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ODST's were seen using turrets at E3. Not only that, but they run at normal speed? How is this possible, considering Spartans are stronger than ODST's and turrets are "heavy, even for a Spartan." If you go to your stats the description for a turret says "It's heavy even for a Spartan.". So ODST's, who are much weaker than Spartans, can both hold them and run fast with them?

Also, I remember seeing an ODST boarding a wraith in a gameplay video. I remember reading somewhere that only Spartans and Elites are strong enough to bust open a Wraiths cockpit door. So how is it that ODST's are able to do that as well?

And Gravity Hammers? I could understand them possibly being able to wield a Gravity Hammer, but I doubt an ODST has the strength to swing one. Or at least swing one without being knocked backward.

And don't just reply "Don't use it if you don't like it". It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics. No matter what you say, an ODST being able to move faster than a Spartan while holding a turret is stupid and makes no sense.

  • 06.16.2009 12:02 AM PDT

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  • 06.16.2009 12:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not sure why, but I don't mind. Oh wait, I am sure why, it's because ODSTs kick ass.
Thanks for completely ignoring my post

  • 06.16.2009 12:06 AM PDT

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Might be different turrets...There are two thhings you can't question and that's the fact that ODST's are alot worse at melée than Spartans and they are also alot smaller which Bungie have taken in to consideration.

  • 06.16.2009 12:06 AM PDT

I DUN CARE I JUST WANT THA GAME :o :p!

  • 06.16.2009 2:22 AM PDT

>>: [Welcome to Dr. Grey's domain.]

This was posted twice somehow.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 3:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 2:34 AM PDT

>>: [Welcome to Dr. Grey's domain.]

No matter what you say, an ODST being able to move faster than a Spartan while holding a turret is stupid and makes no sense.
Have you never heard of a work in progress, per chance? Everything you've seen is subject to change. ODSTs moving at a full/faster speed with detached turrets was already stated to be an oversight.
And Gravity Hammers? I could understand them possibly being able to wield a Gravity Hammer, but I doubt an ODST has the strength to swing one. Or at least swing one without being knocked backward.
It's a likely basis that any weapons you give to an ODST/Marine in Halo 3, are weapons you cannot wield as an ODST. Thus, I believe the only time you'll see a hammer in action is when it's beating you and your friends into the ground. Or the air.
It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics.
Video games were not built to conform exactly to the physics you see in everyday life. That's why it's called 'Fictional entertainment.' That also happens to be why you have Laser cannons the size of rocket launchers that can take out tanks, and little purple needles that cause explosions after impaling your enemies, and plasma grenades that attach to things and explode.

Stop trying to apply 'real world' physics to Halo. It's depressing.

  • 06.16.2009 2:35 AM PDT

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If they couldn't wield Gravity Hammers and crank open Wraith lids then there would be people complaining about that too, you just can't win with you guys can you?
I know where you're coming from with this though, I would prefer that they wouldn't wield Gravity Hammers too and I'd also like to see an option to only board the back of a Wraith where you could just throw a grenade in, that'd be ample but thats just the way things go, you can't have your own way with everything and I would definitly not say that ODST's are stronger than Spartans, perhaps equal too in game but from what we were told aren't.
One more thing, they can pull off turrets too?

PS: It's just a game after all :D

  • 06.16.2009 2:36 AM PDT

I've been wondering about this, perhaps the heavy weapons ODST (Dutch I think) will be able to use more weapons such as brute shots, turrets etc.

  • 06.16.2009 3:02 AM PDT
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they actullay run slower, my guess is they edited the game so you don't feel like a total slug

  • 06.16.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Crunchy_Shadow
It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics.

Gosh, and here I was thinking this ODST thing was a video game. Silly me.

While all video games are based in reality, gameplay always, always takes precedence over realism. If a developer wants their game to be played a certain way, that's how it goes regardless of physics and whatnot.

  • 06.16.2009 9:09 AM PDT

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You question the logic of a video game ? Seems kinda like a waste of time to me.

  • 06.16.2009 9:10 AM PDT
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Hello Sherlock! There something called Gameplay effect!!
So, ODST's can't do this stuff in real life

  • 06.16.2009 9:17 AM PDT

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Yeah, good point, naturally an ODST shouldn't......especially being able to punch through metal (the wraith). but yeah, it's still subject to change since it is coming out September which is a long time yet for bungie to add finishing touches. Don't be surprised if Wraith become *unhijackable* (srry for making up words), or losing the abilitiy to rip off turrets because, your right, they shouldn't be able to do that especially punching through the metal door on a wraith, because they shouldn't even be able to dent it without breaking their hand.

  • 06.16.2009 9:19 AM PDT

War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.

Whilst the ability of an ODST to wield a gravity hammer or carry a heavy turret may not be very realistic, the physics in Halo have always been exaggerated to make the game more fun.

These features might only be present in the firefight mode, whereas the ODSTs abilities may be more realistic in the campaign.

Besides, you are complaining about a mild lack of realism in a game involving aliens...

  • 06.16.2009 9:37 AM PDT
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erm they run slower than Spartan also dont jump as high and maybe he wasnt smashing the wraith hacth maybe throwing a grenade in there? maybe ODST's can only carry turrets with less rounds than spartans to make it lighter?

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Well the Spartans do weigh 2000 ponds. It says so in the game manual. So it may be adding on to the weight.

  • 06.16.2009 9:51 AM PDT

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  • 06.16.2009 10:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shadowkiller VM
I DUN CARE I JUST WANT THA GAME :o :p!

  • 06.16.2009 10:07 AM PDT

Posted by: PXLeigh
Have you never heard of a work in progress, per chance? Everything you've seen is subject to change. ODSTs moving at a full/faster speed with detached turrets was already stated to be an oversight.
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Um, newsflash, the game is already completed and is being produced (i think that is what im getting at) as we speak.

  • 06.16.2009 10:18 AM PDT

Last time i checked a game doesnt go Gold and get produced until about 1 months before it ships? Its still got 2 and half months nearly three so don't be stupid, bugs come up and have to be resolved and stats and attributes such as running speed can be edited still, Fable II, yes guys i mentioned it! had 256 bugs come up over night about 1 or 2 months before shipping!

  • 06.16.2009 10:24 AM PDT

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I've already read all of the halo books today you stupid nerd. Plus Halo:Fall of reach twice.

To give the game more variety and make it more fun.

How can a man in a robot suit jump 7 foot in the air? But you don't make a thread complaining about how unreal that it.

  • 06.16.2009 10:31 AM PDT

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whell i doupt you can flip a tank..

and ive seen marines use flame throwers..

hell what is the gun made out of? steel? or is it a new extra heavy for reson weapon?

the modern day SAW is a heavy weapon..the 50 cal sniper is a heavy weapon..

sure the turret is heavy dosent mean it's to hard. it might wigh around 70-100 pounds max. thats heavy but not to heavy. and with the spartans what makes it heavy is that it is awkward. odly shpaed to carry.. it wasent meant to be carryed like that it's just soilders find uses for it the desighners dident think of.

hell i bet i could lift it.

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Judging by the gameplay video they arent stronger because their melees did'nt even stagger a brute when the odst punched him.

  • 06.16.2009 10:39 AM PDT
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Rawr Im a dino!

Well first of all its Firefight your talking about they want to be fun.

I doubt they will be available in campaign.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 10:40 AM PDT