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Subject: My god, what have they done? (Natal)
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Im sorry, do you not find this stupid?
I understand the the implication of Natal and the far stretching reach it could have. I know its a huge step for gaming, I just feel its a huge step in the wrong direction.
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So, you want to stay in controller land forever, or do you want to get to the point that Virtual reality is possible, where every movement is actually just impulses from your brain to your body intercepted by a computer and relayed onto a game screen?

thought so.
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Halo 3: ODST comes with a multiplayer beta for the game. If Reach used Natal, how exactly would we play the demo?

Natal is an add-on. Its basically a souped up vision cam.


again, what does that have to do with Reach in the slightest?

The video was just an example of what I meant by me thinking it was stupid.
Honestly I think that Natal would be good for nothing more then a cheesy party gimmick...
and I think it would ruin Halo.
Some things may be incorporated and I really hope we have the option to not use it.


Natal is a step forward in gaming. Maybe not FPS's, which I more or less agree with, but it is a future investment for Virtual Reality, which MOST DEFINITELY would be awesome in FPS's.

But honestly, I am a fan of Dragonballz, and considering the accuracy of the movement on the screen, I can see the game being ALL natal, or at least mostly natal. A Joystick all by itself with buttons for types of attack (hold a for punches, hold b for kicks, hold c for ki, which includes special attack motions).


Along with the NATAL incorporated gameplay, it could be played with a controller.

  • 06.16.2009 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImTriForceGuy
And another thing about the Reach Beta, for all we know the menu on ODST may trigger a DL or something. We don't know exactly how it will work.


Actually, bungie has stated that the Reach beta is a built in feature, if it requires download it will be in an Auto-Update that activates it.

  • 06.16.2009 10:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImTriForceGuy
Honestly I think that Natal would be good for nothing more then a cheesy party gimmick...
Thankfully, you won't be the one developing games and applications for Natal.

It's more than a souped up camera. Natal incorporates technologies that Microsoft has been working on for a decade. If you were familiar with some of the technologies MS is working on and their vision for integrating those technologies into your life, you would understand the possiblities for Natal.

Human interface technology is one of the most important and exciting revolutions in technology right now. In fact, we're not going to advance much technologically until we find a replacement for the mouse,keyboard and monitor. Natal is actually a set of revolutionary technologies that's being launched as part of a game console. That might be deceptive for most but wait until you see how it changes things.

The only way Natal could fail to revolutionize a dozen technologies is if something better and cheaper comes along really fast.


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  • 06.16.2009 10:29 PM PDT
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it been said b4 natal is the early version of skynet

  • 06.16.2009 10:57 PM PDT

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natal is a new form of gaming, Reach is a new game 99% sure they wont have anything in common.


i fear that 1%

  • 06.16.2009 11:02 PM PDT

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I dont like the idea of Natal.. Well i guess im ok with it as long as it stays away from Halo.

  • 06.16.2009 11:11 PM PDT

get out of here stalker

Why not consider that, because FPSs aren't made for Natal they won't be MADE for natal?
You're thinking as if the developers for natal's games haven't already thought of this, and if pure common sense doesn't stop them from making an FPS, then surely developing one will see how bad it is without a controller.
You cannot play games with complex motions, like halo 3, or any game that requires running and shooting, without a controller. Either you use your legs and run into the TV, or use your arms to make running motions and shoot and throw grenades while doing it.
If there will be any Project Natal shooter, it will probably incorporate a controller. Not a controller like an Xbox 360 or PS3 controller (or the main Wiimote, even) but probably something like the Wii nunchuck to make it 'controller-free' as possible. Maybe minimizing them is the closest thing. I still don't think project natal is a bad idea however, it includes different gameplay elements, it may make some really fun games. Cheesy and party games don't always go together, and you might not have to do everything in project natal as crazy as the people in the ad. Do you think everyone who owns a Wii swings their arms so dynamically as the commercials have them do? Probably not.

  • 06.16.2009 11:19 PM PDT

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Its just an add-on like a vision camera you dont have to buy it.

  • 06.16.2009 11:34 PM PDT

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Research before rant!!!

I did research... and where does it say, anywhere that Natal will NOT be incorporated?

Where does it say it will?

  • 06.16.2009 11:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImTriForceGuy
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Research before rant!!!

I did research... and where does it say, anywhere that Natal will NOT be incorporated?


Was there any slight inkling that it WOULD be?

Does this mean that because it isn't said that Domino's pizza isn't made with 15% vasoline that it might be?
You sir need to go visit the Domino's website before you make a fool of yourself like that.

  • 06.16.2009 11:38 PM PDT
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I wouldn't mind having both, controller and Natal.

I can see that happening.

  • 06.17.2009 12:38 AM PDT

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For all of those people who think that "natal" will ruin Halo watch this movie trailer:

http://gamerthemovie.com/

now after watching that and i know what your thinking "Natal" yup me too!

