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Subject: A new perspective

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I have seen a few threads about the possibility that Halo: Reach is a sequel to Halo 3, and just as many adamant denials by other posters. What I want to do is insert a fresh opinion into the mix.

Try to see this game from a story standpoint. Why would Bungie make a game about something already covered in a book, without adding a plot twist of significance? I don't think they would. Plot twists seem to be one of their specialities.

Now its not definitely a sequel, but one comment saying the game is a confirmed prequel doesn't negate anything. With time travel in the mix, especially Halo's special brand of time travel (READ THE BOOKS), It could be an overall prequel, but still be MC's sequel. IF Bungie is doing that, they have creatively given themselves TONS of wiggle room for answering questions.

Now, with all of that said, Bungie may truly be creating a pure blooded prequel with an interesting twist that we have yet to see. Heck, they might not have a twist. But then why would we play.

I guess what I want to say is that almost nobody will go to the theater to watch a movie if they already know what happens. We already know what happens at Reach, so if there isn't anything new, fans will be rightfully angry.

  • 06.16.2009 7:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: masterchief54
I guess what I want to say is that almost nobody will go to the theater to watch a movie if they already know what happens. We already know what happens at Reach, so if there isn't anything new, fans will be rightfully angry.


I guess that's why the Harry Potter movies did so badly. No one that read the books went to see them. [/sarcasm]



There are a ton of things that are not covered in the books that we know nothing about. I suggest you go back and read them. Identify how many parts are there that they just skip time and all that empty space could be filled with a novel, a game or even a movie.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 7:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 7:53 PM PDT

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EXACTLY! Thats why the guy who plays Harry Potter is the worlds richest minor,l the movies are based on books! Finally someone with some sense!
/sarcasm

  • 06.16.2009 7:57 PM PDT

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You obviously missed my point. I'm not saying that movies based on books are bad or uninteresting. I'm saying that if nothing new is covered, the story isn't as compelling. Perhaps the movies example wasn't good, but the point stands. Harry Potter did well because it brought an interesting story to life. You could now SEE the characters where before you could not (aside from book covers). With Halo its different. you already can SEE the story, because you've played the game. So covering previous events with nothing new amounts to less interest.

The people at Bungie are smart, and they are well paid to figure out what will go over best. All I'm saying is that plot twists is where the smart money is at.

  • 06.16.2009 8:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: masterchief54
You obviously missed my point. I'm not saying that movies based on books are bad or uninteresting. I'm saying that if nothing new is covered, the story isn't as compelling. Perhaps the movies example wasn't good, but the point stands. Harry Potter did well because it brought an interesting story to life. You could now SEE the characters where before you could not (aside from book covers). With Halo its different. you already can SEE the story, because you've played the game. So covering previous events with nothing new amounts to less interest.

The people at Bungie are smart, and they are well paid to figure out what will go over best. All I'm saying is that plot twists is where the smart money is at.


The thing is that you actually said that in different words. So as far as the movie example goes, its horrible. Your next example falls into the "throw me to the trash because im defective" category too.

Harry Potter is the same thing exept that in Harry Potter instead of a game, its a movie. According to your logic:

You have already seen the first movie so seeing the others wont add anything.

Also you fail to realize (as i said on my first post) that there are a bunch of holes in the Halo novels in which you can fill up with either new games, new novels or hell even a movie. We know almost nothing about the Battle in Reach. Its a whole damn planet thats being attacked. We just know what happens to a few Spartans.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 8:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 8:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: masterchief54
Now its not definitely a sequel, but one comment saying the game is a confirmed prequel doesn't negate anything. With time travel in the mix, especially Halo's special brand of time travel (READ THE BOOKS), It could be an overall prequel, but still be MC's sequel. IF Bungie is doing that, they have creatively given themselves TONS of wiggle room for answering questions.


There has been no time travel in the books, time travel has been shot down as a valid plot point by the main author of the earlier books. Your perspective isn't new if it still banks on time travel as it's crutch, which is all the time travle theory is, a crutch, and that is why there is a nearly 100% Bungie won't resort to it, it's a weak story telling convention.

  • 06.16.2009 8:34 PM PDT

Wasn't the only instance of Halo time travel in Dead or Alive?

  • 06.16.2009 8:40 PM PDT

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Ok, BTE. Lets indulge ourselves.

Why would you do anything if you don't get something new out of it? Simple answer: you wouldn't.

Now I'll address your point. As I stated, it doesn't have to be time travel, it could be SOME OTHER PLOT TWIST THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET.

