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Posted by: Pogra
Okay, i always see threads on this forum about "OMG ODST Is SOOOOO much Moneh!!!!1", i think $60 is a reasonable price, just hear me out.

This is how the price matches up:

Open world campaign and Firefight:$40

3 New Halo 3 Map: $10

Halo:Reach Beta: $10

See, you would normally pay $10 in Microsoft points for the 3 new maps. Plus, there are a bunch of other cool features in ODST such as the Theater. And, i think if you can afford an Xbox 360, a computer to go to these forums, and Halo 3, you should be able to purchase ODST.
Why are we paying for an invitation?

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Invitation-
a request (spoken or written) to participate or be present or take part in something; "an invitation to lunch"; "she threw the invitation away"

That's what invitation means..Not "PAY TO GET INVITED"

  • 06.18.2009 12:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Pogra
Open world campaign and Firefight:$40


So you're calling it around 10$ for firefight, so going by your logic Halo 3 should cost over 100$ because we have flag, slayer, oddball, king of the hill, land grab, infectected and thousands of combinations.

No.

Firefight is just another game type. Near or not I don't care, but saying it deserves 10$ in it's own right for instance is a bit silly.

I think saying we don't have to pay full price then charging us full price is somewhat cheeky - tell us the true price or don't say anything about it. We know the campaign isn't as long as Halo 3, Bungie have said that themselves, so charging us for it isn't really fair.

But I'll be honest, Microsoft are after money entirely, and they know that people will sell their kidney for a copy of a new Halo game, so what do you expect? I don't know about you, but I don't think you do well in buisiness if you try and sell for minimum profit.

Personally I like to see it as paying for all those hours of enjoyment Halo 3 online has given me, it only seems fair. Oh, not to mention the fact that I'm not paying the full £39.99 for it! I'm paying £26.99, a fair price (44$), because apparently Argos hasn't realised that it's risen in price :D

  • 06.18.2009 1:15 PM PDT

It's all good in my book.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

The people who are complaining either don't like the things put into ODST or are cheapskates. In which case they should simply either buy the game or don't, instead of wasting theirs and everyone elses time with all their whining.

  • 06.18.2009 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: x MibZ x
The people who are complaining either don't like the things put into ODST or are cheapstakes.


Or maybe "not stupid"? Just because we don't agree doesn't mean we don't like ODST. I -blam!- love it. I want it nao.

The reason I don't agree with the overpricing is because.. its overpriced.

I want you to give me a reason why its not being overpriced. And don't do the whole "it has halo's multiplayer/Halo:Reach beta/firefight separate" thing.

Tell me why a game that has A campaign with an extra mode is worth 60 bucks. Its not even more than 6 hours. Yes, I know that there are games out there that are about the same price and only have campaign. Like Assassin's creed. but that game is freaking long. Believe me, I can probably beat ODST in legendary in about 4 hours. Specially if I'm palying in Co-op (which everyone will).

  • 06.18.2009 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Posted by: The_omen
Or maybe "not stupid"? Just because we don't agree doesn't mean we don't like ODST. I -blam!- love it. I want it nao.

The reason I don't agree with the overpricing is because.. its overpriced.

I want you to give me a reason why its not being overpriced. And don't do the whole "it has halo's multiplayer/Halo:Reach beta/firefight separate" thing.

Tell me why a game that has A campaign with an extra mode is worth 60 bucks. Its not even more than 6 hours. Yes, I know that there are games out there that are about the same price and only have campaign. Like Assassin's creed. but that game is freaking long. Believe me, I can probably beat ODST in legendary in about 4 hours. Specially if I'm palying in Co-op (which everyone will).


The reason why is because it is Halo. People would give their kidney and left nut for a Halo game, and Microsoft well recognizes that.

The price isn't going to change no matter how much you whine about it, and taking up space on Bungie forums doing so will just waste even more time and space, considering Bungie has nothing to do with pricing.

All this considering, if you don't want to spend the money, don't buy the game. If you will anyway, then buy it. Pick one and stop whining unless you just love wasting time.

EDIT: Either that, or buy the game for $40. The collectors edition comes with a special controller and the normal game, and a controller is normally $60. If you already have 4 controllers then buy the collectors, keep the game, and sell the controller on ebay or craigslist. It will be sold, and you might even make a little bit more than $60 on it if you want to be a jerk with shipping costs.

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  • 06.18.2009 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ares074
plus 10 dollars for the the other 3 mythic maps and legendary maps

so it should be 80 dollars
It actually has every Halo 3 map on it on another disc.

2 discs for 60 bucks, both loaded with content is a bargain for $60.

  • 06.18.2009 1:30 PM PDT
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The people who are complaining either don't like the things put into ODST or are cheapskates. In which case they should simply either buy the game or don't, instead of wasting theirs and everyone elses time with all their whining.


