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Subject: About the $60 price... (not a rant)

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starting today, i want us all to do this unless you see a reason not to.

i want everyone to every day put a dollar in a jar, just $1. and i gurantee that by 9/22/09 you will have $60. just go somewhere and exchange it for 3 20s, 60 10s, whatever on the day it comes out or before.

so instead of making flame threads threating to eat the children of bungie employees that cant controll the price, just do this. thank you for your time

[Edited on 06.18.2009 6:52 AM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 6:48 AM PDT
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You dont get it do you?
You are the person that dishes out the cash as soon as 3 maps come out for $10 dollars, and sure $10 is not much, but since you ve been so willingly paying for content that should be free (or close to it) a $60 price on an expansion sounds plausible enough.
This ofcourse goes for other games such as gears , cod, and the list goes on. The trend that we've started by allowing companies to overcharge for content that should've been included with their title has come back to bite us in the ass. And oh, it hurts so bad.

Don't be so quick to blindly defend a company that won't allow its users to play Team Slayer, Double Team, etc without first dishing out the cash to buy all of their prior map packs. That my friend is robbery.

Think about it.

My 2 cents

  • 06.18.2009 7:01 AM PDT
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LOL Good idea. You'll end up with 95 bucks. That'd stop the complaining.

  • 06.18.2009 7:02 AM PDT

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My 2 cents...Bungie did not make anyone buy the map packs for $10 that was a decision made all on that persons own account. I have all the map packs, some i bought some i got free, like mythic map pack for buying halo wars LE. So with all this whining over buying the maps..that was your own fault...

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Posted by: rollingspartan
My 2 cents...Bungie did not make anyone buy the map packs for $10 that was a decision made all on that persons own account. I have all the map packs, some i bought some i got free, like mythic map pack for buying halo wars LE. So with all this whining over buying the maps..that was your own fault...


You are not allowed to play Team Slay, Double Team, etc without BUYING the new maps, which I havent. Cant you read?? Will you blindly defend them?? Dont you see wtf they re doing?

  • 06.18.2009 7:06 AM PDT

Break the rules,
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im talking to the guys that are all whining and crying about it being $60, i just want the forum posts and comments that are 5000 words saying how much it sucks even though what they say aint going to change anything, im not ranting about anything! your all explainin to me why its $60 and treatin me like i did something wrong. did you flamers even read the post?

  • 06.18.2009 12:57 PM PDT

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You know what's funny, if you look at most of the people who complain about the price they are usually have new account, strange.

  • 06.18.2009 1:02 PM PDT

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sounds good to me. Except I am planning on pre-ordering it the moment I receive my first paycheck.

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60$ Isn't that much. Its not about it being much. Its about it being overpriced. Why the hell is an expansion that has a 4-6 hour campaign (which is drastically shortened when played in co-op. A 3 hour game perhaps) being priced as a full game? Yes it IS a full game, for those that haven't bought halo 3. Hell, its more than a full game, its a game overflowing with win. But to all those that already bought Halo 3 and perhaps even a map pack or two, it's a rip off. Why would I pay for something twice?

The only thing ODST has that I don't have is: Campaign, Firefight. That's it. That does not account for anything. I have all the maps. I have Halo 3. I'm not whining, but please tell me why (for me) it is being charged as 60+ dollars? Why? And don't go on saying "DON"T BAI IT IF U DUN WUNT IT!!!!" because that's a -blam!- excuse. I do want it. So do all those millions of people that are on the same situation as me. Like I said, its not about it being 60$. Its about it being overpriced. If we let them price it at whatever the -blam!- they want, they're just going to keep charging whatver the -blam!- they want.

I want the game as badly as everyone, but 60$ is just too much for a game which is 60% part of a game I ALREADY HAVE.

We have to stand up to this. We all want the game.

And to all those in denial. Think of it in this way. You want the game right? I want the game too. The difference between us is that I won't dish out 60 bucks for it. You will though, right? Well if you help me (and all those that are in my situation) out by speaking against this overpricing, they might lower the price, which means that you could save money in the process..

Its a win-win situation, you can't lose..

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  • 06.18.2009 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: The_omen
60$ Isn't that much. Its not about it being much. Its about it being overpriced. Why the hell is an expansion that has a 4-6 hour campaign (which is drastically shortened when played in co-op. A 3 hour game perhaps) being priced as a full game? Yes it IS a full game, for those that haven't bought halo 3. Hell, its more than a full game, its a game overflowing with win. But to all those that already bought Halo 3 and perhaps even a map pack or two, it's a rip off. Why would I pay for something twice?

