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Subject: There were, in fact, two classes of Spartan II's

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Everyone had all these theories about what Spartan-320 and Spartan-259 about how they can't be Spartan II's because they only went up to 150. A second class of Spartan II's were going to be conscripted but postponed because Dr. Halsey wanted to further research the augmentation process so the next classes would have a higher survival rate. How do you test the defects? you need 'subjects', so what i'm thinking is that Dr. Halsey conscripted a couple of kids in 2537 and went through the same stuff as before, probably with a little change.

Also notice that none of the 5 above look to have standard MJOLNIR armor, http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f1/Halo3MC.jp g. It looks like random armor parts just thrown together to make a suit.

Here is the mark V armore which is what they had while on Reach.
In this video they talk briefly about my theory. http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14276699/halo-project/vide os/haloreach_spc_rewindtheater.html

Anyhow what are your thoughts?

[Edited on 06.18.2009 8:01 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 7:43 PM PDT

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Class IIs are from ILB, and ILB was called canon by Frankie, so correct. However, I doubt that -259 and -320 are Class IIs, the more likely matter is that there were 320+ children surveyed, 150 were chosen as candidates, and 75 were indoctrinated.

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Posted by: Bullseye410
Also notice that none of the 5 above look to have standard MJOLNIR armor, http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f1/Halo3MC.jp g. It looks like random armor parts just thrown together to make a suit.


Your link leads to a picture of MJONLNIR Mark VI Armor, which didn't happen to exist during the battle of Reach.

Also the guy on the left looks like he might be wearing Mark I armor, which was on Reach according to the book unless it was moved. (Mark I was just a mech suit of some sort)

[Edited on 06.18.2009 7:52 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 7:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bullseye410
Also notice that none of the 5 above look to have standard MJOLNIR armor, http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f1/Halo3MC.jp g. It looks like random armor parts just thrown together to make a suit.


Your link leads to a picture of MJONLNIR Mark VI Armor, which didn't happen to exist during the battle of Reach.


He is right. They Use Mark V and Mark IV.

  • 06.18.2009 7:52 PM PDT

-You look like you could suck a golf ball through a waterhose.

Yes, My apologies. I was using it mainly for the use of size and symmetry of the armor, however its fixed.

  • 06.18.2009 8:02 PM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Class IIs are from ILB, and ILB was called canon by Frankie, so correct. However, I doubt that -259 and -320 are Class IIs, the more likely matter is that there were 320+ children surveyed, 150 were chosen as candidates, and 75 were indoctrinated.

Dude, you've read the books. There were only 150 kids that Halsey and Keyes observed. There were no more. Of the 150 only 75 made it due to budget cuts, of the 75 only 30 or so survived the augmentation and there were about 5 crippled from the augmentation. I'm starting to think you have not read the books and are just using Halopedia.

  • 06.18.2009 9:04 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

They never completed Spartan II class II due to Halsey pulling out of the project. She never made a second batch of Spartans. The only other Spartans ever made as confirmed by the Halo universe are the Spartan IIIs. And ILB is not fully considered canon, only bits and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.

[Edited on 06.18.2009 9:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.18.2009 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Raylette
They never completed Spartan II class II due to Halsey pulling out of the project. She never made a second batch of Spartans. The only other Spartans ever made as confirmed by the Halo universe are the Spartan IIIs. And ILB is not fully considered canon, only buts and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.

That made me laugh soooooo hard, "only buts and pieces". I don't know why.

  • 06.18.2009 9:11 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: Skiracer93
Posted by: Raylette
They never completed Spartan II class II due to Halsey pulling out of the project. She never made a second batch of Spartans. The only other Spartans ever made as confirmed by the Halo universe are the Spartan IIIs. And ILB is not fully considered canon, only buts and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.

That made me laugh soooooo hard, "only buts and pieces". I don't know why.

XD I'm glad you pointed out the typo.

  • 06.18.2009 9:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Raylette
...ILB is not fully considered canon, only buts and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.
You cannot make the claim that only buts and pieces of ILB is canon without supporting it with a source.

That's one of the big problems around here. People are always pulling out "facts" to support their views that aren't facts at all. Worse is when other people read these comments and start repeating it.

If you want to claim ILB is canon you need to provide a source.
If you want to makes claims that only segments of it count as canon you need to supply a source.
If you cannot provide a source for your statement and the information you're providing is not already something widely accepted and documented then you must state that you're giving your opinion.

No more supporting views with dubious statements.

  • 06.18.2009 9:43 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Posted by: TheCyberFreak
Posted by: Raylette
...ILB is not fully considered canon, only buts and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.
You cannot make the claim that only buts and pieces of ILB is canon without supporting it with a source.

That's one of the big problems around here. People are always pulling out "facts" to support their views that aren't facts at all. Worse is when other people read these comments and start repeating it.

If you want to claim ILB is canon you need to provide a source.
If you want to makes claims that only segments of it count as canon you need to supply a source.
If you cannot provide a source for your statement and the information you're providing is not already something widely accepted and documented then you must state that you're giving your opinion.

No more supporting views with dubious statements.

