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How about less aim-assist or make the aim shake slightly when it's being used?

  • 06.18.2009 9:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: J dot Rizzle
How about less aim-assist or make the aim shake slightly when it's being used?
Works for me.

Anything to make it slightly more difficult to use, because its problem is that it's far too easy to use right now.

  • 06.18.2009 9:31 AM PDT
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Wouldn't be a massive problem to rid of vehicles with a shaky aim, but people on foot would stand a bit more of a chance, which is a result.

  • 06.18.2009 9:33 AM PDT

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To combat your argument, they (read: Bungie) should reduce the number of shots from the laser to three shots, maybe two. That way, the Spartan Laser will serve its intended purpose as an anti-vehicle weapon, not as an anti-everything weapon.

There, problem solved.
No, problem not solved. It wouldn't change the fact that the weapon lags, and is too easy to use.


I would have to disagree; reducing the number of shots from five to two will force players to use the weapon as intended; waste both shots on a couple of virtural meat bags, then you'll regret making such an idiotic decision when an enemy warthog comes passing by.

Still, to each of his own, I guess. Maybe your right with how easy it is to use the weapon. Keep in mind, this is a videogame, not a military simulator.

  • 06.18.2009 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pokeh
The Spartan Laser.

The Laser in Halo 3 is an improvement over the Homing Rocket Launcher in Halo 2. However, my problems with the Spartan Laser are these:

1- It's too easy to use. My grandmother could pwn teh nubs with this thing. When you zoom in with it you get a stupid amount of aim-assist for a weapon of this power. Simply put, it's too easy to aim.


Not necessarily true, I've missed and have seen people miss with the laser. This is especially true in close quarters combat. If you don't see that person coming for you within four seconds you're a dead man.

2 - It lags. Bungie decided not to include the Fire Bombs in Halo 3's matchmaking. Well, i'll be damned if I ever see the Laser actually Fire and kill me.

Bungie didn't include Fire Bombs in matchmaking because the animation of fire, and a lot of it, can lag a game pretty quickly. And I'm afraid that every weapon has lag in a laggy game... even players. Either you're dramatizing your lagging laser, or you have some lagging issues. Pretty sure a lot of people can refute that comment.

3- Going back to Point 1, it's too easy to use. It's virtually a hitscan weapon. Combined with all of the aim assist, it makes vehicles pretty much a death trap.

I do believe the Laser's primary function is anti-vehicle, so yeah, vehicles are a death trap against a laser. Of course, there are other weapons available to kill other people, and laser. Ever play rock paper scissors? Also, all weapons have a slight aim assist to offset lag; that was Bungie's decision.

I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).

Instead of the Laser, we should have something similar, but you should have to lead the shot. It would make the "Laser" a worthwhile weapon in the right hands, and wouldn't completely nerf the vehicles.

Feel free to flame, comment, or whatever it is you people do these days.


Really? You didn't have teammates to help take down the laser guy or his team, or were you in a free for all game and everyone decided to gang up on you?

Seriously man, I don't think it is very fair to over dramatize your bad experiences and try to take out a really cool weapon.

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Posted by: CommanderBrutus
To combat your argument, they (read: Bungie) should reduce the number of shots from the laser to three shots, maybe two. That way, the Spartan Laser will serve its intended purpose as an anti-vehicle weapon, not as an anti-everything weapon.

There, problem solved.
No, problem not solved. It wouldn't change the fact that the weapon lags, and is too easy to use.


I would have to disagree; reducing the number of shots from five to two will force players to use the weapon as intended; waste both shots on a couple of virtural meat bags, then you'll regret making such an idiotic decision when an enemy warthog comes passing by.
Still doesn't change the fact that it would be too easy to use. Sure, you'd have to be a bit more careful about how you use your shots, but most people go for the Warthogs anyway. I find that it's only used against infantry when all of the enemy vehicles have been destroyed anyway. By the time the enemy Warthog is back up and running, the Laser probably is too.

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2 - It lags. Bungie decided not to include the Fire Bombs in Halo 3's matchmaking. Well, i'll be damned if I ever see the Laser actually Fire and kill me.
That's you lagging, not the laser.

  • 06.18.2009 9:51 AM PDT

Posted by: Pokeh
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Posted by: CommanderBrutus
To combat your argument, they (read: Bungie) should reduce the number of shots from the laser to three shots, maybe two. That way, the Spartan Laser will serve its intended purpose as an anti-vehicle weapon, not as an anti-everything weapon.

