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Subject: Multiplayer graphics in Halo 3 ODST!?

Posted by: wmubronco420420
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Posted by: Jowf
The All Fronts Collection in Gears of War 2 will come out for 1600 MS points and it will contain all the previous 13 downloadable maps and 7(!) new ones with a new chapter of the campaign!!

ERROR:// Point Invalid

You're forgetting the fact that Halo 3 > GoW all day


you're gonna call a kids point invalid because you dont like GOW2? you must not know what validity is.

Honestly the OP has a point...a short campaign, 3 maps, and firefight should not be $60, bungie even said in an interview that they dont see it as a full title. The GOW2 deal is much better and it would seem the only reason ODST is full price is because its halo and M$ knows people will pay for it anyway.

How the hell are you supposed to know it has a short campaign? It's free roam, on a huge map. It's essentially a toned down Fallout 3, without the collectibles, looting and such.

  • 06.15.2009 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: wmubronco420420
Posted by: Geegs30
Posted by: Jowf
The All Fronts Collection in Gears of War 2 will come out for 1600 MS points and it will contain all the previous 13 downloadable maps and 7(!) new ones with a new chapter of the campaign!!

ERROR:// Point Invalid

You're forgetting the fact that Halo 3 > GoW all day


you're gonna call a kids point invalid because you dont like GOW2? you must not know what validity is.

Honestly the OP has a point...a short campaign, 3 maps, and firefight should not be $60, bungie even said in an interview that they dont see it as a full title. The GOW2 deal is much better and it would seem the only reason ODST is full price is because its halo and M$ knows people will pay for it anyway.

How the hell are you supposed to know it has a short campaign? It's free roam, on a huge map. It's essentially a toned down Fallout 3, without the collectibles, looting and such.


its been said that its about 5 hours...thats short

  • 06.15.2009 2:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: wmubronco420420
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Posted by: wmubronco420420
Posted by: Geegs30
Posted by: Jowf
The All Fronts Collection in Gears of War 2 will come out for 1600 MS points and it will contain all the previous 13 downloadable maps and 7(!) new ones with a new chapter of the campaign!!

ERROR:// Point Invalid

You're forgetting the fact that Halo 3 > GoW all day


you're gonna call a kids point invalid because you dont like GOW2? you must not know what validity is.

Honestly the OP has a point...a short campaign, 3 maps, and firefight should not be $60, bungie even said in an interview that they dont see it as a full title. The GOW2 deal is much better and it would seem the only reason ODST is full price is because its halo and M$ knows people will pay for it anyway.

How the hell are you supposed to know it has a short campaign? It's free roam, on a huge map. It's essentially a toned down Fallout 3, without the collectibles, looting and such.


its been said that its about 5 hours...thats short

And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

  • 06.15.2009 2:31 PM PDT

And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

i can agree with that, but IMO a products price point should be set for the majority of the people who will purchase it. Not the 1% who are willing to put themselves through SLASO

especially when i read in an article straight from a bungie employee that said that its not worth 60 bucks.

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  • 06.15.2009 2:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: wmubronco420420
And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

i can agree with that, but IMO a products price point should be set for the majority of the people who will purchase it. Not the 1% who are willing to put themselves through SLASO

It doesn't need a SLASO run to make t longer. Just being OCD about finding every little collectable in ODST can easily extend it past 5 hours. Hell, I be even playing at Heroic difficulty can set you back at least 6 hours. Running through the game as fast as you can might set you at 5 hours.

Also is said article "Game Informer"? If so, then that was months ago. Bungie employee's are fee to have an opinion, but Microsoft sets the price.

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  • 06.15.2009 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: wmubronco420420
And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

i can agree with that, but IMO a products price point should be set for the majority of the people who will purchase it. Not the 1% who are willing to put themselves through SLASO

Truthfully, the time varies depending on how you play. You could go straight through the campaign to the beacons, or explore the city more. So maybe 9 hours of straight campaign, but if that's not all you do it could be much more. I've played around 65 hours of Fallout 3, if that helps.