I agree. I should have posted my source. So....here it is. Halopedia page: Ilovebees

Section: Canon? (Quote from here down. I didn't write this)
The issue of whether or not I Love Bees should be considered Halo canon is somewhat unclear. In the Apocalypso Chat, the minds behind I Love Bees say that Bungie basically let them write their own thing, but offered certain suggestions regarding storytelling devices and corrected facets such as the original idea that ONI would hang traitors, which was changed to them given permanent comatose.[1] In October, 2004, this was expanded on by Joseph Staten in an interview with Halo.Bungie.Org, who, when asked if I Love Bees should be considered canon, said plainly "The Bees would not make the cut. Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."[2]

However, in the July 28, 2006 episode of the 1up show, Frank O'Connor mentioned the revised state of canon as applied to I Love Bees. In answering a question about how the Halo Graphic Novel expanded the Halo universe beyond the games and Bungie's overall plans for the universe, he said, "We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that."[3] This was shown in the graphic novel as two characters from I Love Bees, Herzog and Standish, are referenced in a canon image, as well as events in the I Love Bees storyline in which they took place.[4]

Still, I Love Bees cannot be considered entirely Halo canon. There are elements of I Love Bees that directly contradict more recent Halo material of definite status of canon, such as the time in which characters Shaw and Fujikawa were supposed to have been alive. Perhaps I Love Bees should be considered at a similar canonical level as the expanded universe of the Star Wars series, in which I Love Bees should only be considered canon until contradicted elsewhere. In any case, the ARG's status of canon remains unclear.

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Posted by: Raylette
Posted by: TheCyberFreak
Posted by: Raylette
...ILB is not fully considered canon, only buts and pieces are. Same with Halo Wars.
You cannot make the claim that only buts and pieces of ILB is canon without supporting it with a source.

That's one of the big problems around here. People are always pulling out "facts" to support their views that aren't facts at all. Worse is when other people read these comments and start repeating it.

If you want to claim ILB is canon you need to provide a source.
If you want to makes claims that only segments of it count as canon you need to supply a source.
If you cannot provide a source for your statement and the information you're providing is not already something widely accepted and documented then you must state that you're giving your opinion.

No more supporting views with dubious statements.

I agree. I should have posted my source. So....here it is. Halopedia page: Ilovebees

Section: Canon? (Quote from here down. I didn't write this)
The issue of whether or not I Love Bees should be considered Halo canon is somewhat unclear. In the Apocalypso Chat, the minds behind I Love Bees say that Bungie basically let them write their own thing, but offered certain suggestions regarding storytelling devices and corrected facets such as the original idea that ONI would hang traitors, which was changed to them given permanent comatose.[1] In October, 2004, this was expanded on by Joseph Staten in an interview with Halo.Bungie.Org, who, when asked if I Love Bees should be considered canon, said plainly "The Bees would not make the cut. Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."[2]

However, in the July 28, 2006 episode of the 1up show, Frank O'Connor mentioned the revised state of canon as applied to I Love Bees. In answering a question about how the Halo Graphic Novel expanded the Halo universe beyond the games and Bungie's overall plans for the universe, he said, "We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that."[3] This was shown in the graphic novel as two characters from I Love Bees, Herzog and Standish, are referenced in a canon image, as well as events in the I Love Bees storyline in which they took place.[4]

Still, I Love Bees cannot be considered entirely Halo canon. There are elements of I Love Bees that directly contradict more recent Halo material of definite status of canon, such as the time in which characters Shaw and Fujikawa were supposed to have been alive. Perhaps I Love Bees should be considered at a similar canonical level as the expanded universe of the Star Wars series, in which I Love Bees should only be considered canon until contradicted elsewhere. In any case, the ARG's status of canon remains unclear.

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Posted by: Skiracer93
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Class IIs are from ILB, and ILB was called canon by Frankie, so correct. However, I doubt that -259 and -320 are Class IIs, the more likely matter is that there were 320+ children surveyed, 150 were chosen as candidates, and 75 were indoctrinated.

Dude, you've read the books. There were only 150 kids that Halsey and Keyes observed. There were no more. Of the 150 only 75 made it due to budget cuts, of the 75 only 30 or so survived the augmentation and there were about 5 crippled from the augmentation. I'm starting to think you have not read the books and are just using Halopedia.
I don't believe that 150 was ever described as the highest number; it was a multi-billion dollar program, can you seriously believe that there were only 150 people considered? Those 150 had to have undergone some screening process, or what else made the 150 so special? There had to have been a larger pool before the 150.

  • 06.18.2009 10:36 PM PDT

nuff said...

well many did die undergoing the augmentations....

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They say in the book that there are 300 kids that meet the qualifications but due to lack of funds they can only choose 150. Hasley goes to each kid and flips a coin so that technically half would be cut by chance. When they first show up John was already called 117. Which means that they numbered the kids b4 any of them were eliminated. I could be wrong, just a point.

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IGN just posted a story with some good Halo: Reach speculation: Here's a relevant tidbit:

"Of course, it is entirely possible that Bungie will introduce previously unknown Spartans as the main characters. Based on the E3 trailer, that seems likely. Master Chief was a member of the first wave of Spartans, but the books repeatedly mention a second group in training. During the trailer, Sierra 320 announces she is ready for insertion and Sierra 259 says there are Spartans on the ground. If these are the call-signs for Spartans, they would be numbered higher than any of the first wave that Master Chief was a member of. And since we don't know how many Spartans took part in the second wave of the training program, it could be that we'll see many more Spartans in one battle than most of us previously thought possible. The idea of the Spartan as a lone wolf might be about to perish. "

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/995/995280p3.html

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Mark VI armor was used in Halo 2, after the events in Halo: First Strike. The Mark V armor was used during the fall of Reach, in the fight on Installation 04, and in the Jericho VII Theater of Operations in Lambda Serpentis System. It was also used in many other battles.

  • 06.19.2009 6:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpineGlory
They say in the book that there are 300 kids that meet the qualifications but due to lack of funds they can only choose 150. Hasley goes to each kid and flips a coin so that technically half would be cut by chance. When they first show up John was already called 117. Which means that they numbered the kids b4 any of them were eliminated. I could be wrong, just a point.

Sorry, but you got the coin flipping think completely wrong. It wasn't up to random chance if they got picked or not. It was their genes that were flagged for potential, they got chosen then Halsey went to inspect and record data on them. The coin was a special test for her first subject to test for Luck.

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