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Subject: A weapon I would like to see removed from Halo Reach

Posted by: Crusader
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But then again, then vehicles will be too overpowered without something to take them out.


Yap like in Halo CE :D only things there were grenade and...uhmmm rockets from close range and another vehicles :D
The Pistol was actually very good at taking them out, too... you could 3SK a tank... provided you shoot the driver's head through the open hatch.


True all too true :) forgot that the pistol was imba pwn in Halo CE...
Pistol in Halo 2 was imba aswell vs other players but in Halo 3 the pistol isn't that good anymore :(


What are you talking about the Halo 2 1.1 version pistol was 13 shots to kill, and there were only 12 bullets per magazine. Halo 3 pistol is way better.

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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!
Honestly, why can't I make a legitimate comment against a particular weapon without people resorting to stupid comments?

And for the love of God *headdesk* Why can't people comprehend what i'm saying?

YES, power weapons have their place in the Halo games. I'm not even debating against power weapons. Sniper Rifles, Rocket Launchers, etc, all have their place and I accept that.

HOWEVER, my PROBLEM, is with the EASE OF USE with the LASER. As i've said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, it just needs to be HARDER to use. As I have said, make it so that it is NOT a hitscan weapon, so that you have to LEAD YOUR SHOT in order to get a hit.

Can we all understand this now that i've put key words in big, capital letters?

  • 06.18.2009 11:44 AM PDT

To shoot and fire, the Laser is stupidly easy to use.

And this is a good reason to remove it? Every weapon, with the exception of the BR and Sniper, is easy to use. Rockets are easy to use, ARs are easy to use. That no reason to remove them from the game.

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To shoot and fire, the Laser is stupidly easy to use.

And this is a good reason to remove it? Every weapon, with the exception of the BR and Sniper, is easy to use. Rockets are easy to use, ARs are easy to use. That no reason to remove them from the game.
I agree

  • 06.18.2009 11:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!
Honestly, why can't I make a legitimate comment against a particular weapon without people resorting to stupid comments?

And for the love of God *headdesk* Why can't people comprehend what i'm saying?

YES, power weapons have their place in the Halo games. I'm not even debating against power weapons. Sniper Rifles, Rocket Launchers, etc, all have their place and I accept that.

HOWEVER, my PROBLEM, is with the EASE OF USE with the LASER. As i've said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, it just needs to be HARDER to use. As I have said, make it so that it is NOT a hitscan weapon, so that you have to LEAD YOUR SHOT in order to get a hit.

Can we all understand this now that i've put key words in big, capital letters?


Dude couple of words against what you want.
Speed Of Light?! and what is the Spartan LASER?! yes a LASER and what are LASERS?
LIGHT?! and how fast does LIGHT travel?! well at the speed of LIGHT! and how fast is that?!~
EXTEREMLY FAST?! so I can't be anything else then hitscan!

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Posted by: jerbearzzz
To shoot and fire, the Laser is stupidly easy to use.

And this is a good reason to remove it? Every weapon, with the exception of the BR and Sniper, is easy to use. Rockets are easy to use, ARs are easy to use. That no reason to remove them from the game.


Rockets are not hitscan weapons, and are only really effective at close-medium range, depending on the skill level of the user.

Shutgun/Mauler/Sword/Hammer are also easy to use. Sword irritates the crap out of me but all of them are easy enough to stop at medium range.

ARs (And SMGs) are also easy to use, yes, but aren't very effective beyond short-medium ranges.

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Posted by: Crusader
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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!
Honestly, why can't I make a legitimate comment against a particular weapon without people resorting to stupid comments?

And for the love of God *headdesk* Why can't people comprehend what i'm saying?

YES, power weapons have their place in the Halo games. I'm not even debating against power weapons. Sniper Rifles, Rocket Launchers, etc, all have their place and I accept that.

HOWEVER, my PROBLEM, is with the EASE OF USE with the LASER. As i've said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, it just needs to be HARDER to use. As I have said, make it so that it is NOT a hitscan weapon, so that you have to LEAD YOUR SHOT in order to get a hit.

Can we all understand this now that i've put key words in big, capital letters?


Dude couple of words against what you want.
Speed Of Light?! and what is the Spartan LASER?! yes a LASER and what are LASERS?
LIGHT?! and how fast does LIGHT travel?! well at the speed of LIGHT! and how fast is that?!~
EXTEREMLY FAST?! so I can't be anything else then hitscan!


