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Subject: Forerunner Evidence.
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heres something just read and ill explain why i said this statement from fall of reach, it may sound in-conclusive BUT READ, then ill explain

"first she told him, "we have replicated and i might add IMPROVED upon the energy shield the covernant jackals have being useing againt us to great effect"

now i beleave the backs up connection some what, as it just appears that everything including technology on halo seems to be very human friendly.. why would that be, it would be because Halo was based on HUMAN/FORERUNNER specifications

Now how is the shield significant, well as u know the Covernant technology is all heavyly based on FORERUNNER/HUMAN influences, now how is it we can improve upon there shield techonology in so little time? well i say its because its based on Human/forerunner ideas.. Why would we think the same as covernant? we wouldnt, we would have our own ideas etc.. perhaps thats why we improved upon the techology so fast, because we designed the initial techology hence improving on what the covernant had possed for who knows how long..!!!

and yer who knows its probly worth theory in world so meh! flame me :D

  • 07.19.2004 12:23 AM PDT
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The broader question was, how did the Forerunners survive Halos activation if they were Human (sentient life)?

After several replies... I've come to the conclusion that the Forerunner, when building the Halo installations, would program something in to allow the Human/Forerunner Race to be able to live on. This could be explained by the fact that there are still Flood Forms around. Meaning, there had to have been sentient species too (Still alive...)

They all exist in the same galaxy. If the Halos were activated, then all sentient life with in this galaxy (all the species you mentioned above) would cease to exist

Wait wait wait.... We don't even know how the Halo works. It might not just IMMEDIATELY destroy every living thing. It could be a virus. It could be the flood itself. We have no idea. The point here is without knowledge of how the halo's work, we can't determine that the halo's actually have even gone off. It could be a T.V. Broadcast telling everyone to pull out their Government issued "Halo Pistol" and to shoot themself TWICE in the head... We have no idea. (Hope you liked the joke :)

I still hold this belief:

Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto is more of a "mistakened Reclaimer" taken to the Library when the events of Halo (the game) take place, and not the Reclaimer that I refer to in my theory. Why? Well, there are others on Halo at the time of the events of the game who have suits of armor similar in fashion to the Spartan's Mark IV. Who you might ask... ODSTs:)


I understand how much you think of the ODST marines. But the fact is, I beleive the Marines on Halo were ODST's... Why would they have the whole story about the ODST's coming down on their drop pods, if they weren't even giong to be shown in Halo? Besides, Master Chief Got an armor upgrade. Why couldn't the marines? But so far that has been the largest piece of evidence against my "theory" yet.

  • 07.19.2004 12:34 AM PDT

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Been reading the flood (its a pretty rubbish book),it has some interesting stuff in it. Like how master chief instinctively knows how to use the forerunner technology and how cortana is so startled by that, pretty weird, seems to suggest... well you know.

  • 07.19.2004 1:24 AM PDT

After several replies... I've come to the conclusion that the Forerunner, when building the Halo installations, would program something in to allow the Human/Forerunner Race to be able to live on. This could be explained by the fact that there are still Flood Forms around. Meaning, there had to have been sentient species too (Still alive...)


[color=white](p.241 TF) "with nothing to feed on and nowhere to go, the Flood lay dormant for over a hundred thousand years."[/color] Dormant doesn't mean that there were stock piles of food for the Flood to feed on. It means: [color=white] "Lying asleep with development suspended; not growing."[/color]


Wait wait wait.... We don't even know how the Halo works. It might not just IMMEDIATELY destroy every living thing. It could be a virus. It could be the flood itself. We have no idea. The point here is without knowledge of how the halo's work, we can't determine that the halo's actually have even gone off.


[color=white]"Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?"[/color] You're right in saying that we don't know the method of Halo's destruction. However, using this statement from 343 GS, we can tell that the galaxy would cease to have sentient life after the Halos were activated.


I understand how much you think of the ODST marines. But the fact is, I beleive the Marines on Halo were ODST's... Why would they have the whole story about the ODST's coming down on their drop pods, if they weren't even giong to be shown in Halo? Besides, Master Chief Got an armor upgrade. Why couldn't the marines?


The marines that are in the game are just normal marines. A couple of things point me to this. First off, Sergeant Johnson is a normal marine, and all the other marines in the game look just like him (except for the cap). Secondly, we can tell from the 2003 E3 video that the marines still have normal uniforms, and the ODSTs (their the ones in the drop ship with the MC) have fully intergrated armored suit (combat skin). Thirdly, yes the MC gets an armor upgrade, but that is after the events on Halo. It's not even in the books. This upgrade doesn't happen untill Halo 2.


-Eagle 117









[Edited on 7/19/2004 3:53:19 PM]

  • 07.19.2004 6:27 AM PDT
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humans arent forerunner. thats just stupid.bungie woud never ruin the game like that.

  • 07.19.2004 6:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: mojonation1487
humans arent forerunner. thats just stupid.bungie woud never ruin the game like that.


Prove it please.

  • 07.19.2004 6:38 AM PDT

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Got to say even though there may be suggestion that humans MIGHT be forerunner i would be really disappointed if its true..

