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Subject: A weapon I would like to see removed from Halo Reach

Yeah, the vehicle vs. infantry balance needs work. They can't leave peacefully, with vehicles, infantry have no chance, with anti vehicle weapons, the vehicles have no chance.

  • 06.18.2009 12:36 PM PDT

I love Mute!

Hey even noobs have to kill

(not saying it only for noobs)

  • 06.18.2009 12:39 PM PDT
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Hey even noobs have to kill

(not saying it only for noobs)
you're right, I should get to kill too :P

  • 06.18.2009 12:42 PM PDT
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You know what?

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Some people are just being... so unbelievably stupid, it's just, urgh.

I'm going to go eat some pizza.

  • 06.18.2009 12:47 PM PDT

It is my latest cultural research project! By randomly saying LOLWIN to semi-funny replies on the Halo 3 forum, I hypothesize that a temperary self-esteem boost will be present.

And once they read this, they will be a little worse off than before.

I was thinking reduce the ammo capacity, make it require a longer shot time, and provide a warning for a person in a vehicle in case of lag.

Anyway, I don't want any weapons removed, I would prefer to have a ton of weapons added... Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the whole 'Prone' thing.

  • 06.18.2009 12:56 PM PDT

I too agree. It needs to be powered down a bit. But it should still be a hit scan weapon because after all, it is traveling at the speed of light....

[Edited on 06.18.2009 12:59 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Here's a better idea, how about they bring back the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher with a few adjustments? So it's not overpowered against vehicles like the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher.

  • 06.18.2009 1:05 PM PDT

The Assault Rifle.

  • 06.18.2009 3:13 PM PDT

A mini gauss gun would be cool...

  • 06.18.2009 3:20 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Homing rockets/laser. Atleast I can dodge those things.

  • 06.18.2009 3:25 PM PDT
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I agree with OP, the Laser is too easy to use and has ruined vehicular combat.

EDIT: Shame really because it is a nice weapon to use and its certainly pleasing on the eye.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 3:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Pokeh
The Spartan Laser.

The Laser in Halo 3 is an improvement over the Homing Rocket Launcher in Halo 2. However, my problems with the Spartan Laser are these:

1- It's too easy to use. My grandmother could pwn teh nubs with this thing. When you zoom in with it you get a stupid amount of aim-assist for a weapon of this power. Simply put, it's too easy to aim.

2 - It lags. Bungie decided not to include the Fire Bombs in Halo 3's matchmaking. Well, i'll be damned if I ever see the Laser actually Fire and kill me.

3- Going back to Point 1, it's too easy to use. It's virtually a hitscan weapon. Combined with all of the aim assist, it makes vehicles pretty much a death trap.

I'm in a tricky situation on Valhalla and i'm being spawn camped? What's the best thing to do? Hog it up. But oh wait, they're camping in the middle with the Laser. Dead within 10 seconds. The Laser is also one of the reasons why Heavies maps are so unenjoyable (Along with the Gauss Hog, which has also become too easy to use, now that I think about it).

Instead of the Laser, we should have something similar, but you should have to lead the shot. It would make the "Laser" a worthwhile weapon in the right hands, and wouldn't completely nerf the vehicles.

Feel free to flame, comment, or whatever it is you people do these days.

To summarise what I am saying:

1- Make the Laser so that it is not a hitscan weapon. Make it so that the user has to lead the shot a little bit.
2- Less aim-assist. Make it a little bit harder to aim.

That's it. It could either be a Laser, or you could re-skin it so that it's a Guass Cannon or something like someone suggested earlier. The Laser would be "removed" but replaced with a slightly harder to use equivalent.

Like I said, the Laser is awesome to use and stuff, but it kind of ruins the fun in Big Team maps.


You do realize what you are asking for right? You are asking for bungie to Slow Down the speed of light. Having the laser be a hitscan weapon is actually one of the more scientifically accurate things bungie has done in the entire Halo franchise.