On to more constructive matters, people seem to be bashing time travel a lot, and I can't see why. I can understand the frustration with the definite proof people, but not time travel as a whole.

If you think about it, time travel has one important thing going for it: the 'secret' ending. After the credits in Halo:CE, 343 GS flies across the screen which implies he'll return. After Halo 2's credits, Cortana and Gravemind had a little chat, implying their mutual involvement will be important. After Halo 3's credits, the MC is floating above a planet that has been populated at one point, and could still be populated. That implies that the MC is not done, and that the planet will be important. If its Reach, it fits.

Finally, heres another thought. What if the planet really is Reach, but not back in time. Perhaps the story in this game will build up to the MC's return to Reach.

  • 06.16.2009 8:44 PM PDT

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There actually has been manipulation of time in slipspace. I think it was in First Strike, involving the artifact from Reach. Not actual time travel, but dangerously close. As far as your point on Bungie using time travel, you said it yourself, NEARLY 100%. I'm only saying its not DEFINITELY out.

  • 06.16.2009 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: masterchief54
Why would you do anything if you don't get something new out of it?


It's a new game, we're getting something new out of it. Even if it's the same story, it's still the same story being told in a new way

  • 06.16.2009 9:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: masterchief54
Ok, BTE. Lets indulge ourselves.

Why would you do anything if you don't get something new out of it? Simple answer: you wouldn't.
Ever since i read GoO i have wanted to play a game in which you play as S-III Alpha and do the suicide mission. Same with S-III Beta and their suicide mission. Something about a huge massive war with 300+ Spartans catches my attention. Why do you say that you wont get anything new out of it? Reading something and then playing it or seeing it is something new. For some reason you don't seem to think so. Also as i have said earlier (in this thread). There are so many holes in the novels you could fit other novels, games or even movies on it. Just knowing what happens on those "holes" (as im calling them) is something new, so you will be getting something new out of it.


Posted by: masterchief54
On to more constructive matters, people seem to be bashing time travel a lot, and I can't see why. I can understand the frustration with the definite proof people, but not time travel as a whole.

When writers have already said that time travel is a dumb cliche and its overused you gotta really wonder the possibility of it being in the game. What we saw on the teaser (the words at the begining) also hint that the game is a Prequel.


Posted by: masterchief54
If you think about it, time travel has one important thing going for it: the 'secret' ending. After the credits in Halo:CE, 343 GS flies across the screen which implies he'll return. After Halo 2's credits, Cortana and Gravemind had a little chat, implying their mutual involvement will be important. After Halo 3's credits, the MC is floating above a planet that has been populated at one point, and could still be populated. That implies that the MC is not done, and that the planet will be important. If its Reach, it fits.

You also seem to forget that on Halo 1 we had the black marine (the one using the Johnson model) fighting against an elite, and then hugging when the PoA Blows up. Then on Halo 2.... OMFG ITS JOHNSON

Posted by: masterchief54
Finally, heres another thought. What if the planet really is Reach, but not back in time. Perhaps the story in this game will build up to the MC's return to Reach.

Bungie said that the whole Master Chief arc would end with Halo 3. Sure, what if that planet is infact Reach. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.

  • 06.16.2009 9:07 PM PDT
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The planet at the end is not Reach. That doesn't look like any normal planet. If you think it looks like Reach then you can say it looks like Earth since both planets are almost identical. Oh my perhaps after Halo 3 it's 77 years later and Chief finally makes it back to Earth and everyone is dead becaue the flood somehow survived and destroyed everything. See what I did right there? I made a theory based off of things that I WANTED the game to be like. Heck the whole flood still on Earth is more believale than that. And don't say that it isn't Earth because there isn't any suns because Reach had suns and planets around it also. See now my crappy made up theory that I made while typing this is just as believable as the Reach one. It's not Reach or Earth it's a mysterious planet that NOBODY knows what it is and NOBODY has any information on it.

[Edited on 06.16.2009 9:28 PM PDT]

  • 06.16.2009 9:27 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: masterchief54
There actually has been manipulation of time in slipspace. I think it was in First Strike, involving the artifact from Reach. Not actual time travel, but dangerously close. As far as your point on Bungie using time travel, you said it yourself, NEARLY 100%. I'm only saying its not DEFINITELY out.


That was not time manipulation it was a time anomoly, and it was nothing like time travel, it was time dilation. But your right in one respect, there is no certainty, in any direction.

  • 06.17.2009 12:14 AM PDT