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Subject: **THEORY** Halo REACH is about Halo: First Strike (spoilers!)

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I really dislike it when people say "lol uf corse it is based on the book fall of reach u will plese notice the word 'falls' and 'reach' in the same sentance and u would also notice that reach falls in the fall of reach lolol" -- you are incorrect. In many ways.

Reach doesn't even fall in Halo: The Fall of Reach. Halo: TFoR only deals with the first 15 minutes of the space battle, in the last couple chapters. It shows us the combat of 3 Spartans on a 15 minute space battle in which two are KIA, and the survivor, the Master Chief, returns to the PoA and enters cryosleep before Halo 1. This would not make a fun game. 15 minutes?

You know how Halo 3: ODST "drops" onto shelves September 22? I believe that the "falls" 2010 means that is when the game falls onto shelves, but also the fall of the Spartans of Red Team to the surface of Reach.

The Spartans of Red Team were shot down out of the sky at about the time the Chief returned to the Pillar of Autumn to leave for Halo (Halo 1). About 15 minutes ater, the PoA fled the system and went to Alpha Halo. This is when Halo: TFoR ends.

The real battle of Reach is shown in the beginning of Halo: First Strike. It details what happens to the Red Team Spartans. Now, I highly doubt that we will be playing as any known Spartan. If Spartan-259 and -320 from the trailer are playable (or main) characters, it would not fit in with the canon. Fred split his Spartans up when they reached the orbital defense generator facility, as they needed to tackle numerous missions.

Team Alpha (-104, -087, -029) were not ever with a -259 or -320. They were trapped for about two weeks in CASTLE base, with no enemies around.

Team Beta (11 unnamed) were left to defend the orbital generator facility. They are the only team with at least 5 members (the number of sillhouettes in the banner), and also the only one which could have included a combat-effective Spartan-259 or -320.

Team Gamma (-093, -044, -008) were not with a -259 or -320.

Team Delta (-043, -030, -039, and 3 unnamed) were crippled. The named Spartans rallied with Team Alpha, and were stuck in the enemy-less CASTLE base for about two weeks; they were not with a -259 or -320. The 3 unnamed were MIA, but since they didn't recieve the medical attention of Halsey in CASTLE base, they would likely remain crippled; not good for gameplay hobbling through a hectic battlefield for 9 hours.


Thesis: Halo: REACH will probably be based partially on the events at the end of TFoR (to set us up for how Red Team gets sent to the surface), and the beginning of FS (to set up how Red Team splits up), and the main characters are probably members from Team Beta, and will have no contact with Fred, Kelly, Isaac, etc. who were stuck in CASTLE base (though it's possible we meet up with the Gammas at some point).

If this is the case, the game will offer us a new perspective on the battle of Reach, while still showing us events already depicted in the novel (which would not make for a full-length game alone). You can take a look at my own vision of this alternate perspective here.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 12:52 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 12:48 PM PDT

you, sir, make sense! something that's not much seen around here lately :P

  • 06.16.2009 12:55 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

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you, sir, make sense! something that's not much seen around here lately :P

I thought he was going to be your new enemy since he has MLG in his name and he seems to believe that the gun the person in the middle is holding is not an AR.

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Yeah, had thought about it. You can tell who has and who hasn't read the books.

  • 06.16.2009 1:08 PM PDT
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While that thesis does make a great deal of sense and your background info shows how much you know about Halo canon, I agree with the general opinion of the forum that the five spartans in the poster are Sam, Kelly, John, Fred, and Linda. Though it doesn't explain Spartans 259 and 320, it makes sense due to the physique of the characters.

  • 06.16.2009 1:11 PM PDT

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I quite honestly wouldn't be surprised if it covered quite a few of the books. While first strike does have more action than FoR, it still wouldn't be quite enough for a game. Perhaps it would cover the entire story of the SPARTAN-IIs. All leading up to Ghosts of Onyx. It would seem like a big let down to complete the game and leave you wanting the rest of the story.

  • 06.16.2009 1:32 PM PDT

:( its been to long since I read the books.

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  • 06.16.2009 2:22 PM PDT
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I agree 100%. This forum is full of people with almost no common sense.

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A very plauasble theory, as you said the book 'FoR' only lasts like 15 minutes, pretty hard to make a video game about that.

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  • 06.16.2009 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: scotsoe
While that thesis does make a great deal of sense and your background info shows how much you know about Halo canon, I agree with the general opinion of the forum that the five spartans in the poster are Sam, Kelly, John, Fred, and Linda. Though it doesn't explain Spartans 259 and 320, it makes sense due to the physique of the characters.
But there's no reason to assume that Sam was the only Spartan taller than the Chief... and Kelly was never described as being smaller, and Linda wasn't the only Spartan with a sniper, and Fred wasn't known for his knife combat.

  • 06.22.2009 8:14 PM PDT

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I have said many times that I hope the game covers events from Spartan II indoctrination all the way through the events of First Strike, played through multiple POV's. Given the story present, I think this would make for one hell of a game, given the different types of engagements in that timeline.

I too think it is foolish to assume who the Spartans are, though there are definately easy answers, and Bungie is well aware that the majority of it's game fan base know nothing of the books history, so I cannot really blame all of the peole for their theories.

