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Posted by: DeNarran
Marathon also has a Survival mode. Pretty fun too. And Marathon predates Gears. It is not so much copying as it building off of what came first. Every game takes something from what came before, all that really counts is how well the newest iteration was delivered and what new things it brings to the table.


thank you! that is the correct answer :P

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  • 06.16.2009 10:06 AM PDT

Dude, the survival mode thing is dated WAY back. not just recently when a bunch of GoW dev's where like "We gotta copy the survival mode and make it better so when other companies use it people will think they copied us!!!" *maniacal laugh*
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Posted by: nuchy
do you guys think its wrong that bungie has firefight. it pretty much is horde and they might have gotten the idea from gears 2.


k so gears 2 came out in 2008 how do we know that the odst team didn't make up this idea in 2007 or 6 siince it wasn't in gears 1

since we don't know how long this game has been made for

  • 06.16.2009 10:07 AM PDT
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  • 06.16.2009 10:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: Anthony Rabanal
Gears of War 2's Horde Mode features homicidal monsters bent on whipping out the human race. And Halo 3: ODST's Firefight Mode features aliens attempting to activate Halo rings that whipe out a infection of parasites. Firefight lets you activate skulls to make the game challenging and has rounds, sets, and waves. While Horde Mode has waves. Joe Staten even stated that Firefight is not better than horde, but that it is just different.

this is not even close to the halo storyline.

  • 06.16.2009 10:10 AM PDT

bungie said they were trying to put Firefight in Halo 3, but couldn't due to time restraints.

there's your answer right there. they've had the system for Firefight developed since before GoW2 even came out.

  • 06.16.2009 10:11 AM PDT

WTF are you talking about!?
lots of the new games and even the old games have some form of survival mode
left 4 dead
CoD WaW
even some little online arcade games have survival modes
gears didnt invent it

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Posted by: straynium
WTF are you talking about!?
lots of the new games and even the old games have some form of survival mode
left 4 dead
CoD WaW
even some little online arcade games have survival modes
gears didnt invent it


ok if you read up there i say that its because horde mode was so successful, i never said GOW created invented all survival mode,

  • 06.16.2009 10:21 AM PDT
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Also alot of people in the forums(like myself) Kept bringing up a waves of covenant based gameplay.

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They thought of Firefight before Gears Horde or CoD -blam!- Zombies.

  • 06.16.2009 10:46 AM PDT

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those games stole the idea off marathon so basically bungie has a right to do that

  • 06.16.2009 10:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Consul Ocatvian
The concept of this game type dates way back. Tons of games have featured a "Survival" mode in which you must battle mass amounts of enemies to see how long you can survive. So while it is very similar to Horde mode, Horde mode wasn't an original idea in the first place. Also, it wouldn't be called cheating. The three stages products go through are Invention, Imitation, and Innovation - it is a natural cycle. Companies are always imitating each others ideas (or their own) and trying to improve upon them. It's how progress is made.


Goddamnit I was going to say that. Survival mode doesn't necessarily mean you must battle hordes of enemies, well actually it does, look at arcade fighters, Tekken had a survival mode. Plus Bungie had this concept before Gears of War 2 and Call of Duty: World at War.

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Posted by: nuchy
do you guys think its wrong that bungie has firefight. it pretty much is horde and they might have gotten the idea from gears 2.


Bungie had Firefight thought up long before GoW2 came out

  • 06.16.2009 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: nuchy
yea but left for dead is based on zombies so thats ok,


Halo 3 is based on aliens on a fictional planet trying to kill the human race.

  • 06.16.2009 11:04 AM PDT

He who dares wins

To be fair, their was a zombies gametype in Halo 2.

  • 06.16.2009 11:06 AM PDT

So, you want to hear a story eh? One about treasure hunters? Have I got a story for you!

I think that Fire Fight will be fun.

And i think that It would be better if there was a ODST matchmaking.

  • 06.16.2009 11:11 AM PDT

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Survival modes have been around since videogames were created.