There, problem solved.
No, problem not solved. It wouldn't change the fact that the weapon lags, and is too easy to use.


I would have to disagree; reducing the number of shots from five to two will force players to use the weapon as intended; waste both shots on a couple of virtural meat bags, then you'll regret making such an idiotic decision when an enemy warthog comes passing by.
Still doesn't change the fact that it would be too easy to use. Sure, you'd have to be a bit more careful about how you use your shots, but most people go for the Warthogs anyway. I find that it's only used against infantry when all of the enemy vehicles have been destroyed anyway. By the time the enemy Warthog is back up and running, the Laser probably is too.


Then I apologize for being retarded. Your right at 100%, and I'm wrong for everything that I've said.

You win.

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Not necessarily true, I've missed and have seen people miss with the laser. This is especially true in close quarters combat. If you don't see that person coming for you within four seconds you're a dead man.
I find that it is very, very rare for anyone to miss with the laser. Maybe if the person in question is out of practise with it, I can see them missing then, this is only in an extreme minority of situations though.

Posted by: AxS halosavior
Bungie didn't include Fire Bombs in matchmaking because the animation of fire, and a lot of it, can lag a game pretty quickly. And I'm afraid that every weapon has lag in a laggy game... even players. Either you're dramatizing your lagging laser, or you have some lagging issues. Pretty sure a lot of people can refute that comment.

This weapon does what I described even in games where there are green bars and there are no problems with hit detection. The animation on the Laser beam just lags. I just spontainiously explode half the time.

Posted by: AxS halosavior
I do believe the Laser's primary function is anti-vehicle, so yeah, vehicles are a death trap against a laser. Of course, there are other weapons available to kill other people, and laser. Ever play rock paper scissors? Also, all weapons have a slight aim assist to offset lag; that was Bungie's decision.
The Laser is an anti-everything weapon, not just an anti-vehicle weapon. It can be used to take down infantry just as easily as it can be used to take down a Warthog or a Tank.

I can tolerate it having some aim-assist, but the amount that it has is excessive. Even if they just toned down the aim-assist, i'd be (partially) happy.

Posted by: AxS halosavior
Really? You didn't have teammates to help take down the laser guy or his team, or were you in a free for all game and everyone decided to gang up on you?
It is difficult to co-ordinate an effective attack when you die the instant you spawn. Especially when the Laser guy can be on the other side/middle of the map.

All i'm saying is to make the Laser a bit more difficult to use. Make it so that it's not a hitscan weapon and tone down the aim assist. Maybe I just titled the thread title incorrectly and people didn't bother to read the thread.

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lol??? lots of people don t know how to use laser

yeah shake the sniper too like splinter cell :D

[Edited on 06.18.2009 9:56 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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I would like the Laser to stay, but my guess is that because of the timeline we won't be seeing the Laser, unless a Spartan is testing a prototype or something like that.

In my opinion a wire guided Launcher would be a good middle ground.

It would be more effective against vehicles at ranges farther than the current 6 feet, but you would need to keep your sight on the vehicle and not get killed in order to get a likely hit.

Perhaps it could work with something like just pulling the trigger and releasing it for a straight shot or if you pull it and hold it in you could guide it.

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All jokes aside, hes right.

The spartan laser is an op weapon which ruins vehicular gameplay, and just gameplay in general. Needs to be removed from the game.


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A quick solution to this is to just remove the missile pod and laser, and just add homing back to the rocket launcher, means less power weapons that a team can hold, and no instantly raping an entire team with one shot of the laser from the other side of the map.

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To summarise what I am saying:

1- Make the Laser so that it is not a hitscan weapon. Make it so that the user has to lead the shot a little bit.
2- Less aim-assist. Make it a little bit harder to aim.

That's it. It could either be a Laser, or you could re-skin it so that it's a Guass Cannon or something like someone suggested earlier. The Laser would be "removed" but replaced with a slightly harder to use equivalent.

Like I said, the Laser is awesome to use and stuff, but it kind of ruins the fun in Big Team maps.

  • 06.18.2009 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pokeh
The Spartan Laser.

