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And in conclusion, The main base and background in "First Strike" is, when the spartans and Dr. Halsey are looking for the forerunner artifact. And Dr. Halsey tells Kelly to use her sense, to find where they (The forerunner) placed it. So Kelly, uses her Human senses, to find it. See what I'm getting at? In other words, Kelly had to have thought like a forerunner, and in order to do that, it'd be easier if you were forerunner. This isn't an uncommon thing for writers to do, it's called "Foreshadowing" and I think Eric Nylund was perhaps foreshadowing right there, that the Humans are in fact the Forerunner.

As much as I can remember, I can go back and look but I'm to lazy, one of the Spartans (forget) touches a Forerunner symbol and it cuts the Spartans hand, thus making it bleed. And after the blood touches the symbol, all the lights and stuff get activated, leading them to the artifact that the Covie's are looking for.

  • 07.19.2004 3:29 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Evidence.

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For being new to the forums, Ronik2k2, you bring up some points I've never seen... Which is a rare thing, really. Kudos.

No one flame him/her. He made it clear that it was only his opinion, and wasn't trying to force it onto others' beliefs.

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  • 07.19.2004 3:34 PM PDT
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Hey, im about to leave, and wanted to add to this little calobo theroy. I dont have time to read all that was said, so if im repeating somthin, i apologize.
Now if you take into effect the things mankind has done thus far, i believe the creation of halo is not quite far fetched. We have created wepons of mass destruction before, I.E. nuclear weapons. That along with seeking answers to all the mysteries of the universe. Now had we actually been forerunner, We would be sitting on a board of unimaginable power. Searching for things to comsume our intellect. Playing with life its self. One of these experiments could of yeilded the flood. Intriqued by its potential as an biological weapon, But not blind to its danger. So we created a place to test and study the flood. Like a gigantic petrea dish, or like testing nucks in desolate abandon spots. But we also made fail safe's, in case they ever became a threat to life in the universe, froget about us. The only life to ever exzist again would be the flood, they would consume all. Like 343 said, "halo was specifically designed to stdy and contain the flood". He also said " If the flood were alowed to leave this installation, they would consume all". So we played with death, took a gamble and lost it. But we laid the seed for us to rise again. I.E. the whole dna spittle you said before. Now to the prophets, The prophets could of very well been around in the time of the forerunner, and were jealouse of our intellect. But more likely, they happened to eveolve on a planet wich the forerunner previously inhabbited. And when halo actvated it whiped out the life on it, but not permanantly. So eventually intelligent life spawned thier, and happened upon all the information and power laid therin. Librarys, shipyards, and undoubtably pictures and videos, of the residents. Thats all i have time for finish later. bye.

  • 07.19.2004 3:37 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Evidence.... Still Not Proof...

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As much as I can remember, I can go back and look but I'm to lazy, one of the Spartans (forget) touches a Forerunner symbol and it cuts the Spartans hand, thus making it bleed. And after the blood touches the symbol, all the lights and stuff get activated, leading them to the artifact that the Covie's are looking for.

I had thought that the Spartan, Fred, had merely burned his finger after touching the glowing symbol... Good point about the blood stuff...

More evidence of Spartans being much more than they seem (like the whole Forerunner/Covenant symbol recognition and such).... I don't think it goes to other humans, though, since that has never been said in the books

  • 07.19.2004 3:40 PM PDT
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A very intesting theory and not a bad one at all tmone17. I like it. I think everyone who has read these theories have a pretty good guess on what the real plot is. Sorry Bungie.

  • 07.19.2004 3:42 PM PDT
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I had thought that the Spartan, Fred, had merely burned his finger after touching the glowing symbol... Good point about the blood stuff...

More evidence of Spartans being much more than they seem (like the whole Forerunner/Covenant symbol recognition and such).... I don't think it goes to other humans, though, since that has never been said in the books[/quote]

When i read it the second time, recently, I reread that part over and was very interested in that part. If we find out in the game that the humans are forerunners, I will still be surprised and excited.

  • 07.19.2004 3:45 PM PDT
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(p.241 TF) "with nothing to feed on and nowhere to go, the Flood lay dormant for over a hundred thousand years." Dormant doesn't mean that there were stock piles of food for the Flood to feed on. It means: "Lying asleep with development suspended; not growing.

Right… I realized this too late. But, why would you keep something dormant (Kind of like Cryogenically frozen) if your entire race is going to be dead. Unless you knew you‘d still be able to live on.

"Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?" Your right in saying that we don't know the method of Halo's destruction. However, using this statement from 343 GS, we can tell that the galaxy would cease to have sentient life after the Halos were activated.


Hell, I just realized something 343 said. “But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life,” He talks about it, as if the others haven’t even followed suit yet.

The marines that are in the game are just normal marines. A couple of things point me to this. First off, Sergeant Johnson is a normal marine, and all the other marines in the game look just like him (except for the cap). Secondly, we can tell from the 2003 E3 video that the marines still have normal uniforms, and the ODSTs (their the ones in the drop ship with the MC) have fully integrated armored suit (combat skin). Thirdly, yes the MC gets an armor upgrade, but that is after the events on Halo. It's not even in the books. This upgrade doesn't happen until Halo 2.

Understood, but it does revolve around opinion.

Got to say even though there may be suggestion that humans MIGHT be forerunner i would be really disappointed if its true..

Why would you be disappointed? Nothing to be disappointed about…

Chaplain, as much as you want to convince me and others of your theory, I'm afraid its not exactly possible.

I don’t care if I convince anybody. I want the flames to stop, and if people see that I’m right, they will.

Hmm just thought something, surely Cortana would have found out who the forerunners are with all that "glorious" halo info.. I know she hasn’t processed all of it yet but surely she'd have spotted something.