  • 06.15.2009 2:39 PM PDT
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''Excuse me'' for haven't read the weekly updates with the fact that i enter this site for the first time ever for like 5 days ago! But doesn't anyone think you could just get a redeem code for the map packs and the first ODST disc if you allready have Halo 3!

I recognize this idea and it works to make NEW people buy the Halo games while with the fact that they leave there true fans there back! I can understand that actually with the fact that some of you get really mean over nothing like pwner779 (or something like) awesome name btw a really ''kewl' word with lots of numbers after...awesome, like awesome! Like ''you're not even worth to be angry on'' or something like that for that i asked a simple question! And to correct people on the internet like 2/4 is 1/2 dumbass write 1/2 then! That's just really sad to even care! Those kind off people are the same that makes Bungie turn there back to there fans, why you are called a geek cause you play videogames and the endless war between ps3 and xbox 360 of which one is the best!

Think again next time you are being rude! Everyone haven't been members since the game came out which means it exists new ones to the forums!

Another question tho is why make a engineand not use it online because then everyone with the old game can't play with the guys with the new game! Multiplayer is a big part of the Halo games so what makes you feel to really want the game when you hear that onlineexperience will be the same! That really makes you not to want the game so bad! Don't think people would like God of War 3 if there creators said it would look exactly the same as God of War 2 but in HD!

p.s. Don't even say that i got a geeky username cause that's my initials! It's a easy username you can't forget so that's why i have it!

Hopefully you can answer my question and not some personal offense!

  • 06.15.2009 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: wmubronco420420
And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

i can agree with that, but IMO a products price point should be set for the majority of the people who will purchase it. Not the 1% who are willing to put themselves through SLASO

Truthfully, the time varies depending on how you play. You could go straight through the campaign to the beacons, or explore the city more. So maybe 9 hours of straight campaign, but if that's not all you do it could be much more. I've played around 65 hours of Fallout 3, if that helps.


do we know that its as big as fallout ?, plus fallout 3 has all kinds of missions and people to interact with scattered around the city. As far as we know about ODST there is only covenant to kill, thats it.

  • 06.15.2009 2:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: I WAN HALO 3
bungie r niec guy, he r dont do anything to u, he only gave away free beta codes is that so wrong? microsfot was all liek 'YO BUGNIE PUT UR COEDS INTO DIS BOX AND WE R PUT LOCK ON IT' and bungie was all like 'oooo okay :D' but little r bungie no, microsft r hav bad lock, and BADDD BADD people gots in and stole ALL beta codes D: now we dun has none left, if nething, blame microsoft 4 bad lockss and allow bad peoples to steel code

...Really?

This is what sparks an argument now-adays?

I miss the Pre-Halo 3 forum.

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And can anyone give me a acceptable reason to why Bungie WON'T use there upgraded graphics engine in the multiplayerdisc (ODST disc 2)!!

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  • 06.15.2009 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Kaf1ve
...Really?

This is what sparks an argument now-adays?

I miss the Pre-Halo 3 forum.


arent you cool, but honestly we're not really arguing...at least from my end ti feels like a fairly controlled conversation of the games value.

  • 06.15.2009 2:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: I WAN HALO 3
bungie r niec guy, he r dont do anything to u, he only gave away free beta codes is that so wrong? microsfot was all liek 'YO BUGNIE PUT UR COEDS INTO DIS BOX AND WE R PUT LOCK ON IT' and bungie was all like 'oooo okay :D' but little r bungie no, microsft r hav bad lock, and BADDD BADD people gots in and stole ALL beta codes D: now we dun has none left, if nething, blame microsoft 4 bad lockss and allow bad peoples to steel code

Posted by: Jowf
And can anyone give me a acceptable reason to why Bungie WON'T use there upgraded graphics engine in the multiplayerdisc (ODST disc 2)!!