The only thing ODST has that I don't have is: Campaign, Firefight. That's it. That does not account for anything. I have all the maps. I have Halo 3. I'm not whining, but please tell me why (for me) it is being charged as 60+ dollars? Why? And don't go on saying "DON"T BAI IT IF U DUN WUNT IT!!!!" because that's a -blam!- excuse. I do want it. So do all those millions of people that are on the same situation as me. Like I said, its not about it being 60$. Its about it being overpriced. If we let them price it at whatever the -blam!- they want, they're just going to keep charging whatver the -blam!- they want.

I want the game as badly as everyone, but 60$ is just too much for a game which is 60% part of a game I ALREADY HAVE.

We have to stand up to this. We all want the game.

And to all those in denial. Think of it in this way. You want the game right? I want the game too. The difference between us is that I won't dish out 60 bucks for it. You will though, right? Well if you help me (and all those that are in my situation) out by speaking against this overpricing, they might lower the price, which means that you could save money in the process..

Its a win-win situation, you can't lose..


No. You, good sir, are a moron. Bungie ORIGINALLY stated Halo 3: ODST will be charged for around $35 dollars. However, they also stated that they were unsure because MICROSOFT decides the price.

The $35 ODST would've only had a 4-6 campaign expansion. NOW, it has Firefight, ALL 24 Multiplayer Maps, The Halo: Reach Multiplayer beta, and an extended Campaign rivaling the size of Halo 3's.

So, when Microsoft found out, they raised the price. Bungie has no control over the prices of their content and titles, so either get used to it, or there's a chance we may not have another great addition to the Halo Franchise in the future.

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No. You, good sir, are a moron. Bungie ORIGINALLY stated Halo 3: ODST will be charged for around $35 dollars. However, they also stated that they were unsure because MICROSOFT decides the price.

The $35 ODST would've only had a 4-6 campaign expansion. NOW, it has Firefight, ALL 24 Multiplayer Maps, The Halo: Reach Multiplayer beta, and an extended Campaign rivaling the size of Halo 3's.

So, when Microsoft found out, they raised the price. Bungie has no control over the prices of their content and titles, so either get used to it, or there's a chance we may not have another great addition to the Halo Franchise in the future.


I'm stupid? You didn't even read my post did you..

Here I'll post the part you missed in bold, hopefully you'll see it this time..

The only thing ODST has that I don't have is: Campaign, Firefight. That's it. That does not account for anything. I have all the maps. I have Halo 3. I'm not whining, but please tell me why (for me) it is being charged as 60+ dollars? Why? And don't go on saying "DON"T BAI IT IF U DUN WUNT IT!!!!" because that's a -blam!- excuse. I do want it. So do all those millions of people that are on the same situation as me. Like I said, its not about it being 60$. Its about it being overpriced. If we let them price it at whatever the -blam!- they want, they're just going to keep charging whatver the -blam!- they want.

Bungie has no control over the prices of their content and titles

Who said they did? I would go to MS and tell them there, but I am here to get people to understand that they are being used! They're using this:

so either get used to it, or there's a chance we may not have another great addition to the Halo Franchise in the future.

They're using exactly what you said against you. Imagine if all the internet companies said: pay us 1000 dollars for internet or there won't be any more. Since the internet is irreplaceable, many people (like you) would just hand over the money.. No! That's not what you should be doing. you should stand against it! Like I said in my last post. Even IF you stand against it, there's nothing YOU can lose! You can only win! If we stand against it they might lower the price, which is good for everyone that is buying the game. If they don't, then I lose you don't. So what the point of not standing against it? Maybe its because you're still young and depend on others to pay your things. I'm not saying its to much (like I already said), but why pay for something twice? Why pay for something that is clearly not worth what its being priced?

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Posted by: rollingspartan
My 2 cents...Bungie did not make anyone buy the map packs for $10 that was a decision made all on that persons own account. I have all the map packs, some i bought some i got free, like mythic map pack for buying halo wars LE. So with all this whining over buying the maps..that was your own fault...


You are not allowed to play Team Slay, Double Team, etc without BUYING the new maps, which I havent. Cant you read?? Will you blindly defend them?? Dont you see wtf they re doing?


