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Subject: Forerunner Evidence.
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Posted By: Eagle117

Good stuff Chaplain and SIII.

I definitely have some arguments to bring up concerning all of this, but I'm going to bed right now. I'll try and look this thread up tomorrow so that I can lend you my thoughts.

Oh yea, don't forget that even though I will argue againt this theory tomorrow, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Remember that I've also writen a thread or two on the Forerunner, Human connections... one earlier this week as a matter of fact. I just enjoy having well conducted arguments. Hopefully we can stay clear of all the flaming that went on last time:)

I'll talk to ya'll tomorrow,
-Eagle 117


Hope you have some good arguments. :)

  • 07.18.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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Gj Chaplain and SIII. Even though i stil don't believe in it it is a good theory. Also I don't think you have to wrry about flames because last time peopel (including myself) started flaming because of the way you presented yoru theory and your attitude. Now its much better. Once again gj.

  • 07.18.2004 1:25 PM PDT

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Well done again, Good job of supporting with evidence Chaplain...

And as a thought, to toot my own horn, Remember when Eagle asked Why would the Forerunner make a weapon for their own demise?

Well, I believe that the simple answer is, they didn't.

Quite possibly they saw they had no other choice. Since it appears that anything actually ON the Halo is immune to the weapon, and there are other installations, it serves to reason that they would have grabbed members of each species, to preserve the races of the galaxy before they fired the Halo.

Think of how big the Halos are, almost as long around as the Earth around the Tropic lines. And almost 1/6 as wide, there would be plenty of space to keep a record of races. This fits into your theory, and answers Eagle's question as well, without proving or disproving either.

Under this hypothesis, the Forerunner could be human, or could have saved the humans, so I think it fits well...

  • 07.18.2004 5:43 PM PDT
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Maby earth is a supper halo like halo 5 or somthing like that

  • 07.18.2004 5:53 PM PDT

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Maybe not - I think the scientists of 2552 - even the scientist of 2004 could figure out if we were sitting on that much technology. Besides it wouldn't be that much more 'Super' than the Halo we already tore up. That Halos firing surface is about as big around as the Tropic of Cancer (or Capricorn whichever you prefer). No I truly doubt the Earth has any firing capabilities like that. But, then again I could be wrong, after all, how long until we found the Hologram Room on Reach? Or as I like to call it "The Room of Informational Illusions"

5 points to anyone who knows what that name is from...

  • 07.18.2004 6:19 PM PDT
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First off, I'm hoping that I can get an answer as to why some poeple still don't beleive this. I don't care if you do or not (All I cared about before was for you to stop flaming me.) Just, what parts of this, are most unbeleiveable? And what could I do to clear it up? Or maybe SIII vould help out too.

  • 07.18.2004 6:29 PM PDT
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not necissarly (sp?) unbelivable just not intirely probably, but otherwise you did your homework on this one guys good job

  • 07.18.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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Posted by DeathScythe

no comment, I dont speculate anymore. but for the last time chaplain. its NOT centrifigul force. thats a errr"dumbed" down term and is very much incorrect. its called....

Incidental centripital acceleration

Im working on a physics major so believe me I know what I am talking about. I havent read S111,s add on but I read most of your theory chap, besides the flaws bungie built into Halos physics itself its pretty sound.

I thought i was the only person who knew that! I knew that for like 6 years. Thank you Bill-Nye.

[Edited on 7/18/2004 7:02:27 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 7:00 PM PDT
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FLAME FLAME I HATE THAT THEORY YOU SUCK..............just kidding Gj nicely done but it took all my knowledge to get what you were saying lol

  • 07.18.2004 7:01 PM PDT
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That's what I'm here to do... lol.

And Deathscythe (Also the other guy) dude, what's it called when you have a centerfuge rotating creating gravity? I gotta remember it for my "Theory."

  • 07.18.2004 7:24 PM PDT
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dude stop this is the fourth post on the same subject from u alone sin ce i became a member just plz stop plz

  • 07.18.2004 7:33 PM PDT
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I think that the forerunners are really really tall...........cos everything on halo is extra big like the doors and hallways and stuff, and on reach (books-first strike) when they go under menachite mountain and castle base that room is huge and the hallway that leads to it is also massive but thats all the evidence i have so yeah.