Why should they? It's like Valve releasing the Game of the Year edition of Left 4 Dead with better graphics, and making it cost 60 bucks still.

The graphics are fine the way they are.

  • 06.15.2009 2:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Jowf
And can anyone give me a acceptable reason to why Bungie WON'T use there upgraded graphics engine in the multiplayerdisc (ODST disc 2)!!


its the exact same enigine, theyve just learned how to take advantage of it a little better. maybe they did improve the graphics on the 3 new maps..but theyre not gonna go back and change all the H3 maps

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Jowf, ignorance isn't an excuse. So you haven't been to this site in "5 days". Point? Don't make a thread unless you are informed. Second, don't bring pety arguments into your main post. Its distracting and solves nothing. Third, the reason why Bungie didn't make a new engine because Halo 3: ODST is a "campaign expansion" of Halo 3. Hence the Halo 3 at the end.

Your reasoning of people not wanting Halo 3: ODST because of it having the same online play as Halo 3 is flawed. Maybe some people want to play just campaign. Some might need a new Halo 3 disc and Halo 3: ODST offers them more bang for their buck. Please do not compare God of War with Halo in this kind of argument. Plenty of people would love GoW3 even if it had PS2 graphics. Just ask people on the Wii how they love all their game.

  • 06.15.2009 2:55 PM PDT

Posted by: wmubronco420420
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Posted by: wmubronco420420
And it has been worked on more. Bungie said that they added more to it and it should exceed that little 5 hour mark. Course I guess you never took into account the playstyles of others. For you it could be 5 hous, but to someone else it could be 10. Thats not even taking into account Legendary or doing a giant SLASO run.

i can agree with that, but IMO a products price point should be set for the majority of the people who will purchase it. Not the 1% who are willing to put themselves through SLASO

Truthfully, the time varies depending on how you play. You could go straight through the campaign to the beacons, or explore the city more. So maybe 9 hours of straight campaign, but if that's not all you do it could be much more. I've played around 65 hours of Fallout 3, if that helps.


do we know that its as big as fallout ?, plus fallout 3 has all kinds of missions and people to interact with scattered around the city. As far as we know about ODST there is only covenant to kill, thats it.

No, that's what I meant by toned down. The simple fact that it is free-roam makes it instantly longer campaign-wise.

  • 06.15.2009 3:01 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Dude, graphics don't even matter, as long as the game is fun. Besides, It would prevent people from playing together who are using different disks.

  • 06.15.2009 3:09 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Jowf
First of all i was going to type 3/4 but that was to much so i put a 2 instead of 3 so that was a simple mistake! So it ended up with 2/4, which is the same thing as 1/2 so who cares, dumbass!

play nice now


Second of all, am 14 years old and am not paying 60$ for a 5 hours long campaign a horde mode and 3 new maps! I can afford it but i don't think it's worth it if the multiplayer experience isn't improved what i think is the good part with Halo 3! There are games with better campaign then Halo but not in multiplayer experience!


the campaign has been confirmed in the podcast to of developed to more than twice it's original size. (that means it's close to 10-12 FULL LENGTH game)


Do you know what the extra 30$ you are paying for? It's Halo 3...again!! This is bull-blam!- this should be a game add-on and everyone knows that, me, you, Bungie and Microsoft!

And why make an engine if not to use it! You can do graphical improvements on the Halo 3 maps it worked on Far Cry 2 why wouldn't it work for Bungie!!


you are paying $60 bucks for a now FULL GAME EXPERIENCE that took 2 years to develop because they didn't need to create a new engine. you pay $60 for something that took less than a year to make and capitalized on the previous games engine when you bought WAW. don't complain. this is a full new game. don't like it? don't buy it

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  • 06.15.2009 3:32 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Melkorpwn
Dude, graphics don't even matter, as long as the game is fun. Besides, It would prevent people from playing together who are using different disks.