Take a moment to think about this from the perspective of a business. Yes, I said it. Bungie is also a business. As a business, would you want to reward your most loyal customers for consistently purchasing your content by actually letting them use it in the playlists that it was designed to be in, or would you want to shortchange them by not letting them get adequate play for the maps they paid for. According to you, the maps are overpriced. So someone who does pay for them should be able to use them as much as possible, even if it takes priority over the other, less valuable (from a business standpoint) customers.

My nickel.

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Posted by: tiger7
Posted by: xX The Prodigy
Posted by: rollingspartan
My 2 cents...Bungie did not make anyone buy the map packs for $10 that was a decision made all on that persons own account. I have all the map packs, some i bought some i got free, like mythic map pack for buying halo wars LE. So with all this whining over buying the maps..that was your own fault...


You are not allowed to play Team Slay, Double Team, etc without BUYING the new maps, which I havent. Cant you read?? Will you blindly defend them?? Dont you see wtf they re doing?


Take a moment to think about this from the perspective of a business. Yes, I said it. Bungie is also a business. As a business, would you want to reward your most loyal customers for consistently purchasing your content by actually letting them use it in the playlists that it was designed to be in, or would you want to shortchange them by not letting them get adequate play for the maps they paid for. According to you, the maps are overpriced. So someone who does pay for them should be able to use them as much as possible, even if it takes priority over the other, less valuable (from a business standpoint) customers.

My nickel.


Exactly! There goes the "They're a business so they charge high" argument. There is no reason for them to charge high. In the contrary, their fans (who already bought three games. Maybe even four) already have all the content available in ODST. They shouldn't even release it with the multiplayer at all. That's just stupid. Specially since the Halo3 Population is over 4 million. Those four million people will pay for something they already paid for. MS/bungie should be doing this "expansion" as a sort of gift (not a free gift of course), I mean why would they even do this? Halo:Reach is their newest "full" game, but since its a year from now, they decided to work on something small to please the fans while Halo:reach comes out. This shouldn't be priced as a full game. Period.

Please Microsoft, I know you have been known to be moneyhungry beasts, And you know why? Because of things like this. If you would at least just take away Halo 3 Multiplayer (which is easy since its in another disc) you could decrease the price to please your 8-year-halo-fans. This would change the whole view on your Company. It would be Micro>3soft instead of Micro$oft.


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  • 06.18.2009 1:51 PM PDT

Just remember that no matter how terrible you feel, or how much you want to let go, there are people who care about you and love you.

I have $515 exaclty in my wallet and nothing to spend it on......In my case not a good idea......in others case, this is a good idea

  • 06.18.2009 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: tiger7
Take a moment to think about this from the perspective of a business. Yes, I said it. Bungie is also a business. As a business, would you want to reward your most loyal customers for consistently purchasing your content by actually letting them use it in the playlists that it was designed to be in, or would you want to shortchange them by not letting them get adequate play for the maps they paid for. According to you, the maps are overpriced. So someone who does pay for them should be able to use them as much as possible, even if it takes priority over the other, less valuable (from a business standpoint) customers.

My nickel.


Exactly! There goes the "They're a business so they charge high" argument. There is no reason for them to charge high. In the contrary, their fans (who already bought three games. Maybe even four) already have all the content available in ODST. They shouldn't even release it with the multiplayer at all. That's just stupid. Specially since the Halo3 Population is over 4 million. Those four million people will pay for something they already paid for. MS/bungie should be doing this "expansion" as a sort of gift (not a free gift of course), I mean why would they even do this? Halo:Reach is their newest "full" game, but since its a year from now, they decided to work on something small to please the fans while Halo:reach comes out. This shouldn't be priced as a full game. Period.

Please Microsoft, I know you have been known to be moneyhungry beasts, And you know why? Because of things like this. If you would at least just take away Halo 3 Multiplayer (which is easy since its in another disc) you could decrease the price to please your 8-year-halo-fans. This would change the whole view on your Company. It would be Micro>3soft instead of Micro$oft.


There's two reasons they're releasing it with multiplayer. The first is money. You and I both understand Microsoft, so I obviously don't have to explain how their pocketbook benefits from having a low price way to add a bullet point to the back of the box.

The second is that Bungie, for what ever reason, didn't like the idea of ODST multiplayer. Having a Halo game ship without some sort of multiplayer in the box would seem rather unusual. It also allows people without hard drives or live to get all of the maps.

