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Posted by: bigturns00
Spartans are the product of genetic, pre-birth, engineering...
No, they aren't. They are selected based on their traits. Said traits were not given to them by any manner other than natural biology.
Later they undergo an additional, and sometimes lethal, form of genetic manipulation... Again, no.
They are the pinnacle of what humans are capable of achieving at this point in Halo's story. Okay. That part is correct.
As for Marines being stupid and weak. Such a statement is misinformed. You should consider editing your post before the flames start. I could say the same of your post.


Posted by: ChosenCyanReal1
It's too bad near the end of the war the UNSC started using augments on ODSTs. Dare also had a Recon helm for a reason, they also started to give parts of Mjolnir armor variants to them as well. SPI as well, just to say.

Not to the extent of the SPARTAN-II program.

  • 06.16.2009 2:19 PM PDT

I dont require, I inspire.

Well,you have to keep in mind that its not finished.Also that they are still running on the halo 3 engine,in which players can do those certain feats.And also,bungie stated that ODST do move slower and have weaker melee attacks.

  • 06.16.2009 2:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
That's one of the reasons why if you're using bungie.net polls to collect any kind of real data, you're completely insane.

Posted by: Crunchy_Shadow
And don't just reply "Don't use it if you don't like it". It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics. No matter what you say, an ODST being able to move faster than a Spartan while holding a turret is stupid and makes no sense.


Are you serious? Your trying to use the laws of physics IN A VIDEO GAME? Also ODST using turrets doesn't have to make sense ITS A VIDEO GAME.

  • 06.16.2009 2:24 PM PDT

if knowledge is power and power corrupts, isn't knowledge therefore dangerous?
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ok, this is easy kinda.
the turrets: much lighter. we DO have gatling guns that people run around with now, remember that.
wraith: it's possible that the guy could not do jack to that. it might just be if the cockpit is blown off, you can plant a nade. otherwise you just get a free ride.
hammer: guy didn't swing it, but it is also possible these hammers were eing field tested- not quite as much kick-back. then again, never saw a guy playing ODST actually USE it.

  • 06.16.2009 2:25 PM PDT
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Im Bryan Wieblitz from New Zealand ( no its not in Europe im near Antarctica) who enjoys playing halo and anything to do with it. If anybody from Bungie is reading this im going to ninja ur hideout and steal ur halo bible

physics dont relate to gaming its a game do u think there is a crash bandicoot running around stopping his arch enemy dr cortex . its a game if u ever read the bungie banner it says " we reject ur reality and substitute our own" it means dont get all huffy its just a game just cos it looks kinda real does not make it anywhere possible to our real life, u dont buy a game to do stuff that is correct in our universe but to do the impossible

  • 06.16.2009 2:28 PM PDT

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If natural "laws of physics" were applied to every aspect in Halo, then think about the effect that would have on Vehicles, A warthog would blow up with the slightest ease. :( bad

  • 06.16.2009 2:28 PM PDT

I completely agree with you... but i understand why they did it... : They want to make ODST a new game, but not so new that people that are used to playing halo 3 can't relate to it.... so they kept some of the abilities.... and.... im perfectly happy with it... just play the game the way they make it.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 2:29 PM PDT
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it dosent really matter

  • 06.16.2009 2:31 PM PDT

Hey. Pull my dongle.


Cmon, just one time, you big baby!

Look, you make good points, but they're called Work in Progresses. Also, ODST's have less power/health than Spartans/Elites. Most of the stuff in Halo is fake. Ships that can glass entire planets? No. Thinking dead that take over your body with little deformed things that somehow get into there? No. So, stop putting real world physics into Halo cuz it's annoying and makes me and other gamers :(.

  • 06.16.2009 2:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Halo Creed
Posted by: Crunchy_Shadow
And don't just reply "Don't use it if you don't like it". It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics. No matter what you say, an ODST being able to move faster than a Spartan while holding a turret is stupid and makes no sense.


Are you serious? Your trying to use the laws of physics IN A VIDEO GAME? Also ODST using turrets doesn't have to make sense ITS A VIDEO GAME.

Ohh, now I see. It's all so clear to me. EVERYTHING is cool, because it's a video game. Profound wisdom. Since you put it that way, I think we should also be able to turn huge by drinking a ton of magical potions and just stomp the Covenant. And then we can jump in the Batmobile and run -blam!- over. Because nothing matters in a video game!
You're so full of -blam!-. It's a game, sure. But if you saw a movie in which a normal person just picks up a car and throws it, I'd bet money you'd have an issue. Don't even say it's different, because it's not. Both are forms of entertainment, both have at least some root in reality. Sure, Halo stretches it a bit sometimes, but it's rooted in a fictional universe. You see, it's when the rules of said fictional universe are broken when most series become bad. I've never followed the X-Men comics, but from what I've heard, they have seriously -blam!- up the story with all their changes and time-travel and what not. It's this kind of blatant disregard for the rules that were put in place by the developers themselves that degrades the value of any IP. I'm not saying the discrepancies that may arise in ODST are of the same magnitude as my example, but once you start it's a slippery slope.
So don't come in here and start with "it's a VIDEO GAME" because that is one of the worst excuses for disobeying realism. One of the reasons Halo is great is because it uses real physics every chance it can. If they start throwing that away a lot of people will get pretty pissed.
/rant

[Edited on 06.16.2009 2:36 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 2:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Crunchy_Shadow
Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not sure why, but I don't mind. Oh wait, I am sure why, it's because ODSTs kick ass.
Thanks for completely ignoring my post
This guy didn't ignore your little complain-fest.