What's THAT? Reskin as a GAUSS CANNON? Like how i've said this a MILLION TIMES?

  • 06.18.2009 11:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: duncan man
But then again, then vehicles will be too overpowered without something to take them out.


Yap like in Halo CE :D only things there were grenade and...uhmmm rockets from close range and another vehicles :D
The Pistol was actually very good at taking them out, too... you could 3SK a tank... provided you shoot the driver's head through the open hatch.


True all too true :) forgot that the pistol was imba pwn in Halo CE...
Pistol in Halo 2 was imba aswell vs other players but in Halo 3 the pistol isn't that good anymore :(


What are you talking about the Halo 2 1.1 version pistol was 13 shots to kill, and there were only 12 bullets per magazine. Halo 3 pistol is way better.


I forgot to mention that.... I always dual wielded them :)

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I'd rather see the homing rocket launcher. You could at least avoid being instantly fragged by it.

  • 06.18.2009 11:54 AM PDT
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If you want the laser to be more difficult, raise your sensitivity.

The laser is not over powered, in fact, it can't even destroy a tank in one shot unless his has some battle damage. This fact holds true with a wraith.

  • 06.18.2009 11:54 AM PDT

Posted by: Pokeh
The Spartan Laser.
I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).


Don't loose map control and this won't be a problem.

If the other team out plays you and gains control, thats your fault.

  • 06.18.2009 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
CRY MOAR!
Honestly, why can't I make a legitimate comment against a particular weapon without people resorting to stupid comments?

And for the love of God *headdesk* Why can't people comprehend what i'm saying?

YES, power weapons have their place in the Halo games. I'm not even debating against power weapons. Sniper Rifles, Rocket Launchers, etc, all have their place and I accept that.

HOWEVER, my PROBLEM, is with the EASE OF USE with the LASER. As i've said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, it just needs to be HARDER to use. As I have said, make it so that it is NOT a hitscan weapon, so that you have to LEAD YOUR SHOT in order to get a hit.

Can we all understand this now that i've put key words in big, capital letters?


Dude couple of words against what you want.
Speed Of Light?! and what is the Spartan LASER?! yes a LASER and what are LASERS?
LIGHT?! and how fast does LIGHT travel?! well at the speed of LIGHT! and how fast is that?!~
EXTEREMLY FAST?! so I can't be anything else then hitscan!


What's THAT? Reskin as a GAUSS CANNON? Like how i've said this a MILLION TIMES?


WTF is ur point then JEZUS CHRIST YOU CANNOT MAKE THE SPARTAN LASER SLOWER! HOW can you make it force you to lead when it arrives INSTANTLY?!!!
And harder to use?! how?! by making the crosshairs smaller?! will hardly matter =.=

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Posted by: Toad117
If you want the laser to be more difficult, raise your sensitivity.
Your argument is flawed in that not everyone in the game has the same sensitivity.

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Did you SERIOUSLY just suggest that? Oh dear lord, my faith in humanity is dwindling.

  • 06.18.2009 11:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Crusader
Ahh the Negatives are:
Only 5 shots
Charge time before firing

Positives:
Insta Hit(couldn't be else SPEED OF LIGHT FTW)
When properly wielded imba pwn?

seems to me equal anyways can't wait to hear you whine when it becomes harder to use :)
and about that sniper... you can easily kill a spartan laser guy with a BR :) don't need a sniper :)


Okay, well whether or not the laser is difficult or easy to use is a subjective debate. Personally, i think it's easy to use if you're even moderately skilled at the game.

The laser is a 1 hit kill (even against vehicles), you don't have to adjust your aim at at any distance, and it has some auto-aim.

The only negatives are the laser pointer (a skilled laser user can easily hide this from the opponent), the charging time before the shot. These 2 features are preventing this weapon from being virtually unstoppable.

I don't understand your argument crusador. These don't seem equal to me, at all. The fact that you can out-snipe a sniper with the laser tells me that the laser is in a weapon class of its own. No weapon should be so powerful that it can be used as an anti-vehicle and anti-personel weapon (even at long range). That just seems stupid to me. And no, i wouldn't whine if the laser was harder to use- that would satisfy me completely.

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The Spartan Laser.
I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).


Don't loose map control and this won't be a problem.

