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Subject: Is $60 that bad?

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Posted by: xDimension
All well and good if Halo 3: ODST was a new game. But it's not.

All you're getting is a mini-campaign that you'll likely finish in one sitting and never play again, a few new maps, and a new gametype. The only replay value will be in the multiplayer, which is the exact same multiplayer everyone here already paid for. I'm not seeing a $60 value. In fact, even $40 would be pushing it for current Halo 3 owners now that I think about it.


4 Player Co-Op in Campaign + Firefight = Multiplayer. I wasn't talking about the Halo 3 Matchmaking experience.

I'm definitely going to play campaign many times over with friends, because it's an open world and there's plenty of possibilities.

As a standalone game, I wouldn't value it too much higher than the original Halo 3, which is currently $40 considering it lacks the longer original campaign. As an expansion for current owners, a $10-$20 DLC option should be available.

The original Halo 3 is currently $40 because it's been out since 2007. If you want to wait for the Halo 3: ODST price to drop, go ahead and wait a couple years. :)

I think that ODST started off as just an expansion, but Bungie has made it into much more than that. Like I said earlier, had Bungie never referred to it as an expansion and posted a price they'd like to shoot for, most of these complaints wouldn't even be here.

Plenty of people are complaining for the sake of complaining, but I'm not singling anyone out.

  • 06.19.2009 8:05 AM PDT

I don't pay for betas. Anyone who does is a fool. It irks me a little how they're leveraging the halo brand so hard these days, they actually act like beta software is a paid privilege! Oh well.

But yeah, with all the maps, it's a perfectly reasonable buy for someone who hadn't got them all already.

  • 06.19.2009 8:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
I don't pay for betas. Anyone who does is a fool. It irks me a little how they're leveraging the halo brand so hard these days, they actually act like beta software is a paid privilege! Oh well.


........It is a paid privilege. That's how it was with Halo 3, that's what it'll be for this.

But yeah, with all the maps, it's a perfectly reasonable buy for someone who hadn't got them all already.
Or anybody really.

  • 06.19.2009 8:11 AM PDT

True Underdog has it right. I'm pretty shocked to see anybody arguing with him.

  • 06.19.2009 8:12 AM PDT

red riders

when did they start charging to test there next game 10.00 dollars what?

  • 06.19.2009 8:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
I don't pay for betas. Anyone who does is a fool. It irks me a little how they're leveraging the halo brand so hard these days, they actually act like beta software is a paid privilege! Oh well.


........It is a paid privilege. That's how it was with Halo 3, that's what it'll be for this.

Nope, I got a full game when I bought Crackdown. And quoting the sole example, which is incidentally from the same developer, publisher, platform owner and part of the same brand, is poor precedent.

But yeah, with all the maps, it's a perfectly reasonable buy for someone who hadn't got them all already.
Or anybody really.

No, not really. A short campaign and a nice little survival mode... no, that is not a reasonable buy compared to other full price games. Like Halo 3 for example.

  • 06.19.2009 8:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: XsquaredminusY
when did they start charging to test there next game 10.00 dollars what?


It's a gift that comes with the game. I don't think any official price has been tied to it. People are just tying a price to it to justify their purchase. I think the game stands well enough on it's own merits to consider the Reach beta invite a gift.

  • 06.19.2009 8:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
No, not really. A short campaign and a nice little survival mode... no, that is not a reasonable buy compared to other full price games. Like Halo 3 for example.


I think the campaign won't be much shorter than the campaign in the previous two Halo games, which can also be beaten in one sitting.

The 4 Player Co-op and firefight won't be for everyone. Some people won't be into it, so I can see why they'd be upset. If they're that torn up about it and only want the game for the maps, they can wait until the maps go up on the marketplace.

People were totally ok with paying $40 when we thought it was just the campaign expansion + maps. Now that more stuff has been announced, do they honestly expect the price to stay the same?

