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The Spartan Laser.

The Laser in Halo 3 is an improvement over the Homing Rocket Launcher in Halo 2. However, my problems with the Spartan Laser are these:

1- It's too easy to use. My grandmother could pwn teh nubs with this thing. When you zoom in with it you get a stupid amount of aim-assist for a weapon of this power. Simply put, it's too easy to aim.

2 - It lags. Bungie decided not to include the Fire Bombs in Halo 3's matchmaking. Well, i'll be damned if I ever see the Laser actually Fire and kill me.

3- Going back to Point 1, it's too easy to use. It's virtually a hitscan weapon. Combined with all of the aim assist, it makes vehicles pretty much a death trap.

I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).

Instead of the Laser, we should have something similar, but you should have to lead the shot. It would make the "Laser" a worthwhile weapon in the right hands, and wouldn't completely nerf the vehicles.

Feel free to flame, comment, or whatever it is you people do these days.

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
The laser should be replaced by a Gauss Rifle (the one from Contact Harvest, that Johnson used). Same power as the laser, only you would actually need to lead your shots, so it would require some skill, rather than just point and click.


[Edited on 06.19.2009 12:10 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 6:30 AM PDT

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just seems like someone doesn't like to be killed by it over and over lol

  • 06.18.2009 6:42 AM PDT

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A weapon I would like to see removed from Halo Reach

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  • 06.18.2009 6:51 AM PDT
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You have some good points....

  • 06.18.2009 6:53 AM PDT
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NO.

  • 06.18.2009 6:55 AM PDT
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Your exactly right pheonix, if the laser is so easy to use then why dont you see as many laser kills as you do beatdowns? the laser is just as skilled of a weapon as the sniper rifle. the aiming is no different from any other weapon. and the reason its a heavy vehicle killer is very simple, the bigger the target, the easier the shot. you have to lead with the laser or at least be able to drag the shot across your target. because the laser isnt just a one shot weapon, it comes out in four very quick bursts. and i know of countless times of me aiming and firing at someone and it just lowering their sheild, and i know of being shot with the laser and it just making me red barred, because i was only hit with one burst, you have to be hit with a minimum of two in order to get a kill, just like the sniper rifle. if any weapon, the laser should stay, its in my top three of favorites actually.


top 3 favorite weapons,

1. BR
2. Laser
3. Needler

  • 06.18.2009 6:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix Z117
just seems like someone doesn't like to be killed by it over and over lol


What this guy said

  • 06.18.2009 7:02 AM PDT
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it wont be in reach because it was only recently developed around halo 3's time, reach is before halo 3 so logically it wont be there

  • 06.18.2009 7:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Delta 15t
A weapon I would like to see removed from Halo Reach

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I wasn't whining. I was suggesting.

If I were whining, my post would have went something like this:

BAWWW BUNGIE PLZ TAEK OUT THE LASER.

I hate how I can't make a simple criticism against something that's in a game without being called a "whiner" or a "crybaby" or something. Learn the different between criticism and BAWWWing, please.

And no, you don't really have to lead shots with the Laser. I should know, I have enough kills with the bloody thing. Hogs, Tanks, Ghosts, Choppers, the Laser destroys them all, and renders them useless. The Laser is A LOT easier than the Sniper Rifle to aim and use. As soon as I picked the thing up in the Halo 3 Beta I could use it efficiently. I still struggle to use the Sniper.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 7:17 AM PDT]

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Posted by: FiendishHollow
it wont be in reach because it was only recently developed around halo 3's time, reach is before halo 3 so logically it wont be there


This is true, but Bungie seem to be using Retroactive Continuity with regards to weapons. The Laser was In Halo Wars (Final Upgrade for Spartans if you've never played the game), which took place before the events of Halo:CE.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 7:13 AM PDT]

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yeah man, thats right too. i was just defending my laser lol.

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yeah, if your aiming at a mountain. you dont have to lead shots against heavy equipment. i was talking about actual players. you can get all of the bs double laser kills in a worthog all you want, but in a splasers game, its a totally different story dude.

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Posted by: Phoenix Z117
just seems like someone doesn't like to be killed by it over and over lol

Thats it.

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I think its pretty awesome, but If it left I'd want the return of the homing SPNKR. I loved that thing. I made it a muffin.

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Posted by: FiendishHollow
it wont be in reach because it was only recently developed around halo 3's time, reach is before halo 3 so logically it wont be there


Well it was in Halo Wars for some reason so it could be in Reach.

  • 06.18.2009 7:28 AM PDT
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

Personally, I agree. Reach is going back to a time when weaponry wasn't so sophisticated, the UNSC hadn't broken out the big, new, shiny guns so much yet. I'd like it if we just went back to projectile-only weapons... get a good, honest reminder of what Halo: CE was like.