The Laser in Halo 3 is an improvement over the Homing Rocket Launcher in Halo 2. However, my problems with the Spartan Laser are these:

1- It's too easy to use. My grandmother could pwn teh nubs with this thing. When you zoom in with it you get a stupid amount of aim-assist for a weapon of this power. Simply put, it's too easy to aim.

2 - It lags. Bungie decided not to include the Fire Bombs in Halo 3's matchmaking. Well, i'll be damned if I ever see the Laser actually Fire and kill me.

3- Going back to Point 1, it's too easy to use. It's virtually a hitscan weapon. Combined with all of the aim assist, it makes vehicles pretty much a death trap.

I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).

Instead of the Laser, we should have something similar, but you should have to lead the shot. It would make the "Laser" a worthwhile weapon in the right hands, and wouldn't completely nerf the vehicles.

Feel free to flame, comment, or whatever it is you people do these days.


Haha, I played a laggy game of Squad Battle and they modified the connection and switched bases with us. I was playing later on and got lasered out of the mancannon on waterfall side of Valhalla. I watched the video, the guy was standing on the big rock and lasered it. And yet still I was lasered? I saw laser splash and everything on that rock.

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  • 06.18.2009 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: mooman47
I dont know why u RETARDS cant just consider what dis guy is saying. The laser is by far the easiest power weapon to use. If u had a sniper and faced off wit a guy wit a laser ( no scopes ) honestly..... who do u think would win. in halo 3 beta, now, i cant even get in a vehicle on a heavy map without the fear of as soon as i get in, a noob will laser the crap out of me. the laser destroys EVERYTHING. it's not a horrable weapon, just too easy to use. And yes, i hope it's not in halo: reach.

GOD.



this is pretty ridiculos everyone is forgetting 1 thing that puts the laser in its place...
the recharge and time to fire..
its the slowest weapon to fire so if their was a duel between the sniper rifle oviosly the sniper would win(if you can no scope well enough)but then again you wouldent need to no scope,he wouldent be hitting you...so you could just scope and get an instant headshot...i agree the laser is undodgeble but when you do hear/see it then run in cover straight away.simple.and if theres no cover....thats your fault for going out in the open...theres nothing wrong with the laser...this is the first post ive seen against the laser...and i can see why,because theres nothing wrong with it...seriosly...its all in the circle of killing
laser kills vehicals
vehicals kill players
players kill laser...the end
im not flaming im just saying theres nothing wrong with the laser at all..

  • 06.18.2009 10:05 AM PDT

Okay, well whether or not the laser is difficult or easy to use is a subjective debate. Personally, i think it's easy to use if you're even moderately skilled at the game.

The laser is a 1 hit kill (even against vehicles), you don't have to adjust your aim at at any distance, and it has some auto-aim.

The only negatives are the laser pointer (a skilled laser user can easily hide this from the opponent), and the charging time before the shot. These 2 features are preventing this weapon from being virtually unstoppable.

After looking at the basic features of the laser, does anybody agree that something needs to be done with it?

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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Haha, I played a laggy game of Squad Battle and they modified the connection and switched bases with us. I was playing later on and got lasered out of the mancannon on waterfall side of Valhalla. I watched the video, the guy was standing on the big rock and lasered it. And yet still I was lasered? I saw laser splash and everything on that rock.


If you are posting in response to the original post there is no need to quote it and waste space.

The key words there are "modified connection". You were being cheated and hence had an extremely laggy game, that has nothing to do with any weapons.

And if your "entire team" gets "instantly raped by one laser shot" then your team fails EXTREMELY hard.

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Laser is a noob cannon, and anyone who knows how to use it at all knows how to get around all the drawbacks it has.

1.The sound it makes when aiming at someone can easily be turned off by just not aiming directly at the player until youre about to blow your load.

2. The recharge time doesnt make a -blam!- difference unless you are close quarters, and even then, if you know how to use the gun he should be -blam!- dead already.

3. As soon as you kill someone with the laser, whats the first thing you do(if you have no other decent guns), you take cover behind a -blam!- rock, and then get ready.


LASER=OVER PWERED NOOB CANNON


If were gonna keep the laser in reach, we might as well add the redeemer from Unreal.