  • 07.18.2004 7:34 PM PDT
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ok chaplain u knew that if i found out about this i would have to disprove it with my logics lol uve read my other postings so u know whats coming.

the fore runners cant be humans.343 guilty spark is insane. if the mc or any human had set off halo then wouldnt have humans been killed by halo? more importantly halo cant have been set off before because humans would be dead right now and would have had to reevolve from absolutly nothing. i think that the fore runners were killed in the first detonation of halo. of course when halo 2 comes out and if you are right i will never discredit ur theories again unless their REALLY stupid but my point still stands that if halo went off once then fore runners and humans alike would be dead which means everything 343 says i compl;ete bs and psychotic rambling.

  • 07.18.2004 7:46 PM PDT
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dude stop this is the fourth post on the same subject from u alone sin ce i became a member just plz stop plz

Here, lemme give you a hint. If you don't like what's on T.V. Change the channel. SO in other words, if you don't like this thread, don't go to it, and I only have three threads, one is not at all like the other. They all have their own points in it.

And number two to my reply.

Kenshin, it's Forerunner, Not Fore Runner. Sorry, but I get all confused when people spell it like that. And you said that if the Halo's went off, all the forerunner would be dead. Along with the rest of the sentient speicies right? Right, so explain to me why there are still flood forms... Yeah, obviously the flood were still thriving on something, and in order for them to survive, their host has to be sentient.

Now, if you built a superweapon that would destroy all sentient life, wouldn't you want to maybe keep your own race alive? Yes, you would. The forerunner built the Halo installations, so they probably built it into the halo so they could stay alive somehow.

[Edited on 7/18/2004 7:56:58 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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then that would make 343 a liar so u cant trust anything he says... also it calls the forerunners a long dead race and like the other dude said if they were human why the hell is everything so fukin huge i mean jesus whats with the 30 foot arch ways. to the flood thing let me answer ur question with one of my own. how do bears survive through the winter (3 months) with no food?

  • 07.18.2004 8:00 PM PDT
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They stock pile food, but Flood can't stockpile and thrive upon dead "food." And what kind of response is this....

then that would make 343 a liar so u cant trust anything he says

LOL, come on dude, you know that's not true, you can and you do trust and beleive what he says. Do you know how big the entrance to the white house is? Very large. It's a style. I actually found it pretty normal.

also it calls the forerunners a long dead race

No he doesn't.

  • 07.18.2004 8:10 PM PDT
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actually bears dont stock pile food they eat tons of food and sleep it off living off of the fat. lol thats all i got im tired and m going to another postlol.

  • 07.18.2004 8:18 PM PDT

The Flood doesn't eat seintent life, they infect it.

  • 07.18.2004 8:28 PM PDT
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Ok seriously, the flood would have survived as the infection form I believe. Going into a stasis much like seeds of a plant, which they have found seeds in Egyptian tombs that still sprout into full living plants. Secondly, if the first firing had killed absolutly all sentient life in the Universe, how did the Covenant species survive? So obviously something had to have survived. Plus from reading other people's comments it's made me wonder why Halo had such Earth like conditions with flaura and fauna (sorry for spelling) perhaps like others are saying it is possible to survive on the actual halo.

  • 07.18.2004 8:40 PM PDT
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actually bears dont stock pile food they eat tons of food and sleep it off living off of the fat.

Yeah that's what I emant, and no they don't do that. You can tell they don't do that because that's just not how they survive. They have to feed on something, and they can't just sit there for 100's of thousands of years. Plus, like I said before. Who put them in there? Yeah, forget that they were locked up? They didn't do that themselves I hope...

  • 07.18.2004 8:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chaplain
actually bears dont stock pile food they eat tons of food and sleep it off living off of the fat.

Yeah that's what I emant, and no they don't do that. You can tell they don't do that because that's just not how they survive. They have to feed on something, and they can't just sit there for 100's of thousands of years. Plus, like I said before. Who put them in there? Yeah, forget that they were locked up? They didn't do that themselves I hope...


If they did it would sure as hell make our job easier. Just show them the room and lock the door...

Achilles

  • 07.18.2004 9:41 PM PDT
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lol you got that right.

  • 07.18.2004 9:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Chaplain
Now, Eagle117 your question went something along the lines of why did they create a weapon for their own demise.



The broader question was, how did the Forerunners survive Halos activation if they were Human (sentient life)?


Posted by: Chaplain
And As for your other idea, if it were fired all sentient life would be destroyed. Okay.... How many years ago was it destroyed? 100,000 years right? Hate to use other people's arguments, but who's system? Earths? Ours? The Covie system? Or the previous more advanced form of humans (i.e. Forerunners.)