I do not support crap like this. The only thing that I am getting if i buy ODST is a 4-5 hour campaign and firefight.

Why should i have to pay over $20 for maps?

I already bought the Legendary, Heroic and half of the mythic map packs.

Why should i pay $20 for Halo 3's Multiplayer?

I already own the Halo 3 disc.

Do you understand now? I really really want to play ODST. I really really want to play Firefight with my three buddies. But if i have to pay an extra $40 dollars to get my $25-$30 dollar content then its a big rip off.

I hope that ODST comes out as DLC. Hell, even as a separate package, away from the maps and multiplayer that i payed for.





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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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Posted by: HAVIK
I do not support crap like this. The only thing that I am getting if i buy ODST is a 4-5 hour campaign and firefight.

Why should i have to pay over $20 for maps?

I already bought the Legendary, Heroic and half of the mythic map packs.

Why should i pay $20 for Halo 3's Multiplayer?

I already own the Halo 3 disc.

Do you understand now? I really really want to play ODST. I really really want to play Firefight with my three buddies. But if i have to pay an extra $40 dollars to get my $25-$30 dollar content then its a big rip off.

I hope that ODST comes out as DLC. Hell, even as a separate package, away from the maps and multiplayer that i payed for.


Posted By: x MibZ x
The reason why is because it is Halo. People would give their kidney and left nut for a Halo game, and Microsoft well recognizes that.

The price isn't going to change no matter how much you whine about it, and taking up space on Bungie forums doing so will just waste even more time and space, considering Bungie has nothing to do with pricing.

All this considering, if you don't want to spend the money, don't buy the game. If you will anyway, then buy it. Pick one and stop whining unless you just love wasting time.

EDIT: Either that, or buy the game for $40. The collectors edition comes with a special controller and the normal game, and a controller is normally $60. If you already have 4 controllers then buy the collectors, keep the game, and sell the controller on ebay or craigslist. It will be sold, and you might even make a little bit more than $60 on it if you want to be a jerk with shipping costs.

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Well I don't pay taxes or anything like that all I have to pay for is gas really so saving up $60.00 is no biggy but I could see maybe if there were people struggling to make rent and pay the bills how it could be a lot of money. Then again why would you even be wasting money on silly games?

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Posted by: x MibZ x
The reason why is because it is Halo. People would give their kidney and left nut for a Halo game, and Microsoft well recognizes that.

The price isn't going to change no matter how much you whine about it, and taking up space on Bungie forums doing so will just waste even more time and space, considering Bungie has nothing to do with pricing.

All this considering, if you don't want to spend the money, don't buy the game. If you will anyway, then buy it. Pick one and stop whining unless you just love wasting time.

EDIT: Either that, or buy the game for $40. The collectors edition comes with a special controller and the normal game, and a controller is normally $60. If you already have 4 controllers then buy the collectors, keep the game, and sell the controller on ebay or craigslist. It will be sold, and you might even make a little bit more than $60 on it if you want to be a jerk with shipping costs.


And who are you to say that it won't go down in price if we "whine"? We're not whining anyway.

Whining: make a long high sound because you are in pain or unhappy. The dog was really sad; it whined all night.

I'm not whining. I'm standing up to something I don't see as right, just as many other people do. You might have forgotten, but standing up for you beliefs changes alot of things. I've seen people protesting for something they don't see as right, and guess what? They get what the want. Why? There's power in numbers. The bad thing is, like you said, Its halo. The average Halo Demographic are children. They can't stand up to anything. This is utter overpricing and if you don't see it as so then i don't know what to tell you. (this is not towards you Mibz, its towards the reader) You have either to much honor to say you were wrong or are just blinded by the game's awesomeness. Believe me when I tell you, there will be results to this. Someone has to say something. I'd settle for two versions of the game, one priced at 60$ with everything and one priced at 40$ with just the campaign/firefight. Of course, since everyone will buy the 40$ one, it is a bad move for MS to do this. However, there WILL be some result out of this.. Mark my words.

  • 06.18.2009 1:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Terren_117
It is only expensive for people who have ALREADY bought all the map packs.
It's expensive for those of us who didn't as well, because we've already decided the map packs were overpriced to begin with.

Halo 3: ODST is similarly overpriced. Yes, people are still going to buy it. But god damn, some of you must really get off on throwing your [parents] money away on Halo -blam!-. "It should be 80 dollars" my ass.

The retail disc should cost $40 tops, and they should release a DLC for $10-$20 that just contains the new campaign and Firefight. And of course the new map pack as $10 DLC as well... greedy bastards.

As if the $60 price point on new games isn't already overpriced. Hell, I'm still only paying $50 for new PC games, the majority of which are better than and have more content than Halo ever will. Now you dumbass console gamers are trying to support $60 expansion packs too...