[Edited on 06.19.2009 8:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.19.2009 8:22 AM PDT

red riders

what i have seen of the game play that was post from e3 demo's looks weak. the night part means poor lighting going to play in white and green alot could mean less on the graphics. don't know how much of the game you will have to actally use the nite vision? looks to me as a water down take things way from off shoot of halo 3

  • 06.19.2009 8:26 AM PDT

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if you ask me. THATS CHEAP! i wouldnt have been suprise if it was $90 or $100.

  • 06.19.2009 8:32 AM PDT

Posted by: RhythmKiller
No, not really. A short campaign and a nice little survival mode... no, that is not a reasonable buy compared to other full price games. Like Halo 3 for example.
See going to have to disagree on this part at least. Going off your campaign history, your first play through of Halo 3 took 5 hours. From what I remember the campaign was slated to be around 3-5 hours long back when it was a lot smaller. Given it's probably grown at least slightly a 5 hour campaign isn't unlikely.

Meaning it'll be just as long as Halo 3's, ignoring the open world style which will likely increase that length somewhat.

On the subject of the price, and knowing that I pay a convict premium, I'm not to fussed by it. I'd like to see an alternate pack offered without all the maps and so cheaper, but it cant hurt to have a backup copy of multiplayer.

  • 06.19.2009 8:34 AM PDT
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if you don't play multiplayer, there's an extra $20 in useless features.

$40 is justified. $60, in your argument, assumes that everyone has XboxLive Gold accounts on auto-renewal.

my internet connection tends to crap out quite easily, so I tend to avoid multiplayer (unless the game comes with a free XBLgold trial card)

More importantly, how do you justify $10 for the Reach beta after the beta closes?

tldr: yes, $60 is bad when 1/3 of the cost requires additional expenditures.

  • 06.19.2009 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: ObamaIsAFraud
I think $60 is a bad price for most games. But it has become the norm now unfortunately. It's like the prices with going to sports games, as long as people pay, theyll charge as much as they can, even if it really is over priced. Think about it, $60 might not sound like much but that is more than half of $100. Just for a game.


This is something I can agree with. I think that all games should be cheaper than the $60 standard we see today, but it's the norm now. This game isn't overpriced in relation to the norm, in my opinion. The prices we deal with today definitely impact my buying habits. I tend to only purchase games if I know I'll play them for awhile, as well.

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if you don't play multiplayer, there's an extra $20 in useless features.

$40 is justified. $60, in your argument, assumes that everyone has XboxLive Gold accounts on auto-renewal.

my internet connection tends to crap out quite easily, so I tend to avoid multiplayer (unless the game comes with a free XBLgold trial card)

More importantly, how do you justify $10 for the Reach beta after the beta closes?

tldr: yes, $60 is bad when 1/3 of the cost requires additional expenditures.


This applies to any game with online multiplayer.

  • 06.19.2009 8:42 AM PDT

red riders

I can tell you Bungie is worried because there not seeing the 1.5 million pre-order like they did in halo3. they been doing alot more ad's for sgt johnson add-on if you pre order. I'am going to rent it only to get the achievements then take it back and hope reach is better?

  • 06.19.2009 8:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: XsquaredminusY
I can tell you Bungie is worried because there not seeing the 1.5 million pre-order like they did in halo3. they been doing alot more ad's for sgt johnson add-on if you pre order. I'am going to rent it only to get the achievements then take it back and hope reach is better?


Do you have a source for the number of preorders? Also, when did you develop telepathic powers? I've been trying to learn, but I'm still stuck with just telekinesis. They might as well show the Johnson add. Do you really want to see ads for the Heroic and Legendary maps anymore?

  • 06.19.2009 8:46 AM PDT

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WTF?

I'm from mexico and here will be more expensive and I do not complain, also here there is not pre-order -.-

  • 06.19.2009 8:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
No, not really. A short campaign and a nice little survival mode... no, that is not a reasonable buy compared to other full price games. Like Halo 3 for example.


