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Subject: Some point form things that Bungie Failed too see

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-The recoil of guns would be higher, or more intense. Or the SMG would climb up faster from the recoil.

-You could not throw a grenade as far (<--cancel this out, approved that you can not throw a grenade like in halo 3)

-melee/damage of melee

-Ability too use melee weapons such as Gravity hammer + Sword. How could an ODST
lunge with either of those weapons? Also, the ODST would kill himself with the hammer..1:54 is an odst holding a hammer in the background

-Ability to board a vehicle and stay on, well, maybe an odst could. But if you could Skyjack, then that would be far-fetched.

-And for vehicles such as the Wraith, how could you throw a grenade in? You could from the back though (on a Wraith).

-Not 100% sure, but I think the pistol is smart linked (like in halo:ce), but how would the smart link work with an ODST? or would it work fine?

-Apparently you can drive vehicles. If you would crash, it would be much more dramatic. Do not forget, if you were too flip it would also hurt you.

-How would an ODST flip a vehicle (if you could, assuming there are vehicles you can drive)

-How could you rip off a turret? 3:37

-How could you shoot that ripped off turret? Because it says Spartans can barely even shoot a ripped off turret.
0:40-0:56 after watching this, you'll notice that it seems a little off. He's shooting the turret full blast for 16 seconds jumping around n' such.

Im not saying it sucks
and theres a lot more good things for odst that bungie DID inlcude.
Edit: and I know it's a video game. Just sayin'. Keep the flames away from my face.

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  • 06.13.2009 10:46 PM PDT
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Solution= ODST is a VIDEO GAME!

  • 06.13.2009 10:48 PM PDT
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Solution= ODST is a VIDEO GAME!


ahh. I got cought with the most generic answer in the world.

  • 06.13.2009 10:51 PM PDT
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"If marijuana is not legal within the next five years I have no faith left in humanity, period. Everyone likes smoking weed. They have for thousands of years. They're not going to stop anytime soon. You know? It makes everything better. Makes food taste better, makes music better. It makes sex feel better for God's sake. It makes -blam!- movies better you know?"

Who seriously cares? They could flip an elephant for all I care the game is meant to be a fun and enjoyable experience. Keep realisticness(I made it a word) to the book or a future console that could turn it into an awesome thing.

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  • 06.13.2009 10:55 PM PDT

You better close this sig when your done.

It was obvious that would be said. You included it at the end of your post.

The only thing I really have a problem with is the hammer. Everything else is just fine.

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The only thing separating ODST from another CoD or Medal of Honor game is the superhuman unrealistic abilities. Thats probably why

  • 06.13.2009 10:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
-The recoil of guns would be higher, or more intense. Or the SMG would climb up faster from the recoil.

The SMG is silenced which reduces recoil. Also, it's the friggin' future - deal with it.

-You could not throw a grenade as far

From the demo videos I have seen, you can't.

-melee/damage of melee

A person who has played the demo at E3 has stated that the melee felt weaker (see redm0nkey's thread)

-Ability too use melee weapons such as Gravity hammer + Sword. How could an ODST
lunge with either of those weapons? Also, the ODST would kill himself with the hammer..

redm0nkey did not see these weapons.

-Ability to board a vehicle and stay on, well, maybe an odst could. But if you could Skyjack, then that would be far-fetched.

Skyjacking has not been confirmed. ODSTs can, however, destroy a vehicle via 'jacking' (without the jack) <-- Unconfirmed, thought I saw it somewhere.

-And for vehicles such as the Wraith, how could you throw a grenade in? You could from the back though (on a Wraith).

See above.

-Not 100% sure, but I think the pistol is smart linked (like in halo:ce), but how would the smart link work with an ODST? or would it work fine?

If the ODST is equipped with an amazing HUD, I'm sure a smart link is possible.

-Apparently you can drive vehicles. If you would crash, it would be much more dramatic. Do not forget, if you were too flip it would also hurt you.

Duh?

-How would an ODST flip a vehicle (if you could, assuming there are vehicles you can drive)

Dunno, haven't seen it in the demo.

-How could you rip off a turret?

I've seen a turret breaking via wraith shell and then being used on the go, but I'll have to check a demo video to confirm that turrets can be ripped off.

-How could you shoot that ripped off turret? Because it says Spartans can barely even shoot a ripped off turret.