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I dont know why u RETARDS cant just consider what dis guy is saying. The laser is by far the easiest power weapon to use. If u had a sniper and faced off wit a guy wit a laser ( no scopes ) honestly..... who do u think would win. in halo 3 beta, now, i cant even get in a vehicle on a heavy map without the fear of as soon as i get in, a noob will laser the crap out of me. the laser destroys EVERYTHING. it's not a horrable weapon, just too easy to use. And yes, i hope it's not in halo: reach.

GOD.



this is pretty ridiculos everyone is forgetting 1 thing that puts the laser in its place...
the recharge and time to fire..
its the slowest weapon to fire so if their was a duel between the sniper rifle oviosly the sniper would win(if you can no scope well enough)but then again you wouldent need to no scope,he wouldent be hitting you...so you could just scope and get an instant headshot...i agree the laser is undodgeble but when you do hear/see it then run in cover straight away.simple.and if theres no cover....thats your fault for going out in the open...theres nothing wrong with the laser...this is the first post ive seen against the laser...and i can see why,because theres nothing wrong with it...seriosly...its all in the circle of killing
laser kills vehicals
vehicals kill players
players kill laser...the end
im not flaming im just saying theres nothing wrong with the laser at all..


1- I have managed to kill Snipers with the Laser, even when their attention was focussed on me. It requires being clever with your cover and poking out at the last second, but it's possible.

2- That's part of one of my points about the Laser. The warning "beam" and sound lags. Some times I don't even hear it. I have a 20Mb/s connection so if I hear the "your connection sucks" argument again from someone, i'll just ignore you.

3- My fault for being in the open? On maps like Avalanche and Valhalla? The Laser is pretty much undodgable on those maps because the entire map is an open area.

  • 06.18.2009 10:10 AM PDT

Posted by: J MASTER XP
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its all in the circle of killing
laser kills vehicals
vehicals kill players
players kill laser...the end
im not flaming im just saying theres nothing wrong with the laser at all..


Yes... it's all in the circle of killing..

But what if there's an IMBALANCE in that circle of killing? What if vehicles were 20X better than anti-vehicles? People in vehicles would find way too much success, and the imbalance in the game would make it less fun..

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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1- I have managed to kill Snipers with the Laser, even when their attention was focussed on me. It requires being clever with your cover and poking out at the last second, but it's possible.

2- That's part of one of my points about the Laser. The warning "beam" and sound lags. Some times I don't even hear it. I have a 20Mb/s connection so if I hear the "your connection sucks" argument again from someone, i'll just ignore you.

3- My fault for being in the open? On maps like Avalanche and Valhalla? The Laser is pretty much undodgable on those maps because the entire map is an open area.


The animation and sound do not lag at all, the games you are in do. I have no problem with them whatsoever.

You didn't hear the sound because the user wasn't aiming directly at you the entire time, which is a smart thing to do.

And the entire map of Valhalla is open? HAH! That is a good one. The only open areas of Valhalla are the "fairway" down the center and the side near the Turret hill. If you can't find cover on Valhalla you are either constantly jumping out the "Cannon, Man" or just blindly rushing through the middle.

  • 06.18.2009 10:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Pokeh
1- I have managed to kill Snipers with the Laser, even when their attention was focussed on me. It requires being clever with your cover and poking out at the last second, but it's possible.


Problem 1:

Why should you even have a CHANCE to kill a sniper with an anti-vehicle weapon? Doesn't this put the laser in it's own niche? Not only can you destroy vehicles with ease, but it's possible to out-snipe.. a sniper.

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And the entire map of Valhalla is open? HAH! That is a good one. The only open areas of Valhalla are the "fairway" down the center and the side near the Turret hill. If you can't find cover on Valhalla you are either constantly jumping out the "Cannon, Man" or just blindly rushing through the middle.
If you're using a VEHICLE, lets be honest, the majority of the time, you're in open space, and quite often, it can't be helped.

Like I said, i'm not buying the whole "my connection sucks" argument because I never experience lag with other weapons. Unless I see otherwise, I don't buy it. I have a 20Mb/s connection. This game shouldn't lag.

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1- I have managed to kill Snipers with the Laser, even when their attention was focussed on me. It requires being clever with your cover and poking out at the last second, but it's possible.


Problem 1:

Why should you even have a CHANCE to kill a sniper with an anti-vehicle weapon? Doesn't this put the laser in it's own niche? Not only can you destroy vehicles with ease, but it's possible to out-snipe.. a sniper.

Cut, Print, WIN.

argument over

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