I think the campaign won't be much shorter than the campaign in the previous two Halo games, which can also be beaten in one sitting.

I guess we will have to see about that. Everything I read so far gave me the firm impression it was never supposed to be a similar length to the prior halo campaigns.

The 4 Player Co-op and firefight won't be for everyone. Some people won't be into it, so I can see why they'd be upset. If they're that torn up about it and only want the game for the maps, they can wait until the maps go up on the marketplace.

People were totally ok with paying $40 when we thought it was just the campaign expansion + maps. Now that more stuff has been announced, do they honestly expect the price to stay the same?

All that's been announced in terms of more content is firefight, which does indeed look fun.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
No, not really. A short campaign and a nice little survival mode... no, that is not a reasonable buy compared to other full price games. Like Halo 3 for example.
See going to have to disagree on this part at least. Going off your campaign history, your first play through of Halo 3 took 5 hours. From what I remember the campaign was slated to be around 3-5 hours long back when it was a lot smaller. Given it's probably grown at least slightly a 5 hour campaign isn't unlikely.

I didn't have internet installed in my house at the time of halo 3's release, I'd just moved. I think I got it about a month after, so that can't be right.

Anyhow, if I had been under the impression halo 3 took 5 hours to complete, that would make me feel negatively towards halo 3. Not positively about ODST by comparison!!!

The funny thing is, if someone had never bought Halo 3, this game would be awesome value for them. This title's value is so much geared towards it being stuffed with bonuses and incentives, its value really does depend on what you bought already.

  • 06.19.2009 8:51 AM PDT

red riders

that's what i'am talking about you haven't heard with 3months to release if pre-order was going good you would know it. this game is going away what bungie does best MM

  • 06.19.2009 8:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: True Underdog


This applies to any game with online multiplayer.


exactly. thing is, much of what makes the Halo games fun is the multiplayer experience.
<akin to playing Super Smash Bros by yourself, and only yourself; it kinda sucks without other people playing>

but for the sake of the argument, common complaints are common.

  • 06.19.2009 8:55 AM PDT

Fair enough I did consider that, and fair call on making it look Halo 3 look worse instead. Wasn't specifically targeted at you, just happened to be the first point when I was linked here.

Overall that's my view on that particular issue people have though. The campaign hasn't been billed as much shorter than Halo 2 or 3's from my experience, and only a couple hours shorter than my memories of H1, and I was fairly new to shooters back then.

  • 06.19.2009 8:56 AM PDT

red riders

what awards did they win with halo3 campaign they didn't. with MM they best and most addicting. why make a game without it that's like saleing burger and forgeting the burger.

  • 06.19.2009 9:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pogra
Okay, i always see threads on this forum about "OMG ODST Is SOOOOO much Moneh!!!!1", i think $60 is a reasonable price, just hear me out.

This is how the price matches up:

Open world campaign and Firefight:$40

3 New Halo 3 Map: $10

Halo:Reach Beta: $10

See, you would normally pay $10 in Microsoft points for the 3 new maps. Plus, there are a bunch of other cool features in ODST such as the Theater. And, i think if you can afford an Xbox 360, a computer to go to these forums, and Halo 3, you should be able to purchase ODST.


I can afford it but it should be 40 or 50 bucks. Why Because compare this to Halo 3 It came with campaign,theater,Forge,New multiplayer, A lot of maps so don't say 10 bucks for 3 maps because halo 3 came with like 10 or more and microsoft doesn't know pricing look at Oblivion Game of the year edition to Add ons on the market place. Halo Odst has campaign,firefight,theater with some maps. And the Halo:Reach Beta, thats for feedback before the real game comes out so they can change stuff like the maps and bugs in the game. You don't pay for that.

  • 06.19.2009 9:02 AM PDT

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I got mine for £37 ; )

  • 06.19.2009 9:05 AM PDT

Vancouver BC, Canada.

You are paying a good price for what comes in the box.

  • 06.19.2009 9:08 AM PDT

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