Show where it says that. Also, ODSTs are magical.

Im not saying it sucks
and theres a lot more good things for odst that bungie DID inlcude.
Edit: and I know it's a video game. Just sayin'.


Answered following OP's questions.

  • 06.13.2009 10:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bigfoot1010
Who seriously cares? They could flip an elephant for all I care the game is meant to be a fun and enjoyable. Keep realisticness(I made it a word) to the book or a future console that could turn it into an awesome thing.


The other generic answer. I know, I know, its a game n' such. Just saying some things bungie saw through or did not include. Like I said, it's still (probably) going to be a great game and bungie added more right-from-wrong things anyways.

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Two movies you should watch: Fight Club and Pineapple Express

"Wait. What do you mean, it's dead?"
"If marijuana is not legal within the next five years I have no faith left in humanity, period. Everyone likes smoking weed. They have for thousands of years. They're not going to stop anytime soon. You know? It makes everything better. Makes food taste better, makes music better. It makes sex feel better for God's sake. It makes -blam!- movies better you know?"

Well we still have a few months before its release so they might fix these things or... they are just included for Firefight for help when things get difficult.

  • 06.13.2009 11:03 PM PDT

You better close this sig when your done.

@Imbosol:
I saw an ODST pick up the hammer in one of the videos and I've seen ODST's in firefight holding turrets

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I admit the answers are generic, but they are the most logical. Do you want to just be a weak, easily killed ODST for an entire game?

  • 06.13.2009 11:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
-The recoil of guns would be higher, or more intense. Or the SMG would climb up faster from the recoil.

The SMG is silenced which reduces recoil. Also, it's the friggin' future - deal with it.

-You could not throw a grenade as far

From the demo videos I have seen, you can't.

-melee/damage of melee

A person who has played the demo at E3 has stated that the melee felt weaker (see redm0nkey's thread)

-Ability too use melee weapons such as Gravity hammer + Sword. How could an ODST
lunge with either of those weapons? Also, the ODST would kill himself with the hammer..

redm0nkey did not see these weapons.

-Ability to board a vehicle and stay on, well, maybe an odst could. But if you could Skyjack, then that would be far-fetched.

Skyjacking has not been confirmed. ODSTs can, however, destroy a vehicle via 'jacking' (without the jack) <-- Unconfirmed, thought I saw it somewhere.

-And for vehicles such as the Wraith, how could you throw a grenade in? You could from the back though (on a Wraith).

See above.

-Not 100% sure, but I think the pistol is smart linked (like in halo:ce), but how would the smart link work with an ODST? or would it work fine?

If the ODST is equipped with an amazing HUD, I'm sure a smart link is possible.

-Apparently you can drive vehicles. If you would crash, it would be much more dramatic. Do not forget, if you were too flip it would also hurt you.

Duh?

-How would an ODST flip a vehicle (if you could, assuming there are vehicles you can drive)

Dunno, haven't seen it in the demo.

-How could you rip off a turret?

I've seen a turret breaking via wraith shell and then being used on the go, but I'll have to check a demo video to confirm that turrets can be ripped off.

-How could you shoot that ripped off turret? Because it says Spartans can barely even shoot a ripped off turret.

Show where it says that. Also, ODSTs are magical.

Im not saying it sucks
and theres a lot more good things for odst that bungie DID inlcude.
Edit: and I know it's a video game. Just sayin'.


Answered following OP's questions.


Thank you for your criticism, instead of "omg its a game".
Response to some questions:
-I saw odsts hold hammers + swords in videos.
-I saw an ODST rip off a turret in a video.

  • 06.13.2009 11:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
Thank you for your criticism, instead of "omg its a game".
Response to some questions:
-I saw odsts hold hammers + swords in videos.
-I saw an ODST rip off a turret in a video.

Seriously? Link me! D:

  • 06.13.2009 11:11 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

Posted by: Go Vader
Do you want to just be a weak, easily killed ODST for an entire game?

Yes, as it was the point of the game.

  • 06.13.2009 11:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Go Vader
I admit the answers are generic, but they are the most logical. Do you want to just be a weak, easily killed ODST for an entire game?


No, which is why i'm not complaining for the fact that the ODST regenerate stamina (shields).
Seeing post above, i also do somewhat, for a more tactical approach.

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Answer: ODSTs are awesome.