QFT

one word:

PONG

  • 06.15.2009 3:32 PM PDT
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I do like the game and I really want it still! But, I am still pretty shocked and having a hard time to understand why they won't take full advantage of the new graphics!

Then I think its strange that you talk about the Halo 3 and Halo 3 ODST are going to be able to play together because of two reasons!

First reason is that i have never seen an expansion which makes you play with the original game! That's the point of expansions they make the game better in every way and makes people not able to play with eachother because glitches and stuff has been fixed! In WoW you can still play with eachother but the expansionpack things are still locked for those who don't have it!

Second reason is that i have heard that they might put in new weapons in the multiplayer!

So now when they done so H3 players can't play with ODST players why just not use the excellent engine they have and improve the graphics on all the maps which will make everyone buy the ODST! I know many that doesn't like Halo 3 because of the bad graphics! I am not one of them but I wouldn't complain if they wouldn't have shown there new engine! And still I would be happy and i think you would be to if they acctually did it!

Oh, another question is do you think they might upgrade the graphics later in like January or something like that!?

  • 06.16.2009 1:52 AM PDT

J-H

Posted by: Jowf
Yeah i mean the second ODST disk... But the thing i don't get is why, why would it be a must to pay for one disc!! I mean why could they just not have extra price for those who allready owns the Halo 3! So instead to pay for 2 discs you could get the first ODST disc and redeem codes for the 3 map packs that costs! And sell that for like 40$... It would be much nicer of them so i brought this up for 3 reasons!

1. Some dude telled me the graphics would be improved!
2. When upgraded the engine why not use it!
3. Why pay for the same disc twice!

I hope you understand me now and i am really dissappointed cause i would really have wished they would use the graphics cause the only thing i haven't liked with Halo is the really bad graphics but now they looked very good! But i think i will still buy this cause i am bit calmed down now so... But hopefully in a close future they might release some maps on the first ODST disc with some slayer and stuff!!


"Really bad graphics" ?? For starters Halo 3 has one of the best graphics of a game around today...try playing it on HD and see just how much of an eyegasm it is. Moving on; Bungie physically cannot update Halo 3's multiplayer on this second ODST disc because it would become imcompattible with the previous multiplayer. They can't update Halo 3's multiplayer on the actualy Halo 3 disc because it's allready...Another few things; Halo has the best story of any game out there. Period. All of my friends who love games like Resi or MGS realise that Halo has an amazing story line...Moving on, you use two many caps, make too many spelling mistakes and are just a generally annoying person. Calm down, ODST will be amazing, just pop those pills you're on and sit down.

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Posted by: Jowf
Yeah i mean the second ODST disk... But the thing i don't get is why, why would it be a must to pay for one disc!! I mean why could they just not have extra price for those who allready owns the Halo 3! So instead to pay for 2 discs you could get the first ODST disc and redeem codes for the 3 map packs that costs! And sell that for like 40$... It would be much nicer of them so i brought this up for 3 reasons!

1. Some dude telled me the graphics would be improved!
2. When upgraded the engine why not use it!
3. Why pay for the same disc twice!

I hope you understand me now and i am really dissappointed cause i would really have wished they would use the graphics cause the only thing i haven't liked with Halo is the really bad graphics but now they looked very good! But i think i will still buy this cause i am bit calmed down now so... But hopefully in a close future they might release some maps on the first ODST disc with some slayer and stuff!!


"Really bad graphics" ?? For starters Halo 3 has one of the best graphics of a game around today...try playing it on HD and see just how much of an eyegasm it is. Moving on; Bungie physically cannot update Halo 3's multiplayer on this second ODST disc because it would become imcompattible with the previous multiplayer. They can't update Halo 3's multiplayer on the actualy Halo 3 disc because it's allready...Another few things; Halo has the best story of any game out there. Period. All of my friends who love games like Resi or MGS realise that Halo has an amazing story line...Moving on, you use two many caps, make too many spelling mistakes and are just a generally annoying person. Calm down, ODST will be amazing, just pop those pills you're on and sit down.