The grav hammer bends Gravity to the users will. That's how Tartarus could attract the Monitor and Miranda to him. This also allows it to be very light for the holder, but strikes with the force of 2 tons.

An ODST may not be able to rip off a turret in actuality, but carrying it and shooting it makes perfect sense. You think ALL turrets are mounted?
As for them running faster than a Spartan, I have an idea, let's pretend for just a moment that this is a VIDEO GAME, and not a Wartime Simulation. If you won't buy it because of this little error, than that's great! One less whiner in the Halo world.

  • 06.16.2009 2:39 PM PDT

I saw the Wraith part too, what if it is just a grenade planting?
The turret and the hammer things really made me upset, but I think an ODST is capable of using a graviti hammer, I think he will just jump a few feet or something and about the turret I think that if they add an stamina feature while using a turret it would be nice, I hope an ODST can´t jump with the turret.

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Posted by: PETEYENG
Well first of all its Firefight your talking about they want to be fun.

I doubt they will be available in campaign.

There was interview where someone has said that, but can't point my figure at it.

  • 06.16.2009 2:41 PM PDT

Posted by: xxSpartanxxIIxx
Posted by: Halo Creed
Posted by: Crunchy_Shadow
And don't just reply "Don't use it if you don't like it". It's an issue relating to the basic laws of physics. No matter what you say, an ODST being able to move faster than a Spartan while holding a turret is stupid and makes no sense.


Are you serious? Your trying to use the laws of physics IN A VIDEO GAME? Also ODST using turrets doesn't have to make sense ITS A VIDEO GAME.

Ohh, now I see. It's all so clear to me. EVERYTHING is cool, because it's a video game. Profound wisdom. Since you put it that way, I think we should also be able to turn huge by drinking a ton of magical potions and just stomp the Covenant. And then we can jump in the Batmobile and run -blam!- over. Because nothing matters in a video game!
You're so full of -blam!-. It's a game, sure. But if you saw a movie in which a normal person just picks up a car and throws it, I'd bet money you'd have an issue. Don't even say it's different, because it's not. Both are forms of entertainment, both have at least some root in reality. Sure, Halo stretches it a bit sometimes, but it's rooted in a fictional universe. You see, it's when the rules of said fictional universe are broken when most series become bad. I've never followed the X-Men comics, but from what I've heard, they have seriously -blam!- up the story with all their changes and time-travel and what not. It's this kind of blatant disregard for the rules that were put in place by the developers themselves that degrades the value of any IP. I'm not saying the discrepancies that may arise in ODST are of the same magnitude as my example, but once you start it's a slippery slope.
So don't come in here and start with "it's a VIDEO GAME" because that is one of the worst excuses for disobeying realism. One of the reasons Halo is great is because it uses real physics every chance it can. If they start throwing that away a lot of people will get pretty pissed.
/rant
The Hulk throws cars and I don't have issues with that at all.
So what you're trying to tell me, is that since a Video Game has free range of any content the developers wish, that means it HAS to be completely random such as having the characters drink magic potions? Really? I thought that the Developers could choose how their plots work. Hmm, you're right! It's either entirely realistic, or completely -blam!- up! You're a genius man!

  • 06.16.2009 2:43 PM PDT

Otherwise known as Sevi D!!

Don't use it if you don't like it
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  • 06.16.2009 2:47 PM PDT

They gave the ODST's steroids.

  • 06.16.2009 3:09 PM PDT
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That turret weighs 250 pounds at best I think some ODST that most likely takes supliments that were designed to boost their strength.

  • 06.16.2009 3:12 PM PDT

Its not luck, its the TwitchFactor.™

During the heat of battle and ODST could produce enough adrenaline for him/her to lift a turret and fire it.

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Posted by: xxSpartanxxIIxx
I could say the same of your post.

In the book, Halo Reach, Dr. Halsey goes to pre-determined locations to scout children who are a product of an extensive genetic research project by ONI (which identifies children who meet certain genetic requirements). Hence my saying Spartans are the product of genetic engineering. Anytime you specifically draw samples from a pool based on the traits of those samples you are, in fact, engineering your results.

Also, when John was 14, he and the other candidates went through genetic therapy by way of experimental drugs. Their bones were made stronger. Senses improved. Muscles faster... etc.. 30 or so of the candidates failed these 'tests' Some died, some were crippled for life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo)
Approximately eight years later, John and the other children are biologically and cybernetically augmented and enhanced. These procedures had substantial risks;[15] only John and thirty-two other Spartans survive.

Hence my stating the truth which is John, and the other Spartan candidates, were, in fact, genetically manipulated.

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  • 06.16.2009 3:26 PM PDT

i personaly think that IF an odst can carry a turret then the animation for ripping it off should be different
ie;an odst should not just rip it off like a spartan but he should maby kick it off and then lift it up or he should place a grenade under it and then pick it up but they shouldn't be able to jump
or they should only be able to barley jump

  • 06.16.2009 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: xxSpartanxxIIxx
I could say the same of your post.


you said they were pre-birthed genetically engineered.
they were not.

  • 06.16.2009 3:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartan11bungie
Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: xxSpartanxxIIxx
I could say the same of your post.


you said they were pre-birthed genetically engineered.
they were not.

ah... good catch. my mistake.

  • 06.16.2009 3:43 PM PDT

I don't get the turret part or the wraith part, but just I barely went out and swung an eight foot pole without any problems. I don't see why an ODST couldn't do it.

  • 06.16.2009 3:43 PM PDT