  • 06.13.2009 11:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
Thank you for your criticism, instead of "omg its a game".
Response to some questions:
-I saw odsts hold hammers + swords in videos.
-I saw an ODST rip off a turret in a video.

Seriously? Link me! D:


umm I do not remember the names, they were linked videos from forums.
But for the turret, 3:37

  • 06.13.2009 11:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
Posted by: Imbosol
Posted by: Kyro Thanatos
Thank you for your criticism, instead of "omg its a game".
Response to some questions:
-I saw odsts hold hammers + swords in videos.
-I saw an ODST rip off a turret in a video.

Seriously? Link me! D:


umm I do not remember the names, they were linked videos from forums.
But for the turret, 3:37


Dang! Now I just need to find the video with the swords/gravity hammers.

  • 06.13.2009 11:25 PM PDT
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Let me enlighten you on something.

I'm not sure if Bungie's system works in a similar fashion but I once manage to sit in with designers of a game here in a Singaporean Company. They wanted to make a realistic, yet fun, Military Shooter. They were having a discussion on how much realism they wanted to add and how to balance it with the fun.

They took a marker, went to the whiteboard and wrote "Realism VS Fun" on it. And they started brainstorming on what were the features they already had in the game and which path (Realistic or Fun) they want to adapt the features to suit. It's not probably what they always do but it gave me a good idea of how their design process works and I'm sure Bungie also had to weigh in what they need to keep in a Halo game to keep it fun.

And hence we've come to this situation. Its for gameplay purposes.

  • 06.13.2009 11:26 PM PDT

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-The recoil for a Spartan is more accurate to an ODST. It shouldn't recoil at all for a Spartan.

-This is true, too, however the Marines in Halo 3's Campaign throw extremely accurately.

-Another true tidbit, but wouldn't that make Meleeing useless?

-Balancing. Not realism.

-Balancing. Not realism.

-Balancing. Not realism.

-Neural Interface.

-Balancing. Not realism.

-Marines could flip vehicles in Halo 3's campaign. What's the point of driving a vehicle if a random grenade flips it and you can no longer use it?

-Balancing. Not realism.

-Balancing. Not realism.

I agree that many of those should be tweaked or excluded since you're an ODST. Some things like the SMG climb and Laser recoil look more realistic when an ODST uses it than when a Spartan uses it. The main point, however, is that this is a video game. A tougher video game than Halo 3. If Bungie removes too much then even Heroic would be next to impossible. The simplest choice you have if you disagree is... Not do it.

"Oh, wow, that's so ghey that you can board vehicles! Screw you Bungie!" You don't have to. Getting that close to a vehicle anyway as a pathetic ODST would probably be more likely to kill you. Using a melee weapon. Using the turret. All more likely just to get you killed.

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About the ODST's holding and firing turrets,

If you look closely in the videos, they are not the same as the turrets in Halo 3. They lack a shield in the front and look somewhat lighter/smaller.

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  • 06.13.2009 11:38 PM PDT

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I agree that many of those should be tweaked or excluded since you're an ODST. Some things like the SMG climb and Laser recoil look more realistic when an ODST uses it than when a Spartan uses it. The main point, however, is that this is a video game. A tougher video game than Halo 3. If Bungie removes too much then even Heroic would be next to impossible. The simplest choice you have if you disagree is... Not do it.

"Oh, wow, that's so ghey that you can board vehicles! Screw you Bungie!" You don't have to. Getting that close to a vehicle anyway as a pathetic ODST would probably be more likely to kill you. Using a melee weapon. Using the turret. All more likely just to get you killed.


true, true. But i'm not angry by any of these "facts". It just seemed a little off, and wanted too let other people know if they were curious.
Also, when ODST was released to the public, I thought of it as a more tactical game, making legendary.. truely legendary. But, true, you have too make the game fun and try to be realistic, which doesn't seem to be that easy sometimes.

  • 06.13.2009 11:39 PM PDT

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About the ODST's holding and firing turrets,

If you look closely in the videos, they are not the same as the turrets in Halo 3. They lack a shield in the front and look somewhat lighter/smaller.


Hmm.. the ones I saw had shields in the front and seemed the same. Not sure on that one then.
Edit: whoops sorry for double post.

[Edited on 06.13.2009 11:42 PM PDT]

  • 06.13.2009 11:41 PM PDT

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the only thing that bungie dint take inot concideration was mathmaking for firefight

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