Despite this though, I do see the need for the laser to be toned down. Perhaps the laser should be an over time kill weapon. For example, you point the gun at somebody and it warms up. Next, the laser starts to gradually fire up to total capacity. In the mean time, you can sweep it back and forth, but it only does a little damage. After a certain point though, it reaches full capacity and a single hit will kill whatever crosses the beam. This would give you a chance to dodge out of the way or even throw down a bubble shield.

  • 06.18.2009 3:55 PM PDT

Posted by: viskocity
You do realize what you are asking for right? You are asking for bungie to Slow Down the speed of light. Having the laser be a hitscan weapon is actually one of the more scientifically accurate things bungie has done in the entire Halo franchise.

Despite this though, I do see the need for the laser to be toned down. Perhaps the laser should be an over time kill weapon. For example, you point the gun at somebody and it warms up. Next, the laser starts to gradually fire up to total capacity. In the mean time, you can sweep it back and forth, but it only does a little damage. After a certain point though, it reaches full capacity and a single hit will kill whatever crosses the beam. This would give you a chance to dodge out of the way or even throw down a bubble shield.


I don't think the trouble is understanding that a laser (which is light) travels at the speed of light haha. People keep saying that as if we're having trouble understanding how a laser works.

The problem is the weapon. It sucks, and something needs to be done about it. Your idea is interesting but it sounds so different from the halo repertoire that i couldn't see bungie making something like that.

Maybe the laser can be replaced with a "beam" of some sort.. or something that takes more time to travel, forcing the player to actually use skill.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 11:19 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 11:18 PM PDT

@OP Lead the laser? The is already the case with the laser because you have to wait 2,5 seconds before it takes off. Besides, it's a light, light travels fast.

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  • 06.18.2009 11:21 PM PDT
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Can people at least read the thread before saying "The Laser travels at the speed of light"? I've said it a million times. Maybe I should just put it in to the OP.

Gauss Cannon.

  • 06.19.2009 12:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
. . . so it would require some skill, rather than just point and click. [/quote]


Maybe I'm not a 'l33t n00b pwnr ha><0r' like many of you, but (and correct me if I'm wrong), don't you "point and [shoot]" when you fire all of the weapons?

Oh wait, that's right, with the 'skill' weapons you point a little ahead and then shoot. Difficult stuff.

[Edited on 06.19.2009 1:08 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 1:02 AM PDT

well.. the spartan laser was around in Halo Reach, and so was the BR, but they were protypes so there weren't to many. so maybe in the campaign you only get it a bit and in multiplayer, maybe on only 1 or 2 maps but make it that the respawn time is alot longer.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
. . . so it would require some skill, rather than just point and click. [/quote]


Maybe I'm not a 'l33t n00b pwnr ha><0r' like many of you, but (and correct me if I'm wrong), don't you "point and [shoot]" when you fire all of the weapons?

Oh wait, that's right, with the 'skill' weapons you point a little ahead and then shoot. Difficult stuff.


What are you on about? I'm not claiming to be the best person at Halo. I can tell you that I most certainly am not, quite far from that, actually.

The point i'm making is that you should have to lead your shot. It would make the weapon more difficult to use as the person using the weapon would have to predict where the vehicle he is aiming at will be by the time the (in this case) Gauss Shot hits the target. Reduce the amount of aim-assist as well.

As it stands, the Laser makes vehicles on most maps pretty much worthless. Look at Sandtrap, for example. At the beginning of the game there are four Warthogs, after the first 30 seconds of the game, there are quite often none.

The Laser was a step in the right direction from the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher, but it's still not ideal. It spoils the fun of Big Team games.

  • 06.19.2009 4:23 AM PDT

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u know what, its too late! the game is finished, and the laser is here to stay! muahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

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  • 06.19.2009 5:00 AM PDT
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Hmmm. A thought.... If reach occurs before Halo CE and the Spartan Laser was not invented until Halo 3 then what does that say about if the Spartan Laser will be in Halo Reach?