Plus, I just like guns a lot. And the Spartan Laser is annoyingly over-powered.

  • 06.18.2009 7:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
What if, when we use Johnson in Firefight, and a new wave starts that drops Jackals, and we happen to be on a map with a courtyard... You know what I'm thinking?
... we got Jackals in the courtyard..

While it's easy to use, an new Halo playing idiot would never get a kill with it. And please, it's easy to dodge a laser. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam. Put simply, hide.On foot, hide behind something your size, and jump up and down to get there. If your in a warthog, drive behind a rock. Banshee, try some quick maneveurs, or, once again, hide behind something. If you can't do these, your dodging and driving skills suck. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam.

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I dont know why u RETARDS cant just consider what dis guy is saying. The laser is by far the easiest power weapon to use. If u had a sniper and faced off wit a guy wit a laser ( no scopes ) honestly..... who do u think would win. in halo 3 beta, now, i cant even get in a vehicle on a heavy map without the fear of as soon as i get in, a noob will laser the crap out of me. the laser destroys EVERYTHING. it's not a horrable weapon, just too easy to use. And yes, i hope it's not in halo: reach.

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no more then a rocket launcher. the spartan laser is to vehicles, what the rrocket launher is to spartans. thats it. but its clearly said that if you can blow up a moving warthog from a distance with a rocket launcher, it takes some skill. and the same goes for the laser, if you can kill a moving, not mention jumping spartan with a laser from a distance, you have skill. (if you do this on a regular basis)

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Posted by: RvB Rocks95
What if, when we use Johnson in Firefight, and a new wave starts that drops Jackals, and we happen to be on a map with a courtyard... You know what I'm thinking?
... we got Jackals in the courtyard..

Posted by: xXPinkMaggotXx
no more then a rocket launcher. the spartan laser is to vehicles, what the rrocket launher is to spartans. thats it. but its clearly said that if you can blow up a moving warthog from a distance with a rocket launcher, it takes some skill. and the same goes for the laser, if you can kill a moving, not mention jumping spartan with a laser from a distance, you have skill. (if you do this on a regular basis)


See this makes sense.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 7:39 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 7:38 AM PDT

I agree. I used to be a huge fan of BTB, but the spartan laser has made it less fun in Halo 3. I would not be dissapointed if it was not brought back.

However, I think we should make sure they never bring back the spiker in matchmaking. Who actually uses it?

  • 06.18.2009 7:40 AM PDT

Posted by: ChukNoris622
While it's easy to use, an new Halo playing idiot would never get a kill with it. And please, it's easy to dodge a laser. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam. Put simply, hide.On foot, hide behind something your size, and jump up and down to get there. If your in a warthog, drive behind a rock. Banshee, try some quick maneveurs, or, once again, hide behind something. If you can't do these, your dodging and driving skills suck. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam.


It's easy to dodge if you're playing people who are awful (which is often the case if you're playing on a big map to begin with).. As discussed, there is no lead time with the laser. Which means you absolutely HAVE to see the laser guy before he sees you, or your dead.

Obviously, anybody can pick it up and use it- but that's not a real counter-argument. The weapon sucks, period. The reason it sucks is because the warning sucks. Seeing the line just isn't good enough for a weapon this powerful. When i use it i just hide the laser pointer until right before i shoot the guy, either behind a rock or out of their sight (warning eliminated= instant death) And i don't even have to be accurate with the thing, it destroys whatever i'm shooting- period.




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Posted by: ChukNoris622
While it's easy to use, an new Halo playing idiot would never get a kill with it. And please, it's easy to dodge a laser. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam. Put simply, hide.On foot, hide behind something your size, and jump up and down to get there. If your in a warthog, drive behind a rock. Banshee, try some quick maneveurs, or, once again, hide behind something. If you can't do these, your dodging and driving skills suck. It's easy to tell if your getting laser, either you see the guy or you see the little red beam.


Seriously? Have you tried dodging Lasers on maps like Standoff, Avalanche and Sandtrap? It's not because I suck, it's because it's nearly impossible to. I only ever dodge Lasers when the person firing the Laser in question sucks.

And again, back to my point about lag, about half the time I never see the actual Laser being fired, nor do I see the "warning beam" (For lack of a better term). Sometimes, I just randomly explode out of nowhere when I get lasered.

The Laser is fun to use, but getting killed by it sucks, because if you're in a vehicle, you don't stand a chance.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 8:07 AM PDT]

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I see your dilemma.

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the laser takes skill, any noob can pick up a weapon and get one or two kills with it. but when get ahold of a laser three times to kill 12 people out of the available 15 shots, you have skill. PERIOD.

  • 06.18.2009 8:16 AM PDT