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Subject: A weapon I would like to see removed from Halo Reach

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Posted by: Pokeh
Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
u know what, its too late! the game is finished, and the laser is here to stay! muahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Uh, Halo Reach is probably pretty far away from going Gold. I have no idea what you're on about there.

dude, its a LASER, leading your shots shouldn't happen at all, because its a LASER.Try reading the thread. Did you even read the quote box at the bottom of the op?

Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
the problem is that most people dont have a guy on laser watch. if someone decided to dedicate themself to keeping tabs on the laser, whether it is friendly or enemy controlled, things would be made easier. helps if he has a sniper, since the laser is a big sniper target.
Standoff does not have a Sniper Rifle. Sandtrap only has one, and even then, one of the teams has an advantage when it comes to grabbing that thing. People who spawn on the Albatros side of the map can make a beeline for it. Those who spawn on the Phantom side need to walk around near Shotgun spawn to grab it, or they need to waste a grenade to knock it down.

On Avalanche there are two Sniper Rifles, both outside of the base. If someone is spawn camping you with the Laser, you'll be annihilated before you can even get near the Sniper. Remember how the Laser is also an extremely effective anti-personnel weapon?

Posted by: GOLD SKYCAP
the laser isnt actually hitscan

when the BR debate made its way into the weekly update (dark days for all of us), bungie talked about hitscan weapons, and said that even the laser isn't hitscan. the distance it travels in each frame is really big tho, so you likely will never have to lead your shots with it.
What's with all the "dramatic cat" videos?

The Laser travels so quickly that it might as well be a hitscan weapon. I don't think i've ever had to lead my shots with it.

idk, i was surfin youtube earlier and i thought it was pretty funny.

anyways, i must apologize, i was thinking about ODST when i said the thing about it being finished. even so, the laser is effective and fills its niche in the gameplay well. the likelihood of it seeing any major changes is very slim. it is not as effective in closer quarters againts people who are aware and know what they are doing, because of the time delay to charge it. it is essentially a sniper for vehicles. the BR is an excellent counter because it is serving one of its purposes as a anti-sniper weapon. double teaming or even going solo a laser guy with BRs is the best tactic because he is unable to respond fast enough because he either has to swap weapons or wait four seconds to charge the laser, and then he might miss. catch him when he's alone and you should have him. if he has backup, focus on him, and then grab the laser and bail out.

on standoff, the laser does dominate, but again, only at a distance. warthogs are easy enough to deal with if you can avoid getting spawn killed long enough, which is easier said than done i know, but it can still be done. after dispatching the opposing warthog, try to flank the laser guy. he will likely be hoping for you to get into your warthog, watching in that general direction instead of covering the entire map. this is easier if you have camo, so grab it (theirs preferably, since it will cloak you for the important part) and surprise him.

there are always ways to counter the laser. if you cant beat them off, then they are probably just better than you, at least on that map. not being an ass saying that, but you have to admit when you are outmatched sometimes.



[Edited on 06.19.2009 8:04 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 7:43 AM PDT

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You've just about hit the nail on the head. I dont mind it in games of smaller team numbers, because a coordinated team can usually contest for map control for the greater weapons. But just like in halo 2, vehicles are a lot of the time a death trap, and i really love my battles with infantry and vehicle coordination. Espeically heavy maps, the lazer is perhaps even worse than the halo 2 lock-on rocket because it is stronger, has more shots, and depending on the weilder's skill ( and like you said its a preety simple weapon) much harder to evade. when the laser is around, vehicle joy is destroyed as it destroys almost all vehicles in one shot.
I like that idea about the gauss rifle also, it could work if done right. Oh, and despite all my above arguing, I must say for all its bad points i dont think i could live without the laser. I have fond memories of people using it in my vehicles, and it truley is the coolest weapon. I mean, whats better than i giant friken lazer of death? AND ITS RED!!!!

  • 06.19.2009 10:15 AM PDT

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  • 06.19.2009 10:24 AM PDT

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  • 06.19.2009 10:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pokeh
Posted by: disgruntledfan2
Or they can just make the current laser harder to use with a bigger lead like the sniper, and make it where they have to hit specific points on a vehicle like the engine or gas tank?


Both are good ideas, but I still prefer the Gauss Cannon idea from earlier. Hitting a specific spot could be problematic, on second thoughts.



gauss shot?!...

is that a joke?
well for starters the gauss isnt even "good"at destroying most commen vehicals(example:hog=2 shots,scorpian=so amny that i dont even no...,lets not evne start about the wraith...)and the recharge rait for such a wepaon would be pointless and would just ruin the weapon and would create "a waste of space" (lets not forget limited ammo...)
and even if it didnt have a recharge rate...it would be the opposit of completely poo wepaon...a completely overpowered weapon it would just conquer the battle field even more than the pervios laser....either way the gauss is a terrible idea and i cant belive their are people out their who would think of this idea without even thinking about it...

  • 06.19.2009 10:33 AM PDT

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I'd be in favor of less magnetism and aim-assistance with the laser, but not its complete removal. It's a pretty cool weapon, in concept and in practice. But I agree that it's a little too easy to use.

But the "ease of use" argument can be applied to pretty much anything in Halo 3... Snipers, anyone? At least ease of use is more difficult for Halo 3 than things were in Halo 2...

As far as lag goes, all I can say is "uhhh, what?" I've never had much of a problem with the laser and lag. It fraks up once in a while, as does everything else, but if you have a fairly standard connection (at least in the US) and you're not downloading pr0n at the same time, your problem shouldn't be THAT bad...