  • 06.19.2009 5:00 AM PDT

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dude, its a LASER, leading your shots shouldn't happen at all, because its a LASER. there isn't much aim assist, but if the ENTIRE SHOT merely grazes you, it will kill you, because its a LASER! your only chance is to not take the entire dose of death from the laser. if the aim assist was as bad as you say, i would not have had as many near death experiences with the laser, and neither would those that i half-lasered.

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SpLaser was in halo wars, so technically it did exist.

  • 06.19.2009 5:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: viskocity
You do realize what you are asking for right? You are asking for bungie to Slow Down the speed of light. Having the laser be a hitscan weapon is actually one of the more scientifically accurate things bungie has done in the entire Halo franchise.

Despite this though, I do see the need for the laser to be toned down. Perhaps the laser should be an over time kill weapon. For example, you point the gun at somebody and it warms up. Next, the laser starts to gradually fire up to total capacity. In the mean time, you can sweep it back and forth, but it only does a little damage. After a certain point though, it reaches full capacity and a single hit will kill whatever crosses the beam. This would give you a chance to dodge out of the way or even throw down a bubble shield.


I don't think the trouble is understanding that a laser (which is light) travels at the speed of light haha. People keep saying that as if we're having trouble understanding how a laser works.

The problem is the weapon. It sucks, and something needs to be done about it. Your idea is interesting but it sounds so different from the halo repertoire that i couldn't see bungie making something like that.

Maybe the laser can be replaced with a "beam" of some sort.. or something that takes more time to travel, forcing the player to actually use skill.

not criticizing you or anything, but doesnt standing in the open for five seconds with a red light next to your face require a little bit of skill, cuz even if you are concealed, anyone can see the laser sight or the glowing red blob (unless you are behind a wall or something looking at the floor). the problem is that most people dont have a guy on laser watch. if someone decided to dedicate themself to keeping tabs on the laser, whether it is friendly or enemy controlled, things would be made easier. helps if he has a sniper, since the laser is a big sniper target.

  • 06.19.2009 5:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I too agree. It needs to be powered down a bit. But it should still be a hit scan weapon because after all, it is traveling at the speed of light....

the laser isnt actually hitscan

when the BR debate made its way into the weekly update (dark days for all of us), bungie talked about hitscan weapons, and said that even the laser isn't hitscan. the distance it travels in each frame is really big tho, so you likely will never have to lead your shots with it.

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Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
u know what, its too late! the game is finished, and the laser is here to stay! muahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Uh, Halo Reach is probably pretty far away from going Gold. I have no idea what you're on about there.

dude, its a LASER, leading your shots shouldn't happen at all, because its a LASER.Try reading the thread. Did you even read the quote box at the bottom of the op?

Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
the problem is that most people dont have a guy on laser watch. if someone decided to dedicate themself to keeping tabs on the laser, whether it is friendly or enemy controlled, things would be made easier. helps if he has a sniper, since the laser is a big sniper target.
Standoff does not have a Sniper Rifle. Sandtrap only has one, and even then, one of the teams has an advantage when it comes to grabbing that thing. People who spawn on the Albatros side of the map can make a beeline for it. Those who spawn on the Phantom side need to walk around near Shotgun spawn to grab it, or they need to waste a grenade to knock it down.

On Avalanche there are two Sniper Rifles, both outside of the base. If someone is spawn camping you with the Laser, you'll be annihilated before you can even get near the Sniper. Remember how the Laser is also an extremely effective anti-personnel weapon?

Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
the laser isnt actually hitscan

when the BR debate made its way into the weekly update (dark days for all of us), bungie talked about hitscan weapons, and said that even the laser isn't hitscan. the distance it travels in each frame is really big tho, so you likely will never have to lead your shots with it.
What's with all the "dramatic cat" videos?

The Laser travels so quickly that it might as well be a hitscan weapon. I don't think i've ever had to lead my shots with it.

  • 06.19.2009 6:17 AM PDT