As for whether or not it should be priced as a full game is in the eye of the consumer. You look at it as an expansion, with no new multiplayer that is only a hold over until Halo: Reach. I choose to see it instead as a full featured game, with a new campaign and survival mode. That's in addition to being able to clear some space off of my hard drive for those map packs. That's going to drive how we decide as consumers.

And being money hungry beasts has lead them into also being known as one of the worlds richest corporations. They have an extensive understanding of the free market system, and as nice as it would be for them to do what you suggest, they most certainly won't.

I believe it was in January of 08 that they said it was 8.1 million copies sold. Let's say that we take ODST at a hypothetical $40 price point, because even in this crazy situation in which Microsoft is particularly generous, it wouldn't be lower than that.

So if every single one of those, we'll call it 8 million people bought ODST at the $40 price point, it turns out like this.

8,000,000 x 40 = $320,000,000

Obviously, if they sell it for $60, not as many people will buy it. But plenty still will. It becomes a question of how many copies do they have to sell at $60 before they turn a profit compared to the $40 price point.

Let's say only 6 million buy ODST at the $60 price point.

6,000,000 x 60 = $360,000,000

Over 1/4 of the people who bought Halo 3 could decide not to buy ODST because of the price point, and Microsoft still turns a profit by charging more. That won't happen. On this forum, or through other parts of the internet maybe. But on a whole, I'm sure it won't struggle to sell at least 7 million.

The key is for them to find the sweet point at which they maximize profits by matching quantity supplied with quantity demanded. I'm sure it's higher than $60, but breaking convention is dangerous, even for Microsoft. Overall, Microsoft is looking to find out how many people value ODST more than $60. That's a basic idea of the free market. Ain't it a -blam!-?

It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just that it doesn't make sense from a logical or economical standpoint, and it just won't happen.

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Are you high? I dont have a dollar.

  • 06.18.2009 7:42 PM PDT

Stuffz....

this man speaks the truth

  • 06.18.2009 7:44 PM PDT

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You lose: You're a bk, bad, etc.
You win: You're a tryhard, cheater.

Posted by: The_omen
Exactly! There goes the "They're a business so they charge high" argument. There is no reason for them to charge high. In the contrary, their fans (who already bought three games. Maybe even four) already have all the content available in ODST. They shouldn't even release it with the multiplayer at all. That's just stupid. Specially since the Halo3 Population is over 4 million. Those four million people will pay for something they already paid for.

If you would at least just take away Halo 3 Multiplayer (which is easy since its in another disc) you could decrease the price to please your 8-year-halo-fans.


So many things wrong. Where to begin?

Well, maybe with the fact that the stupid multiplayer disc has 3 new maps & all 24 maps are now on the disc itself. Much shorter load times. With 4 million players, the decreased load time will certainly make a difference.

If you have enough money & time to play the game for 8 years AND come onto the forums & post these long threads then you could have easily made $60 in the elapsed time.

Also, this sounds like a plea to Microsoft on a Bungie forum. This thread is not going to change MS minds. Give it up. ODST 9/22 $60 YEAH!

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Posted by: The_omen
Exactly! There goes the "They're a business so they charge high" argument. There is no reason for them to charge high. In the contrary, their fans (who already bought three games. Maybe even four) already have all the content available in ODST. They shouldn't even release it with the multiplayer at all. That's just stupid. Specially since the Halo3 Population is over 4 million. Those four million people will pay for something they already paid for.

If you would at least just take away Halo 3 Multiplayer (which is easy since its in another disc) you could decrease the price to please your 8-year-halo-fans.


So many things wrong. Where to begin?

Well, maybe with the fact that the stupid multiplayer disc has 3 new maps & all 24 maps are now on the disc itself. Much shorter load times. With 4 million players, the decreased load time will certainly make a difference.

If you have enough money & time to play the game for 8 years AND come onto the forums & post these long threads then you could have easily made $60 in the elapsed time.

Also, this sounds like a plea to Microsoft on a Bungie forum. This thread is not going to change MS minds. Give it up. ODST 9/22 $60 YEAH!


So many things wrong. Where to begin?

I already have all the maps and stupid multiplayer. Oh so now you're also justifying the price with load times? Yea? Well how much is that now.

Load times= 25 bucks

And don't get me wrong, this is not a plea to anyone except YOU. Yes, YOU and everyone else who thinks that 60$ for a 4-6 hour game and one new gametype is worth it.

  • 06.19.2009 5:12 PM PDT