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Subject: Just to Clear things up a bit

Posted by: spartanz_8
4. We won't be fighting brutes in Halo Reach. Again...if you've read the books...you'll know that the first time the SPARTANS saw Brutes was on Unyeilding Hierophant which happened after Reach.


This is wrong actually. The first time the humans encountered Brutes was the invasion of Harvest, which was way before Reach fell. It is possible that brutes may be present in the game, although Brutes weren't mentioned to have been involved in the attack on Reach so it's unlikely.

[Edited on 06.17.2009 4:48 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Posted by: spartanz_8
Any who, if you read the book, we never see brutes during the fall of Reach .
None of the Spartans we follow in the book see brutes on reach. S-259 and S-320 weren't part of blue team.
Also, I'm nitpicky, so I must inform you that snakes on a banshee was right about the definition of irony.

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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

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Posted by: spartanz_8
4. We won't be fighting brutes in Halo Reach. Again...if you've read the books...you'll know that the first time the SPARTANS saw Brutes was on Unyeilding Hierophant which happened after Reach.


This is wrong actually. The first time the humans encountered Brutes was the invasion of Harvest, which was way before Reach fell.
There weren't any spartans at the battle of harvest. Only marines.

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Frankie said it was "embraced as canon". Joe Staten, in that very same year said that they were working toward figuring out what was considered canon and what was not, which means these statements either contradict each other, or more likely, they mean the same thing... that not all of ILB is considered canonical at the time (and we have had no further update on its status since then).

I mentioned this awhile ago but you wrote it off as being Staten's original 2004 interview, which was incorrect. Given this information, we still can not say whether a Class-II is part of the halo story or not.

Given the fact that there could be a 2nd class of Spartan lls and the numbers that the Spartans gave in the trailer, 320 and 259, I think there was a second class and they are members of it.

Well, while I respectfully disagree, I think that there are some compelling counter-arguments that should be considered before you put all your eggs into just one basket on this debated issue.

  • 06.17.2009 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartanz_8
4. We won't be fighting brutes in Halo Reach. Again...if you've read the books...you'll know that the first time the SPARTANS saw Brutes was on Unyeilding Hierophant which happened after Reach.


This is wrong actually. The first time the humans encountered Brutes was the invasion of Harvest, which was way before Reach fell.
There weren't any spartans at the battle of harvest. Only marines.

Oh, sorry. I read that as humans. Either way, it is still possible for the game to include brutes.

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Well, based on the numbering they are both obviously not from the first class of Spartan lls, so that leaves a second class of them or they are Spartan llls, and to my knowledge none were on Reach, they were all on Onyx. So what alternative is there to a second class of Spartan ll? If we are even playing as Spartans?

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Posted by: spartanz_8
4. We won't be fighting brutes in Halo Reach. Again...if you've read the books...you'll know that the first time the SPARTANS saw Brutes was on Unyeilding Hierophant which happened after Reach.


This is wrong actually. The first time the humans encountered Brutes was the invasion of Harvest, which was way before Reach fell.
There weren't any spartans at the battle of harvest. Only marines.

Oh, sorry. I read that as humans. Either way, it is still possible for the game to include brutes.


I agree a lot of SPartans were held underground so they might have not seen any Brutes at the time but doesn't mean they weren't on Reach

  • 06.17.2009 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
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Posted by: spartanz_8

[quote]2. There was never another class of Spartan IIs trained. Before Mendez could even train a new class of Spartan IIs the war with the Covenant began and shortly after he was charged with training Spartan IIIs. Therefore the Spartan heard in the teaser trailer is not in the Second Class of Spartan IIs.
Frankie called ILB canon, and the Class IIs are from ILB... so they are real. I think that S-259 is a Class I though.
mhh i didn't know this....Thx lol

Frankie said it was "embraced as canon". Joe Staten, in that very same year said that they were working toward figuring out what was considered canon and what was not, which means these statements either contradict each other, or more likely, they mean the same thing... that not all of ILB is considered canonical at the time (and we have had no further update on its status since then).

I mentioned this awhile ago but you wrote it off as being Staten's original 2004 interview, which was incorrect. Given this information, we still can not say whether a Class-II is part of the halo story or not.
Do you have a quote? I'd like to believe you, and I will as soon as I see a quote... I haven't ever hear him say something like that. If he did, I'd like to know so I can stop saying he didn't =p

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Posted by: dogmachines
Well, based on the numbering they are both obviously not from the first class of Spartan lls

I guess I can't expect you to click on my link.

Your statement is not necessarily true. One of the biggest counter-arguments to the Class-II Spartan-II theory is that we do not know how many original subjects were considered for the Spartan-II Project. We know that after in-depth genetic screening, the number was reduced to 150, and then personally inspected to be reduced down to 75 due to budgetary constraints, but the question is whether those original 150 was dwindled down from an even larger pool of candidates (say 350, just to throw a number out there), rather than simply only 150 candidates out of every human child they had in the database.

Dr. Halsey mentions that the project was currently in "phase two" when she and Keyes were traveling to Elysium City to inspect John in person. We have no clue what phase one, or even the entirety of phase two actually consisted of, but I gave a pretty good real life example of why it would make sense that a larger pool was originally considered.

It's worth a read, as I cannot post everything in that thread here (it is a very long theory, which is why I linked it instead), but if you won't bother, at least consider the above.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Do you have a quote? I'd like to believe you, and I will as soon as I see a quote... I haven't ever hear him say something like that. If he did, I'd like to know so I can stop saying he didn't =p[/quote]


2006 Halo Story Page interview with Joseph Staten

HSP: The dialogue from the Halo 3 trailer bears obvious similarity to the Cortana Letters from the early Halo days. Given that they have been discouraged as canon over the years, are they now to be afforded greater consideration? Additionally, the Letters themselves were strongly reminiscent of the messages from Durandal, the rampant AI from Marathon. What are your thoughts on "rampancy," AIs in the Halo universe, and Cortana specifically?

JS: Canon is tricky (see my controversial statement about "I Love Bees" - believe it or not, we're actually working to answer the "is it, or isn't it?" question right now!). The Halo story has as many loose threads as influences. And we do our best to sew the former into canon as we find them - are reminded of their potential. The Cortana Letters are an excellent example of this phenomenon. For all sorts of reasons, they lingered in canonical purgatory for years. But when we needed some compelling dialog to remind folks what's at stake in Halo3: Bam! Newfound utility! Alas, I'd have to say that, as of now, the only canonized parts of the letters are the fragments we pulled for use in the announcement trailer.


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  • 06.17.2009 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartanz_8
1. There were no Spartan IIIs on Reach when it fell. During the battle of Reach the Spartan IIIs (Delta Company) were on Onyx.

I have said this before..
Ghosts of Onyx page 109. This chapter took place at 0210 Hours, February 20, 2551.
He had to go congradulate Gamma Company . . . and welcome them into the brotherhood of Spartans.

That was when Kurt recieved the Slipspace COM Probe with a message about the drugs used in Project CHRYSANTHEMIUM while he was watching the progress of the augmentations to see that every one of the 330 candidates made it through. This was over a year before The Battle of Reach, so Gamma Company was active and possibly made an appearance on Reach.

  • 06.17.2009 7:00 PM PDT

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lol Seeing that clearly we can't come to agree in anything why don't we all act like the adults I suppose we all are, put all of this behind us, and wait for bungie to clear up that they haven't contradicted themselves when Halo Reach is released. Till then I'll stay with what I know.

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