The only thing that makes me think there might be a chance is that the spartans instinctively understand forerunner technology.

But i hope i'm wrong..

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Posted by: mojonation1487
humans arent forerunner. thats just stupid.bungie woud never ruin the game like that.


Prove it please.


prove what?

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Chaplain, as much as you want to convince me and others of your theory, I'm afraid its not exactly possible. While the books and game give a good amoutn of evidence it doesnt quite cover the whole issue so untill Halo 2 comes out I'm nbot convinced on anything.

Also, about the issue of ODSTs beign confused with Marines, well they are not. They ARE Marines. "'Helljumpers' --- the infamous 105th"- FoR. 105th is presumably their Company, and whiel they do a different job and wear a full combat armor, they are still volunteer Marines.

Oh, and Eagle you said you were preparing another big thing for us. Did I miss it? :(

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Posted by: mojonation1487
Posted by: BAHhahaDie
Posted by: mojonation1487
humans arent forerunner. thats just stupid.bungie woud never ruin the game like that.


Prove it please.


prove what?


That they are not FRs.

  • 07.19.2004 9:02 AM PDT

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Hmm just thought something, surely cortana would have found out who the forerunners are with all that "glorious" halo info.. I know she hasnt processed all of it yet but surely she'd have spotted something.

  • 07.19.2004 9:09 AM PDT
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hey Chaplain and S111 why dont u guys just fukin publish a fukin book titled "on the origin of species"? o wait that ones taken... anyway u guys need to fukin stop spaming or u will be baned

  • 07.19.2004 9:10 AM PDT
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hey soviet hunter why dont you get hit by a truck?

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Definition of Reclaimer:

A default name given to the person currently attempting to activate halo. If I was on halo walking around the library, 343 GS might as well have chosen me as the Reclaimer.

  • 07.19.2004 10:35 AM PDT
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Only if he thought u would bash flood around

  • 07.19.2004 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Morguile
Oh, and Eagle you said you were preparing another big thing for us. Did I miss it? :(



No, you didn't miss it.

It's taking a lot longer than I anticipated to write the thing. Plus, I've been having to work more than usual lately. The only time I've really had to work on it is late at night. I've just finished writing up the evidence from the books, which alone (not including the theory) is 6 pages long in Word Perfect. All I have left to do is write out the actual theory section. I don't know how I'm going to make it fit in a thread. The theory I've got going right now took up all 10,000 chars, and the new one I'm working on is at least twice as big. I'll probablly have to dumb it down, and take a lot of the evidence out so that people will want to read it. I'll hopefully be finished with this new theory within the week, depending on how much I work:)

-Eagle 117

[Edited on 7/19/2004 1:21:25 PM]

  • 07.19.2004 12:38 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Well you could just post it all, just make posts under the inital thread if you want...

Achilles

  • 07.19.2004 1:19 PM PDT
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your theory is bullcrap you "ninja" retard.

  • 07.19.2004 1:23 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Evidence.... Still Not Proof...

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I don't want to get too in depth and start contradicting my insight that this is only a game and the plots don't go that far in, but Zuka Zammamee, when talking to the prophets on one occasion, said something about his armor, and the shields and those things, coming directly from the forerunners. They were having a conversation about the shields that Master Chief has, and speculating weather or not it was better than the Jackal's wrist shield. He sounded concerned about the human shields being better. And asked something to the affect of: "Didn't the Forerunner themselves give us this armor and technology?" To the best of my knowledge and memory (Which is extremely good, I read this book about a year ago.) there was no substantial reply to what Zuka inquired. Meaning that they may not have given the Covenant those supplies, and maybe the prophets are using this war for their own advantage...


I thought I had already pointed this out to you, Chaplain, in a different post... Its not Zamamee that says the bold-faced quote... at least I'm pretty sure it isn't. From my memory, it goes like this:

Zamamee: "The human's armor may even be superior to ours."

Prophet: "Careful, Zamamee. [b]The technology in your battlesuit comes straigh from the Forerunners.[b] To say that it is in any way inferior is heresy."

The quotes are not exact (I'm pretty sure the Prophet didn't actually say "Forerunners," since at that part of the book, "Forerunners" was never stated, and it wouldn't be until the Master Chief gets to the Control Room, I think), I know that much (I don't have the book anymore, so I can't check it).... and I may be wrong. I'll ask someone else to double check that for me.

And Centrifugal Force is more common sense than anything... I'm sure the Covenant used it before they mastered their artificial crap... And you said Halo uses a gravity field that keeps it spinning, right? Perhaps it generates that gravity field... I only say that because you said (and I think the book said) a gravity field, whereas if it was talking about the natural gravity fields made by Threshold and/or Basis, it could've said the gravity field(s)...

Also, I'm sure there are many planets with oxygen-nitrogen rich atmospheres and Earth-like gravity in the universe.... Reach and Sigma Octanus IV were probably 2 of them, since it never stated, anywhere, that people had a hard time breathing or walking normally.