  • 06.22.2009 8:52 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Team Gamma: Mission was to bring Admiral Whitcomb to the MAC Generator Complex Consisting of:
Red Twenty-one
Red Twenty- Two
Red Twenty-three

Team Delta: Mission was to secure fallback coordinates:
Specific numbers aren't listed.
This group consists of the wounded Spartans and the four Marines of Charlie Company

Team Beta: Mission was to guard the Generator Complex: They all presumably died unless stated otherwise: The members of Delta team are presumably included in Team Beta as well. Consists of:
Red Four
Red Five
Red Six
Red Seven
Red Eight
Red Nine
Red Ten
Red Eleven
Red Twelve
Red Thirteen
Red Fourteen
Red Fifteen
Red Sixteen
Red Seventeen
Red Eighteen
Red Nineteen
Red Twenty


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  • 06.22.2009 9:02 PM PDT

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Your theory is the only one I like. It's probably the only one that flows through with few bumps. But, obviously, we really won't know till they release more info.

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This is weird I was just about to make a post about when during the timeline they thought this would happen and I think the same as you, Cheehwawa. However, I feel like it has to deal with some of the beginning because it says in like the tag line, "From the beginning. You know the end" Which means one of two things. It could be the beginning of Spartans, or the beginning of Reach falling

However, I believe its going to be beginning of the Spartans. Which means you probably play as MC since they prob wouldnt want you to see his face and what not. But if they talk about the Fall of Reach I feel like you would have to play as Fred.

Regardless this game has ton of potential to talk more about the books. And I feel like your going to be playing multiple people much like in ODST switching between the squad.

  • 06.22.2009 10:10 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

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However, I feel like it has to deal with some of the beginning because it says in like the tag line, "From the beginning. You know the end" Which means one of two things. It could be the beginning of Spartans, or the beginning of Reach falling


Im pretty sure that what they mean by that is that from Halo 1 you already know that Reach is FUBAR. Watch the first cinematic from Halo 1 and listen carefully at what they say.

I believe this is one of the few links that the game has directly with the novel. This and the beginning of Halo 2.

[Edited on 06.23.2009 12:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.23.2009 12:11 AM PDT

While we all assume the five spartans in the trailer are Fred, Kelly, Vinh, Isaac, and Will, however it is entirely possible that Bungie will introduce previously unknown Spartans as the main characters. Based on the E3 trailer, that seems likely. Master Chief was a member of the first wave of Spartans, but the books repeatedly mention a second group in training. During the trailer, Sierra 320 announces she is ready for insertion and Sierra 259 says there are Spartans on the ground. If these are the call-signs for Spartans, they would be numbered higher than any of the first wave that Master Chief was a member of. And since we don't know how many Spartans took part in the second wave of the training program, it could be that we'll see many more Spartans in one battle than most of us previously thought possible.

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While I agree thats a possibility. I really would think they would have spoken about it more in books.

I remember somewhere in the books that it said the second wave was postponed for some reason. And who was to train them since we know Mendez is actually training S-III with Kurt. I guess I just feel like there are not going to be anymore Spartan-II's. However, I have absolutly no reasonable answer for those 2 call signs in the trailer.

  • 06.23.2009 9:48 AM PDT

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With what they're trying in ODST, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we ended up experiencing parts of multiple teams. But defending the generators will hopefully play a major role in the game.

  • 06.23.2009 10:05 AM PDT

*Reach doesn't even fall in Halo: The Fall of Reach. Halo: TFoR only deals with the first 15 minutes of the space battle, in the last couple chapters. It shows us the combat of 3 Spartans on a 15 minute space battle in which two are KIA, and the survivor, the Master Chief, returns to the PoA and enters cryosleep before Halo 1*

Clearly you've read the books
Except linda isn't KIA
She flatlined and got cryo freezed, then got ejected when the pilar of autumn went into crash mode and afterwards was picked up by MC and finally somewhere midway through first strike she was revived and "healed" by halsey....

And people stop misinterperting the line "From the Beginning, you know the end"
We all know reach will fall however you still fight for it...
It's the bible all over again, in 6 days god created earth and blabla the 7th day he took a nap..... Now everybody considers the Sunday as some freaking holy day.... It's a metaphor, as in don't overwork yourself take a day off.... same as all the other bible stories. Mozes never split the sea he just found a way through a swamp which no one thought of possible..... METAPHOR PEOPLE!



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Lol.

I do believe that ppl already know that.

But i do have to agree with MLG Cheehwawa.

There are many Theory's about this epic game, but im sure its just going to the same as the book or books just more funn and epic.

  • 06.23.2009 10:26 AM PDT

Nice work, about the only post that seems to make sense in here. The only comment I have is that we don't know what all the call signs for the spartans were, some are saying "the numbers don't go that high (320, 259) for the spartans" Well, we dont know for sure do we? Heck, Spartan -117, there were never 117 spartans, if I remember right roughly 70 from the beginning... just my 2 cents

  • 06.23.2009 10:29 AM PDT

The strongest Rivals are also the strongest allies.

wrong book, master chief destroys the orbital gun platform in HALO:F.O.R and many of the spartans are cooked by the covenant glassing the planet.

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..........yes that makes sense. because bungie likes to mess with our heads so they named it REACH so all of the stupid simpletons that usually inhabit the forums would think," oh lol it r bout t3h f411 0v R34ch that r so w1n !!!1!one!11!!!eleven!!" but you being the cogitative master that you are realize that it was actually about first strike. cocky bastard, seriously you talked -blam!- if the first paragraph then restated what you denounced as your theory. fail less k thx bai

  • 06.23.2009 11:16 AM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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Everything is this forum is of wild speculation right now, although your theories do show some intellect, and some thought behind them, it is only speculation.

What I am hoping for is a totally new perspective and a totally new story.

  • 06.23.2009 11:46 AM PDT

But it's a prequel, though first strike would be great

  • 06.23.2009 11:50 AM PDT

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But it's a prequel, though first strike would be great
First Strike was both a prequal and sequal to Halo 1.

  • 06.23.2009 11:51 AM PDT

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