They all exist in the same galaxy. If the Halos were activated, then all sentient life with in this galaxy (all the species you mentioned above) would cease to exist:)


Posted by: Chaplain
"Ah," 343 Guilty Spark said, peering down over the Spartan's shoulder. "The other Reclaimer. His combat skin proved even less suitable than yours."
The soldier looked up over his shoulder. "What do you mean?"
"Is this a test, Reclaimer?" the Monitor seemed genuinely puzzled. "I found him wandering through a structure on the other side of the ring, and brought him to the same point where you started." Page 244 (Bottom paragraphs, word for word.)

That guy. You forget about him? I hope not, I hope nobody would forget about him, because that guy, is a real man. But more to the point. He called him the other Reclaimer. And note, "Reclaimer" is capitalized... That's right, meaning, he isn't just ANY reclaimer, he's the Reclaimer. Human. Not just the Spartans. It isn't just Master Chief that he thinks is the Reclaimer. He is calling human's Reclaimers. Humans. 343 Calling human's reclaimers.



I still hold this belief:

Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto is more of a "mistakened Reclaimer" taken to the Library when the events of Halo (the game) take place, and not the Reclaimer that I refer to in my theory. Why? Well, there are others on Halo at the time of the events of the game who have suits of armor similar in fashion to the Spartan's Mark IV. Who you might ask... ODSTs:)

We know from First Strike that there were ODST's on Halo, because the MC finds Locklear... the only ODST left of his squad. It is quite possible that this "other Reclaimer" spoken about in The Flood is an ODST, and not a marine who was mistaken for a Spartan/MC:)

If there was a clone made of the MC who was sent to Halo by Ackerson, he would have been wearing some type of armor for protection. It wouldn't have been Mark IV armor, though, because a clone of the MC wouldn't have the augmentation needed to wear Mark IV armor... the Spartans weren't born with super human abilities. So, what is the next best armor that is used by the UNSC... ODST armor.

To add to this, we know that Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto was wearing a suit of armor, because 343 GS refers to him as wearing a "less effective combat skin". So, we can tell from this statement, made by 343 GS, that the "other Reclaimer" was wearing a suit of armor that was less effective than the MC's. The only suit of armor that fits this profile is an ODST suit of armor. Normal soldiers do not wear suits of armor/combat skins. They just have a helmet and some bullet proof armor covering their vital organ areas.


ALSO


I know your reply is going to be, "the MC refers to Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto as a marine in The Floos. Well, the MC also refers to Locklear (an ODST in the First Strike) as a Marine in this quote:

[color=white]Sergeant Johnson and Corporal Locklear stood in the doorway--- frozen. "No one tole me this was target practice," Locklear muttered. "Else I woulda pained a bull'seye on my chest." "Maste Chief," the Sergeant said. "Reporting as you requested." John nodded and lowered his gun, as did the other SPartans.[/color] [color=red]"Come in Marines."(p.268-269 FS)[/color] [color=white]as he holstered his weapon.[/color]

The MC refers to an ODST as a marine in that sequence.

Finally, the MC says 343 GS may be crazy: [color=white]"It was quite possible that the little AI was in insane."(p.238 TF)[/color], so it's possible that 343 GS could have mistaken an ODST for the Reclaimer. Unlike a normal marine, a Spartan and an ODST wears a combat skin; as in, covering the whole body... like a second skin:) [/color]



That all I have time to go through right now.

I'm sure you have a response to all this:)

-Eagle 117





[Edited on 7/18/2004 11:39:23 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 11:30 PM PDT
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I completly agree with the fact that the Humans are the forunner. You can see my theory on "the official Halo2 speculation thread."

The Fact that the reclaimer is Human proves the fact... Think about it for a second... reclaimer? Somone who reclaims their property that was lost, or stolen.

The other fact is that 343 GS says (somwhat along these lines) "The other species on this ring is determined to reach restricted areas"... He doesent know the "other species" real name, the covenant. The fact is that he knows the name of the Humans, and chooses them to "reclaim" their property. Not to mention that he can speak English.

Perhaps it has to do with time travel?

[Edited on 7/18/2004 11:41:56 PM]

  • 07.18.2004 11:41 PM PDT
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I don't think time travel has anything to do with this. I'm serioulsy leaning toward the more in-the-norm response. If Humans Built 343 Guilty Spark. He would know what our name was. He wouldn't need somebody to come from a different time to tel him. I'd say your theory is powerful though.

And Eagle, I'll have your reply in a second. :)

  • 07.19.2004 12:15 AM PDT