  • 06.16.2009 11:11 AM PDT

I was actually surprised that the first Gears didn't have a horde mode, given that Epic Games also made the Unreal Games, and Unreal had a gametype like that called "Invasion". I was even more surprised that Epic took Invasion out for UT3, thus guarenteeing that I won't bother buying it for a long time, if ever.

From what I've seen so far Firefight and Horde are going to feel very different, even once you account for the obvious differences between the way the two games play. Firefight the waves you fight are going to be more random, where as in Gears the waves are preset; so if you are finishing Wave 9 in Horde everybody grabs a Grinder because you know Wave 10 starts off with a swarm of those Beast Rider guys.

Firefight also has map's designed for it, where as Gear's Horde and Unreal's Invasion re-used the DM multiplayer maps. I have a feeling I'm going to be wishing that ODST gave you that option as well, as it greatly increases the number of maps you can play on. The random wave composition means that Firefight will probably have more replay value though.

  • 06.16.2009 11:17 AM PDT
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yes, but Gears of War 2 probably got the idea from these very forums. I saw a great deal of threads in GOW2 forum referencing the Survival mode thread over here.

  • 06.16.2009 11:17 AM PDT

Posted by: Tibetz
yes, but Gears of War 2 probably got the idea from these very forums. I saw a great deal of threads in GOW2 forum referencing the Survival mode thread over here.


I suspect Epic probably got the idea from the Unreal games they themselves made, you know, years before the first Halo came out. I remember Halo people clamoring for "Covvie Invasion" as soon as we knew there was going to be a Halo 2.

IIRC Marathon also had something like this. It's a very popular game mode, which is why Epic dropping it from UT3 puzzles me.

  • 06.16.2009 11:20 AM PDT

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  • 06.16.2009 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeNarran
Marathon also has a Survival mode. Pretty fun too. And Marathon predates Gears. It is not so much copying as it building off of what came first. Every game takes something from what came before, all that really counts is how well the newest iteration was delivered and what new things it brings to the table.

Someone found the xbox live arcade! The original marathon's did not have survival mode, that is a new addition on the arcade version.
The first ever genuine survival mode was in one of the Unreal Tournaments I believe, which is owned by EPIC, the same company that made Gears of War.

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Posted by: Tibetz
yes, but Gears of War 2 probably got the idea from these very forums. I saw a great deal of threads in GOW2 forum referencing the Survival mode thread over here.


I suspect Epic probably got the idea from the Unreal games they themselves made, you know, years before the first Halo came out. I remember Halo people clamoring for "Covvie Invasion" as soon as we knew there was going to be a Halo 2.

IIRC Marathon also had something like this. It's a very popular game mode, which is why Epic dropping it from UT3 puzzles me.



Indeed, but it was more of a point that just because they are similar, doesnt mean the game that came first is therefore forever the standard for the rest of ther gaming generation.

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Ok so we all have been asking for something like this saying "oh like in GoW 2" But now that we have it you guys are saying "Oh Bugie copied and stuff" this is going to be a good feature that we all wanted for a very long time, And if you dont like it,dont play it

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Posted by: Anthony Rabanal
Gears of War 2's Horde Mode features homicidal monsters bent on whipping out the human race. And Halo 3: ODST's Firefight Mode features aliens attempting to activate Halo rings that whipe out a infection of parasites. Firefight lets you activate skulls to make the game challenging and has rounds, sets, and waves. While Horde Mode has waves. Joe Staten even stated that Firefight is not better than horde, but that it is just different.

this is not even close to the halo storyline.
The covenant are attempting to fire the rings because there religion dictates that a great journey awaits them. but the rings will only wipe out everything. the prophets rule and promote this and want to be gods. The covenant species follow them blindly. please get your facts straight before you go saying things

  • 06.16.2009 11:38 AM PDT

maybe gears 2 and left 4 dead might have inspired bungie to take the horde mode to the next level with the new halo game, the way bungie have set this out i would be suprised if halo 3:odst didn't get GAME OF THE YEAR 2009

  • 06.16.2009 11:40 AM PDT

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