Haha to many caps!? Only caps am using is on the first letter in a name or in ODST but it's spelled that way and the only spellingmistake i can find here is ''nicer'' and that I sometimes write i and not I.

Wtf is Resi btw! I have never heard about a game that is called Resi! I've heard of Res tho if you mean Resident Evil but that is just one of many simple mistakes you told me! Halo has a great story yes, but it is not the best, it's far from being the best! You might think that Halo has the best story but no, if you see it from a proffesional view then no. Halo has bad graphics! That you say Halo has among the best graphics that any game has is just stupid to say! 2007 Halo got 8 or 9/10 in graphics...which was allmost 2 years ago! If you count the graphics then i think Halo comes somewhere around place 25! And seriously, not incompatible to the previous multiplayer!? I hope you mean to play with other cause if you don't I hope you understand that it is possible in any way to improve the graphics! You have the basics like the demo they showed with the Sony Motion Controller. (Don't think you saw it cause you even think that Halo has among the greatest graphics so you can't be so informed!!) Then they use the engine to make the graphics and stuff on the map! Allmost like decorating a christmas tree!!

And stop comming with your harrasments! (Probably wrong spelling on harrasments...) Halo 3 ODST will be a great game and while we're waiting for it I took the liberty of making a forum of why they won't use the new graphics engine! So stop offensing me and answer the questions or don't say anything! And don't get angry over nothing, it's nothing to get angry over!!

  • 06.16.2009 11:17 AM PDT

lolwut?

Posted by: Jowf
Ok, i've looked everywhere but i can't find that they say anything about improved graphics on multiplayer in the upcoming Halo 3 ODST! I would really appreciate and i think many others would to if someone could show a link or some prove that the online experience will have the same graphics as in the firefight mode or the campaign!


Okay, let's start this.

First of all, they can't upgrade the graphics with Halo 3's multiplayer, because it wouldn't be compatible with the others who don't have ODST.

Second, it has been confirmed that ODST will be longer than 5 hours. It's about 10 hours, confirmed by the BUNGIE podcast.

Lastly, Bungie did not price ODST, Micro$oft did.


Now, try and insult me with I'M NOT GONNA BUY THE GAME and little prinnys and -blam!-, I'm not a kid like you, so it won't matter.

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Posted by: Jowf
Ok, i've looked everywhere but i can't find that they say anything about improved graphics on multiplayer in the upcoming Halo 3 ODST! I would really appreciate and i think many others would to if someone could show a link or some prove that the online experience will have the same graphics as in the firefight mode or the campaign!


Okay, let's start this.

First of all, they can't upgrade the graphics with Halo 3's multiplayer, because it wouldn't be compatible with the others who don't have ODST.

Second, it has been confirmed that ODST will be longer than 5 hours. It's about 10 hours, confirmed by the BUNGIE podcast.

Lastly, Bungie did not price ODST, Micro$oft did.


Now, try and insult me with I'M NOT GONNA BUY THE GAME and little prinnys and -blam!-, I'm not a kid like you, so it won't matter.


Don't worry i won't insult you. =) And I have thought a little and i still see the game worth buying (not as much as before tho)! I appreciate you're answer with no personal offense and stuff! There are many who needs to learn from you! Thanks again! =D

  • 06.16.2009 12:16 PM PDT

-M1 Garand

I'm guessing that they will be the same as Halo 3's graphics. I could be wrong though.

  • 06.16.2009 12:20 PM PDT

The three new maps are probably going to be better graphics although this is true of all the DLC maps. If you look at the progression from the basic maps,heroic maps, legedry maps to mythic maps you will see a steady improvement of graphics. (just look out the window on orbital to see what I mean).
Because ODST uses the same engine they just found "more things they could do with it" (see the E3 gameplay demo) they will probably have used these newfound tricks in heretic longshore and citadel.
I think it's safe to expect a slight tweak up for these maps.

  • 06.16.2009 12:29 PM PDT

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