glass the planet.

Based on that knowledge I don't think that the UNSC would piss away more assets than necessary on a "lost cause" even if that cause was Reach. If they held it in that high a regard, enough to mobilize such a secretive strike force as the S-III's, the would have mobilized more ships as well. By the time MC arrived back at Reach after the events of Halo CE there wasn't much going in there in the way of support, so I don't think the assumption that the UNSC brass would pull out all the stops to save Reach is warranted.

  • 06.16.2009 12:04 AM PDT

Im not sure if i want S-IIIs in the game because it would be more like ODST. which isn't a bad thing, but id rather be a S-II fighting an overwhelming covenant horde. If the spartans where S-IIIs it would explain the number. But they may be S-IIs using wired call signs.

  • 06.16.2009 8:44 AM PDT

Best theory I have seen.

  • 06.16.2009 9:38 AM PDT

Sorry, I just watched the trailer and cranked the sound. He is very clearly say NOBLE-1.

  • 06.16.2009 9:49 AM PDT

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We're overrun. We'll hold this position as long as we can...
The remaining Charlie Company marines attempt to hold out after the bombing, but they are all (except for 4) killed by the Covenant stragglers.


Its been a while since I've read First Strike and that all sounds plausible. I do think I remember reading in the book that one of the Spartans said they were being overrun while defending the orbital generators while Fred, Kelly and Joshua destroy the Covenant ship nearby. I'm going to read the book now to find out for sure but I'm positive that a Spartan said they were being overrun.

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Yeah, he said that they lost reactor complex seven, and they would try to save number three. But I think that it would fit in better with the chronology if it was the marines, who were overrun before the Spartans got there (because the generators got glassed after the Spartans were overrun, so S-259 wouldnt be there to say "youve got Spartans on the ground."

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Ye i wasnt sure what the quote was I'm still trying to find my copy of First Strike but you could be right but then again you never know untill it comes out.

  • 06.16.2009 10:10 AM PDT

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I like the fact that this theory does not assume that all the radio chatter is happening in real time. As if communications over a longer period of time had been condensed down to represent a series of events.

  • 06.16.2009 10:11 AM PDT

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I will try to parallel the dialogue in the trailer with what happened during the battle of Reach:

Winter contingency has been declared. All units are mobilized and ready.
This voice sounds suspiciously like Captain Keyes' but I could be wrong. He could have been speaking about the Spartans aboard the PoA being ready to be deployed.

Sierra-320: This is Sierra three-two-zero, prepped for combat insertion.
The Spartans begin their combat insertion.

We're coming in hot. Hold on!
Could be Mitchell talking to the Spartans in the aft of the Pelican as they are being pursued by Seraphs.

We just lost our bird!
One of the Spartans, possibly Fred, reporting that their Pelican has been downed, and they end up jumping to the surface of Reach.

Holy God...
The Covenant land infantry near the Orbital Defense Generator facilities.

What the hell is happening down there?
HIGHCOM panicks, thinking the Covenant are getting too close, so they begin bombing the battling forces... Covenant... and the marines defending the fafility.

There's still people down here!
The Charlie Company marines (possibly NOVA-1) try to call off the friendly-fire carpet bombing, to no avail.

We're overrun. We'll hold this position as long as we can...
The remaining Charlie Company marines attempt to hold out after the bombing, but they are all (except for 4) killed by the Covenant stragglers.


I need you in that fight, "Nova one". "Nova-One", come in. "Nove-One", do you read me?
The man is asking for NOVA-1, one of the two lieutenants in charge of Charlie Company, originally sent to retrieve the NOVA bomb, but then repurposed to defend the orbital defense facility so that the fight in space could continue.

This is Sierra two-five nine. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.
When the Spartans reached the orbital defence facility, Fred was talking to Whitcomb about getting him an evac. It is possible that while he was busy talking to the ground-side Vice Admiral, that the space-side Admiral Roland Freemont was trying to get in touch with NOVA-1, who was KIA in the generator bombing. Spartan-259 could have answered "This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere."


I agree. The entire above radio chetter happened within a minute or so during the teaser but in the book that kind of radio chatter may have occurred over an hour or more. We don't know for sure how long it took for the Spartans to leave the PoA and encounter Charlie Company. It may have been condensed for the trailer maybe?

  • 06.16.2009 10:43 AM PDT

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I like the fact that this theory does not assume that all the radio chatter is happening in real time. As if communications over a longer period of time had been condensed down to represent a series of events.


Likewise, I don't see how it could considering it's only a teaser. But then again I guess most people would assume as much.

  • 06.16.2009 8:04 PM PDT

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I know why Reach Fell!!!! Because command couldn't tell if they were calling NOBLE-1 or NOVA-1 if only they had better coms.

  • 06.16.2009 8:16 PM PDT

Its Noble 1, btw Due to so many cover ups thanks to ONI its unknown how many spartans are really out there, so far to date there are only up to under two dozen Spartans alive. Nova was technically a Honey comb of nukes surrounding one mega nuke under Reaches surface in the empty mining catacombs under ONI's Castle. Nova was supposed to be detonated by Dr. Halsey, but seeing as how Admiral Whitcomb and Dr. Halsey Both left, the only furthor explenation to support my theory of what happend to the Nova bomb, is that it was excavated by the covenant and put on a ship for later salvage,

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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

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Its Noble 1, btw Due to so many cover ups thanks to ONI its unknown how many spartans are really out there, so far to date there are only up to under two dozen Spartans alive.
What do you mean by "to date"?

At least 25 Spartans were alive at the time of the Battle of Reach. They numbers are weird though, in FoR they say its a number then on FS they say its another number.

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There is also the Spartan Black Ops team that works in secret for ONI. They have Mark VI prototype suits and I don't think they were on Reach during the battle but we will have to wait for the comic to come out and see if they survive through that story, they are also class ones, so for all you class two fanatics.

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There is also the Spartan Black Ops team that works in secret for ONI. They have Mark VI prototype suits and I don't think they were on Reach during the battle but we will have to wait for the comic to come out and see if they survive through that story, they are also class ones, so for all you class two fanatics.
Do you think that the Spartans in BLACK could be some of the Spartans from the REACH banner? Or maybe they are the reason for the inconsistency between the numbers of Spartans.

  • 06.22.2009 8:19 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

I'm guessing 259 was a number devised to give a slight scare to any Covenant listening in. The only reasonable answer I can muster from a call number that high. It could be a transmission from a spartan of Team Beta, Generator Defense. I like how well thought out this is, but no matter how much I listen all I hear is Noble-1.

  • 06.22.2009 8:30 PM PDT