If the other team out plays you and gains control, thats your fault.
So if the other team gets map control after the first 30 seconds through luck of the first rush (which is usually the case on Valhalla, especially with AR starts), what is the point of playing the next 11 and a half minutes? The team who got map control obviously outplayed you, right?

And since there's no chance to come back with all of the insanely easy-to-use weapons in the hands of the enemies, why not end the game as soon as they pick up all of the good weapons?

H3 is too much about luck and the first 30 seconds of the game. Halo REACH shouldn't be. One way to start changing that is to remove the laser and replace it with something that requires aiming (not point-and-click) like a Gauss Rifle.

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Posted by: Crusader
WTF is ur point then JEZUS CHRIST YOU CANNOT MAKE THE SPARTAN LASER SLOWER! HOW can you make it force you to lead when it arrives INSTANTLY?!!!
And harder to use?! how?! by making the crosshairs smaller?! will hardly matter =.=
Take the Laser.

Reskin it as a Gauss Cannon.

Make the Gauss Cannon have the same power as the Laser does.

Make it so that you have to lead your shot with the Gauss Cannon.

???

Profit.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.

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Yeah i just suggested that lol.

Meh, you can't count on humanity too much huh? :P

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Posted by: Toad117
Yeah i just suggested that lol.

Meh, you can't count on humanity too much huh? :P
You made a part of me die inside. I hope you're proud of yourself. ):

[Edited on 06.18.2009 12:00 PM PDT]

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So be it :P

By the way I have a suggestion...

You can use mirrors to deflect the laser.

How about that?

  • 06.18.2009 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Crusader
WTF is ur point then JEZUS CHRIST YOU CANNOT MAKE THE SPARTAN LASER SLOWER! HOW can you make it force you to lead when it arrives INSTANTLY?!!!
And harder to use?! how?! by making the crosshairs smaller?! will hardly matter =.=
Take the Laser.

Reskin it as a Gauss Cannon.

Make the Gauss Cannon have the same power as the Laser does.

Make it so that you have to lead your shot with the Gauss Cannon.

???

Profit.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.


wtf are you doing?! making the laser a gauss cannon? might aswell call it: Teh Portable GausCannon formerly known as the Spartan Laser.
And btw as said before if you reskin it like a gauss cannon it isn't a laser anymore it is a gauss cannon then

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So be it :P

By the way I have a suggestion...

You can use mirrors to deflect the laser.

How about that?

Quick someone, get the tombstone ready.

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WTF is ur point then JEZUS CHRIST YOU CANNOT MAKE THE SPARTAN LASER SLOWER! HOW can you make it force you to lead when it arrives INSTANTLY?!!!
And harder to use?! how?! by making the crosshairs smaller?! will hardly matter =.=
Take the Laser.

Reskin it as a Gauss Cannon.

Make the Gauss Cannon have the same power as the Laser does.

Make it so that you have to lead your shot with the Gauss Cannon.

???

Profit.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.


wtf are you doing?! making the laser a gauss cannon? might aswell call it: Teh Portable GausCannon formerly known as the Spartan Laser.
And btw as said before if you reskin it like a gauss cannon it isn't a laser anymore it is a gauss cannon then


Do I honestly have to explain every little detail? I thought it was self explanatory.

Turn the Laser in to a Gauss Cannon. It's Simple. It's not hard. It's an easy concept to grasp. Instead of firing a Laser, it fires Gauss Projectiles, these projectiles are slower than a Laser, and thus, you would have to lead your shot in order to hit the enemy.

  • 06.18.2009 12:05 PM PDT

How about we get a hard to use user guided rocket launcher like in Battlefield 2 with slow turning, and minimal splash damage. The Gauss Cannon hog has always seemed a bit too powerful once you get the lead down.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 12:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 12:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Crusader
wtf are you doing?! making the laser a gauss cannon? might aswell call it: Teh Portable GausCannon formerly known as the Spartan Laser.
And btw as said before if you reskin it like a gauss cannon it isn't a laser anymore it is a gauss cannon then


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Posted by: Crusader
wtf are you doing?! making the laser a gauss cannon? might aswell call it: Teh Portable GausCannon formerly known as the Spartan Laser.
And btw as said before if you reskin it like a gauss cannon it isn't a laser anymore it is a gauss cannon then


(puts face in palm)


I feel your pain sir.

  • 06.18.2009 12:30 PM PDT