I think an interesting thing to do to the laser is take away the zoom... you don't really need it to take out vehicles (which is what it's supposed to be used for), so the zoom only encourages anti-infantry apart from the longer-distance of aim-assist when zoomed-in. Take out the zoom and give the aim-assist a minimum range (so it only works for longer distances, without the zoom), and I think the laser would be a bit less "too powerful" a weapon.

If you replace it entirely, I'd like to see a personal missile launcher come into play as a replacement. Something that fires massive, takes-em-out-in-one-shot homing missiles. It would have a long respawn time, obviously, and only one or two missiles, and ridiculously difficult to use against infantry. Either that, or as someone else said, some sort of portable gauss rifle.

[Edited on 06.19.2009 10:41 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 10:41 AM PDT

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in all reality the laser should not even show up in reach. simply because it did not come alont untill halo 3 just like we technically see flood are the battile rifle. Although the flod was in halo wars and the should not have been but cant blame bungie cuz they did not make the game and also the laser was the final upgrade for the spartan in wars so who knows what we will see i guess we just gotta wait

  • 06.19.2009 10:41 AM PDT

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i want to see no weapons removed because all the weapons equal out the battle

  • 06.19.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pokeh
1- It's too easy to use. My grandmother could pwn teh nubs with this thing. When you zoom in with it you get a stupid amount of aim-assist for a weapon of this power. Simply put, it's too easy to aim.

Hmm. I tend to hear a lot of people complaining about how it's difficult to use and ask me how I'm able to use it. That's in matchmaking anyways. I guess virtually speaking it is a very easy weapon to use, but in gameplay it's more difficult than it sounds.

  • 06.19.2009 10:56 AM PDT

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Agree with everything the OP said.I am surprised that there are people not wanting to admit that the laser is easier than it should be if you think about what it is capable off.Anyone can get a kill (more than one)without even trying.


I don't really care with what they replace it or if they don't.
I just want gameplay (vehicular gameplay) to be like halo:combat evolved.Which means that you don't have to exit your vehicle simply because you noticed the rockets are missing... *


Now i can see that rockets aren't enough to take out targets like banshees.But that is no reason for all the other vehicles to have to face things like the spartan laser.

Just make the rockets able to lock on air targets only.


*This is the way it is in halo 3.If someone has the laser and you enter a vehicle you know you are dead when he sees you.This is of course something ridiculous.

Unless nowadays a good driver is the one that is better at predicting who has the laser and not one that has the better reflexes and takes the best decisions based on the map , the players and the situation..

[Edited on 06.19.2009 11:55 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 11:51 AM PDT

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I whant the BR removed.....not that im not good with it but im definatly not MLG pro with it i just dont like it

  • 06.19.2009 11:59 AM PDT

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Hmm.. It appeared in Halo 3 but it was also in Halo Wars which took place before Reach.. Guess well have to wait and see.

  • 06.19.2009 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: FiendishHollow
it wont be in reach because it was only recently developed around halo 3's time, reach is before halo 3 so logically it wont be there
The Spartan Laser is in Halo Wars and that is set before Halo: Reach so... no.

But i would like it removed, the Rocket Launcher in Halo 2 could be avoided with good driving skills, but the Spartan Laser fires at the speed of light, so the only hope you have is if you see the laser charging or the guy holding it is a crappy shot.

  • 06.19.2009 12:30 PM PDT

There's a big red line that says "Oh no! Someone is aiming at you," just move out of the way...

  • 06.19.2009 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nozel1138
There's a big red line that says "Oh no! Someone is aiming at you," just move out of the way...
I think you're forgetting that the person aiming can just move the thumbstick.

  • 06.19.2009 12:47 PM PDT

You just move the other way

  • 06.19.2009 12:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nozel1138
There's a big red line that says "Oh no! Someone is aiming at you," just move out of the way...


That's a really weak attempt to defend the laser right there.

1.You don't even have to be good (if some1 can be called good with the laser) to be able to hide the "red line" until you take the shot.

2.Its not like if you notice the line something will change..

  • 06.19.2009 12:52 PM PDT
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Lower the laser radius and get rid of any autoaim making it hard to hit anything with.

  • 06.19.2009 12:54 PM PDT

Posted by: SuperCrack
That's a really weak attempt to defend the laser right there.

I'm not defending the laser, I'm giving credit to the drivers

  • 06.19.2009 12:56 PM PDT

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The fact it is a hitscan weapon makes it a little too powerful weapon in the game against vehicles. However I really don't have a problem with it being in the game.

  • 06.19.2009 12:58 PM PDT

It's kind of like a sniper rifle, but against vehicles

  • 06.19.2009 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nozel1138
Posted by: SuperCrack
That's a really weak attempt to defend the laser right there.

I'm not defending the laser, I'm giving credit to the drivers


Well i don't think too many drivers are going to thank you for telling them to "go the other way" when they see the laser.

EDIT:Yeah it is like a sniper rifle only it does AoE damage, kills in one shot whether it is in the head or not and it of course destroys vehicles.

PS:Now i would really like to hear what people that find the sniper rifle easy to use have to say about this...

[Edited on 06.19.2009 1:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 1:02 PM PDT

Of course they won't, they already know to

[Edited on 06.19.2009 1:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 1:04 PM PDT

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Wed don't even know what weapon are going to be included in that game yet.

  • 06.19.2009 1:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nozel1138
Of course they won't, they already know to


Since they already know , what was the point of your post?

Edit:To they guy above:You are right , we don't even know if vehicles are even going to be in this.
But because i certainly hope they are going to be in and because this is what the thread is about i suggest we continue this argument/discussion.

[Edited on 06.19.2009 1:09 PM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 1:07 PM PDT