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  • 06.18.2009 1:53 PM PDT
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I respect your opinion, I'm probably just going to disagree with it.

I think it's fair that people get paid for their hard work, but I dislike the way that games are always just that little bit too expensive. £30 maybe, £40 is just a bit much. Even for a full game, I think.

However, I still think it's fair that ODST is priced the same as a normal game, simply because it has its own Campaign, even more multiplayer than Halo 3 - as the Halo 3 multiplayer disc is in there too - and some new maps.

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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


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and how!

Posted by: The_omen
And who are you to say that it won't go down in price if we "whine"? We're not whining anyway.

Whining: make a long high sound because you are in pain or unhappy. The dog was really sad; it whined all night.

I'm not whining. I'm standing up to something I don't see as right, just as many other people do. You might have forgotten, but standing up for you beliefs changes alot of things. I've seen people protesting for something they don't see as right, and guess what? They get what the want. Why? There's power in numbers. The bad thing is, like you said, Its halo. The average Halo Demographic are children. They can't stand up to anything. This is utter overpricing and if you don't see it as so then i don't know what to tell you. (this is not towards you Mibz, its towards the reader) You have either to much honor to say you were wrong or are just blinded by the game's awesomeness. Believe me when I tell you, there will be results to this. Someone has to say something. I'd settle for two versions of the game, one priced at 60$ with everything and one priced at 40$ with just the campaign/firefight. Of course, since everyone will buy the 40$ one, it is a bad move for MS to do this. However, there WILL be some result out of this.. Mark my words.


I am someone who understands supply, demand, and marketing.

A company wants to make revenue. The company in question is Microsoft.

A company also has a limited supply of product. The product is Halo 3: ODST.

Depending on what the product is and how recently it has become available, a product will have different amounts of demand.


If demand > supply, the price will be higher.

If demand < supply, the price may be lowered in an effort to push sales and to bring the flow of money in back up, because if products are being made faster than they are being consumed, the company developing the product is losing money.


Even if you got 300 people to complain about the pricing on a forum, the price would not alter. Not in the slightest.

If you somehow got a large portion of the people planning to buy the game to not, which you won't, THEN the price would have a higher likelihood of dropping.

The other marketing aspect here is that the game is a Halo title. It will push hundreds of thousands of copies even if the cost is your kidney and legal rights to your first born child.

That was a hard one now, wasn't it?

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Posted by: Diaboy
I think it's fair that people get paid for their hard work, but I dislike the way that games are always just that little bit too expensive. £30 maybe, £40 is just a bit much. Even for a full game, I think.

However, I still think it's fair that ODST is priced the same as a normal game, simply because it has its own Campaign, even more multiplayer than Halo 3 - as the Halo 3 multiplayer disc is in there too - and some new maps.

I completely agree with you, but what if I already have all the things in the "other disc"? You see, the reasoning behind charging it 60 dollars was that it had Halo 3 Multiplayer, Something that all of us already have. The maps also accounted for its 60$ price. What? Many of us already bought one if not all the map packs. So why is it still 60$?

Okay look lets pretend Call of duty made an expansion to MW1. It would have a new 4-6 hour campaign (based on the same engine = less work) and a mode where you kill futuristic zombie -blam!-s (whatever). It was priced at 30 dollars. Sounds like a deal? OH WAIT! Activition then decides to add the main MW1 campaign and the multiplayer + all the new maps.

Still 30? It should be, but its not. Its now:

New Modern Warfare campaign=20 Bucks

Future Zombie -blam!- = 10 bucks

Old Modern Warfare Campaign=20 Bucks

Multiplayer= 20 bucks

Maps= 10 bucks

So now its- 80 Dollars. Does that even make sense? Hell no..

They should do what valve did. They made Orange box with included THREE BRAND NEW games and TWO old games.

So its: (for orange box)

Half life 2= FREE

Half Life 2 EP 1= FREE

Half Life 2 EP 2= 20 Bucks

Portal= 15-17 bucks (portal still alive is 1200MS Points so there you go)

Team Fortress two= 20 bucks

Final price - 55-57 dollars. Exatcly what it cost(ed. At the time of release. Tax Already included.)

  • 06.18.2009 2:10 PM PDT

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Sad thing is, Microsoft is taking advantage of the Halo 3 community... Most of the fans of the Halo series are there for the Multiplayer aspect of the game, am I wrong? Well, packaging ODST with three maps that (so far as we know) are exclusive to ODST kinda makes the Multiplayer loving a fan have to buy the $60 bundle just to get the whole maps set up and the three new maps. Some of my friends are perfect examples. They don't have any of the maps except Heroic, They want the maps really badly but don't have any way of getting Microsoft points because their parents don't believe in online money and they believe the system is faulty (Dun ask me why) so they have to go and pay an extra 50 bucks just to get a few maps that might even soon be required for some play lists. I mean, I know these kids don't have to get the maps but they might later on. And they really want them anyway. Microsoft is just seeing this as an opportunity to roll in as much dough as possible within reasonable means...