And if you are a hardcore gamer or just into casual gaming you can't say that would not be AWESOME!

let me know what you think!

  • 06.21.2009 6:45 PM PDT
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It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Considering the reach beta comes out when ODST comes out I don't think Bungie could incorporate that into the game fast enough.

  • 06.21.2009 7:56 PM PDT

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Am I the only one that thinks Natal is absolutely stupid? I realize its M$'s way of trying to horn in on Nintendo's action but the Wii is not that bad. You can still play Wii sitting down or with just a regular controller. I fear that Natal will be a part of Reach, and if it is, I don't know if I'll buy it.
The idea is kinda novel though, no controller and you use your body to do everything but, for an FPS, that's the worst idea ever. Its one of those, ya sure the idea behind is good, the product itself seems ok but in the end it sucks and causes more trouble and frustration then is needed... kind of like a ShamWow. A videogame shouldn't require you to stand up and look/act like an idiot in front of a TV when all you want to do is sit down after a long day of work and relax. \What do you guys think of Natal?
I honestly think that it would ruin Halo if it gets incorporated in, I just don't think there is any good way to make it work with an FPS.
I assure you, there is no possible way that Halo: Reach will have Project Natal incorporated into it in any way.

I think that Bungie well knows that something like that would not go well with the gaming world. Also, it would take a long period of time to harness and create a game like another Halo with that kind of technology.

I hate to see all these dumb Project Natal threads in the Halo: Reach forum.

But the problem is that Bungie no longer owns Halo. Microsoft will do just about anything to make a buck.

  • 06.21.2009 8:02 PM PDT
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Halo Reach beta will come with odst(even though it wont be available at the beginning, it will most likely come before Natal. And more, Halo Reach may even come sooner then Natal.

  • 06.21.2009 8:31 PM PDT

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Natal might be cool, but I think that it would probably be the one sure fire way that I would be disappointed by Halo: Reach if its not separate from the normal way to play it.

  • 06.21.2009 9:02 PM PDT
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RAWR!

first off i dont think any game can be 100% natal, except arcade games, you still need a controller to reload and jump and all that stuff. project natal looks cool, and even if natal is involved with halo reach you still have the option not to use it, so stop crying! we havnt seen much of natal or reach for that matter.

  • 06.21.2009 9:22 PM PDT

I doubt it's going into H:R.

  • 06.21.2009 9:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImTriForceGuy
Im sorry, do you not find this stupid?
I understand the the implication of Natal and the far stretching reach it could have. I know its a huge step for gaming, I just feel its a huge step in the wrong direction.

Posted by: x MibZ x

Halo 3: ODST comes with a multiplayer beta for the game. If Reach used Natal, how exactly would we play the demo?

Natal is an add-on. Its basically a souped up vision cam.

If its an add on to reach what the hell are you worrying about it wont be mandatory. using it probably wont provide any advantages! who care's honestly I think it would be cool to play a halo game where i have to run and shoot myself. but of course with a gun controller to shoot.

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  • 06.21.2009 9:40 PM PDT

Confound these ponies, they drive me to insomnia.

Also, Applejack ftw.

Actually, NATAL and reach could be really cool, and completely full of win if we got special controllers.

Now, NATAL... It's point is to stop using controllers, but what if for FPS's we actually got gun controllers. Kinda' like a scangun, but different. Switchable weapons, actual aiming involved...

Actually. That idea sucks.

  • 06.21.2009 9:55 PM PDT

Natal is just an up-and-coming idea. It is far from the advanced body mechanics needed to operate a first person shooter. How do you pull the trigger? How do you jump? How do you run? These are all things that will be impossible to incorporate into an FPS for a long time. Don't worry, you won't see any Natal games much better than that painting demo and maybe bowling.

  • 06.21.2009 9:59 PM PDT

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If it was optional for Reach, I think it would be awesome.

I agree, if it was the only option, it would suck. But, every now and then for a change of pace it would be cool to be able to play it with natal IMO ^_^

  • 06.21.2009 10:02 PM PDT

The BETA should be coming out before Natal does. Don't worry, this Halo title won't be ruined by the lack of dual analog.

  • 06.21.2009 10:03 PM PDT

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bungie is not owned by microsoft anymore so i doubt it

EDIT: plus they're having a demo later why would they make you buy Natal to play a demo?

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ok i dont get why some of u guys r getting panties in a bunch a acting like allthe devlepors are screw over the lazy people with natal i mean so think about it u guys cause i mean if the games that have natal dont have setting were u can use a controllar microsoft would be loseing money cause once people just start buying natal instead of controllers wats gonna happen to the games that can only use controllers. it wouldnt make much sence if they just took controllers out of the ig fps picture

  • 06.21.2009 10:18 PM PDT

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