And in conclusion, The main base and background in "First Strike" is, when the spartans and Dr. Halsey are looking for the forerunner artifact. And Dr. Halsey tells Kelly to use her sense, to find where they (The forerunner) placed it. So Kelly, uses her Human senses, to find it. See what I'm getting at? In other words, Kelly had to have thought like a forerunner, and in order to do that, it'd be easier if you were forerunner. This isn't an uncommon thing for writers to do, it's called "Foreshadowing" and I think Eric Nylund was perhaps foreshadowing right there, that the Humans are in fact the Forerunner.

Please show me in First Strike (quotes are preferable, since I no longer have that book either) where it says something like that... I don't remember reading it.

Can't think too much more on this right now... my mind isn't working well... More later.

  • 07.19.2004 1:48 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Evidence.

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

your theory is bullcrap you "ninja" retard.

.... Grow up. You'll only start a flamewar, and I think we've seen enough of those in Chaplain's other posts (no offense, Chaplain).

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Yeah I just ignore them now. No use in replying to it, I'm getting First Strike right now lol, I'm headed to the book store to pick it up, so I can pwn you guys lol.

  • 07.19.2004 2:25 PM PDT
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i alwas back yo up chapin but the covesation of the fore giveind HIM ARMOR NEVER HAPED BLAM IT HE told aprophet MC's armor was beter then thier own FORE AROMER OUT LINED HIS ARMOR GET IT STRAIGHT

  • 07.19.2004 2:26 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

<Shakes head>

There's nothing to get straight, SPEC OPS Elite 7. I know all of that. Zamamee said the Master Chief's armor was better, and the Prophet snapped at him for it. And its not "Fore armor." Its armor adapted from Forerunner technology.

And please, try to put some punctuation in your posts, and stop yelling.

  • 07.19.2004 2:49 PM PDT
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Here's the deal, I may get he bok today, I may die today, who knows, my mom is being, her normal self. (Which is bad news.) I'll hopefully get the bok today, finish it sometime, and get back to you, but right now I'll have to go with what I have right now.

  • 07.19.2004 3:19 PM PDT
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I'm copying this over from one of Chaplain's other threads where it seemed to get lost in the mass-flaming at the end. I'll restate right now, these are just MY interpretations of some of the events, but its something to think about.

Ok, here goes....

Yes, I am new to the forums, BUT, I have been playing Halo since it came out, and I am re-reading the books for the 3rd time right now.

While I am not going to state one way or another what my opinion on the subject of humans as forerunners is, I have some problems with some of the arguements on BOTH sides.

Now, these are not FACTS, they are my opinions based upon my gameplay and what I've read.

I'm not going to go back through the entire thread and quote everything but I will try to divide it up by who said it.

Chaplain-
I'm not starting with you to pick on you, but I have a few problems with your arguement.

1. "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." Yes, 343GS says this. But, if my recollection of grammer in the english language is correct, (NOTE: I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic, and no my grammer is definitely not perfect) GS is not saying "Human history," but rather posing a question: He seems to be asking if that is human history. This does not, in my opinion mean that he knows about humans, he is asking for confirmation. Showing an interest in human history is more likely an effect of being an AI with too much curiosity.

2. The subject of Reclaimers and 'the other race' (covenant). This applies to more people than just Chap. From GS's usage of the term Reclaimer, I believe that he is using it as a generic title that he was programmed to give to whomever he chooses to retreive the Index. Because 'the other race' (covies) unleashed the Flood, GS probably felt they would not be suitable Reclaimers. So he started with the Marine, who failed, so GS looked for a more powerful entity (MC). However, if the Humans had released the Flood, I am of the opinion that GS would have collected covies as Reclaimers, not humans. The context of all of GS's conversations makes me believe that he feels the Reclaimer is not a race or a single identity, but rather a....(I don't know what word I'm looking for here, but I'm trying to say that its sorta like a rebirth thing, when one Reclaimer dies, another one is created to take its place etc..).

3.As for the "oxygen-nitrogen based atmosphere an earth normal gravity" It just so happens that most of the covies need similar if not identical conditions to survive. Only the Grunts as far as I can tell require a different sort of atmosphere (methane based). And at this point, we don't know how many other races are in the covenant, let alone how many they may have killed off, or that have just gone extinct for whatever reason. Based on this we don't know anthing about their physiology so we can't tell if only Humans are best fitted for the Ring World. We don't even know if all of the Halos (however many there are) have the same atmospheric and gravitational conditions.

The Other People on the Otherside of the arguement-
I have not yet had the time to go to the other threads or I would know more about your theories. One fact though that I saw mentioned, I kinda had a problem with.
1.Combat Skin. If GS has never met humans before, he would not know what their base phsyiology was. This means that even if the marine was buck-naked, he may have refered to a combat skin.

Now, I hope that I have been civil enough that I don't get flamed straight off, and once again, these are only my opinions based upon my knowledge of all things Halo. That being said, I would love to hear back from all parties involved, and anyone else with a VALID point, no matter how much evidence they have to back it up.

And Finally, I just want to point out, as many other people already have, that anything and everything we say here is nothing more than theory, and unless some lucky sod has gotten his / her hands on an official script, we won't know anything FOR SURE until the magical date of NOV 9th. :)

  • 07.19.2004 3:25 PM PDT