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Sad thing is, Microsoft is taking advantage of the Halo 3 community... Most of the fans of the Halo series are there for the Multiplayer aspect of the game, am I wrong? Well, packaging ODST with three maps that (so far as we know) are exclusive to ODST kinda makes the Multiplayer loving a fan have to buy the $60 bundle just to get the whole maps set up and the three new maps. Some of my friends are perfect examples. They don't have any of the maps except Heroic, They want the maps really badly but don't have any way of getting Microsoft points because their parents don't believe in online money and they believe the system is faulty (Dun ask me why) so they have to go and pay an extra 50 bucks just to get a few maps that might even soon be required for some play lists. I mean, I know these kids don't have to get the maps but they might later on. And they really want them anyway. Microsoft is just seeing this as an opportunity to roll in as much dough as possible within reasonable means...


Exatctly. They're taking advantage of us. We can't let them take advantage of us. Are we really that much of a pusharound community.

Let's not be taken as the "stupid halo 3 community" title that we have. We should stand up against this. If we let them charge whatever they want for it, they might charge 100$ dollars for Halo:Reach.

I mean Halo:Reach will come with:

Halo:Reach
Halo:Reach Multi
Halo ODST
Halo 3 Multi
All halo 3 maps
All Firefight Map Packs (believe me they will make these)
Bonus content.

Yes, this list is fictitious, but don't doubt it will become true. They will make up some bull-blam!- to overprice Halo:Reach just like they did with ODST.

Let's say Halo:Reach had all those things and it was charged at 100$. Is it worth it? yes to anybody that didn't buy all those things already, but who are we kidding? Everyone is going to have most if not all of those things by the release of Halo:Reach.

Don't let them charge 60$ for ODST.

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  • 06.18.2009 2:44 PM PDT

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The Lost and The Damned (GTA4) was only $20. It had a 15 hr. storyline, and 5 new multiplayer gametypes. Halo 3: ODST is $60, has a 6 hr. campaign, and one new "gametype".

See anything wrong there?

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The Lost and The Damned (GTA4) was only $20. It had a 15 hr. storyline, and 5 new multiplayer gametypes. Halo 3: ODST is $60, has a 6 hr. campaign, and one new "gametype".

See anything wrong there?

That's a great example.

So that's that. Halo ODST is overpriced..

Everyone agree? yes? Alright then, good deal.

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Posted by: Agent Oregon
The Lost and The Damned (GTA4) was only $20. It had a 15 hr. storyline, and 5 new multiplayer gametypes. Halo 3: ODST is $60, has a 6 hr. campaign, and one new "gametype".

See anything wrong there?


What is the point on adding halo 3 multiplayer when we already have halo 3.
i don't want those maps,i just want the new mythic maps.
why are you giving me maps i already have[are you making me pay for the maps again]
But to be honest i'm never ever going to buy dlc from major games like gears and halo.



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  • 06.18.2009 3:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: The_omen
I want you to give me a reason why its not being overpriced. And don't do the whole "it has halo's multiplayer/Halo:Reach beta/firefight separate" thing.


So don't use game features (firefight) to justify why a game is priced the way it is? Good job.

A game with a short campaign and a large amount of replayability with Co-op and an extra game mode? For $60? What game has ever done that?!

Oh, L4D says hi.

Edit: Of course, I would love if the game were cheaper, I'd love if all games were cheaper, but it's not. Threads like these won't change that.

I thought my first post in this thread covered the pricing pretty nicely. Not by the standards of some, apparently. :]

[Edited on 06.18.2009 5:17 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
So don't use game features (firefight) to justify why a game is priced the way it is? Good job.

A game with a short campaign and a large amount of replayability with Co-op and an extra game mode? For $60? What game has ever done that?!

Oh, L4D says hi.

Edit: Of course, I would love if the game were cheaper, I'd love if all games were cheaper, but it's not. Threads like these won't change that.

I thought my first post in this thread covered the pricing pretty nicely. Not by the standards of some, apparently. :]
All well and good if Halo 3: ODST was a new game. But it's not.

All you're getting is a mini-campaign that you'll likely finish in one sitting and never play again, a few new maps, and a new gametype. The only replay value will be in the multiplayer, which is the exact same multiplayer everyone here already paid for. I'm not seeing a $60 value. In fact, even $40 would be pushing it for current Halo 3 owners now that I think about it.

As a standalone game, I wouldn't value it too much higher than the original Halo 3, which is currently $40 considering it lacks the longer original campaign. As an expansion for current owners, a $10-$20 DLC option should be available.

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