No she wouldn’t necessarily. Why would you build a car with your buddies and then carve “Made by the human race” onto it? Plus, there may not even be a “history” section, it could all be just info about the flood and what the Halo does.

Definition of Reclaimer:

A default name given to the person currently attempting to activate halo. If I was on halo walking around the library, 343 GS might as well have chosen me as the Reclaimer.


By the way, I’ve already defined “Reclaimer,” and that’s not it, also, you have to be the owner of the thing being reclaimed. You put it just a little bit out of context.

hey Chaplain and S111 why dont u guys just fukin publish a fukin book titled "on the origin of species"? o wait that ones taken... anyway u guys need to fukin stop spaming or u will be baned

Good point, I’ll take you up on that offer… D!C|<

your theory is bullcrap you "ninja" retard.

Well that’s funny, not even Eagle thinks that.

Also, I'm sure there are many planets with oxygen-nitrogen rich atmospheres and Earth-like gravity in the universe.... Reach and Sigma Octanus IV were probably 2 of them, since it never stated, anywhere, that people had a hard time breathing or walking normally.

But it does resemble Earth normal gravity and conditions, which is evidence, and I’m going to use every bit of evidence possible. :Þ And….. About the rest of your post, I’d like to see page numbers (Not that I don’t believe you and I know you don’t have the books anymore…) But you know what I mean, I can’t just take your word for it, because well, you’re admitting even to the fact that it could be wrong, plus your on the opposing side as me. : ( lol.

And thank you Desolator, for that added bit of evidence at the top of page 3. It makes complete sense.

And I JUST read at the top of this page about Fred "donating" a DNA Sample and it accepting it... That's exactly why I want to get First strike, I'm sure there's plenty of information just like that in there.

  • 07.19.2004 3:48 PM PDT

Did you get the book?

  • 07.19.2004 3:55 PM PDT
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I think I might end up getting it today.

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  • 07.19.2004 4:01 PM PDT

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Do you have The Flood, Chaplain? If so, is it possible that you could find that section and look it up for me? If not, then I'll try to get the book back as soon as possible... But I think it was towards the beginning of the book, when Zamamee first tries to get the Prophet to acknowledge his self-imposed mission to kill the Master Chief.... It would probably be in the chapters entitled Halo or Truth and Reconciliation (remember, Chapters, not levels).

And I completely understand why you cannot take my word for it. If I was in your position, neither would I.

And, in reply to your reply of my reply, I'll say that there's probably many planets that resemble Earth, in terms of geographic features (continents/oceans/rivers/mountains).... Reach and Sigma Octanus IV being two of them, possibly (although, I'll admit, it never said anything about oceans... But "Cote d'Azure" on Sigma Octanus IV hints at a coast, does it not?)... But you're right, the fact that it is that way shows something... not necessarily that Forerunners are human... but more like what there living requirements were.

  • 07.19.2004 4:14 PM PDT
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I do have the flood and I'll try to find it, (Might take me a while.) And It's looking like around a 75% chance I'll be getting the book today. YAY.. lol. But I'll look for it right now.

  • 07.19.2004 4:18 PM PDT

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75% Chance is a good thing. I hope you get it... there's many things in there that can help/destroy your theory.


I tell ya.... this is the LAST time I let someone borrow my books! I know they're done with them, but I still don't have them!

  • 07.19.2004 4:49 PM PDT
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I can go look for it if you want, I'm REALLY bored. And I plan on re-reading the first two soon. And what was your question Shai?

  • 07.19.2004 5:05 PM PDT

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.... What question?

  • 07.19.2004 5:10 PM PDT
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The question you were asking Chaplin. You were asking him something right?

  • 07.19.2004 5:11 PM PDT
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u know maybe the humans ( if they were the Forerunners) just built Halo ( or Halo's ) to contain the Flood. u know maybe they were having a war with the Flood and built the Halo(s) to stop them from destroying all living beings in the universe. and then they built the weapon in Halo to destroy all the universe so if the Flood ever managed to get out of Halo then they would hav nothing to feed on. and if indeed the Flood did get out but the Halo weapon wasnt activated they'd still destroy everything so maybe thats why the Forerunners made that weapon to destroy everything. So this was kind've a answer to what that one guy said( forgot his name) who asked u a question Sill u know" Why would the humans build a weapon of their own demise" or watever he said. Also, I wonder if the Humans really were the Forerunners. Because if they were and some how the Covenant found out, they'd be at peace because the Covenant think the Forerunners are their gods ( i think). Maybe thats how Halo 2 ends. But it'd be much cooler to have all the Covenants dead.

  • 07.19.2004 5:19 PM PDT

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oh my gosh earth could be a forruner installation thats immune to halo's effect that is why earth is the only planet that we know of that has a perfect atomosphere and a perfect environment for life......just like halo i think we will find out that we built earth to save ourselves from halos deteonation to kill a accidental release of the flood. Then we somehow got affected by it like there was only a few people on earth and it hadnt yet been all the way settled for humans then bang the halos went off destroying all what was left of the old us then over the years the storys of our history became legends and that faded away.

  • 07.19.2004 5:22 PM PDT

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Unless you believe in Titan A.E.'s aproach to things, you cannot build planets. You can build planet-like installations... but not planets.

And your "theory" isn't based on much, Tex Mex Matt... Try to find some stuffing to support it.

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  • 07.19.2004 5:25 PM PDT

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The question you were asking Chaplin. You were asking him something right?

Well, I asked him to look up the specifics on the first conversation between Zuka 'Zamamee and the Prophet in The Flood.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to something else.

  • 07.19.2004 5:26 PM PDT
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I also was curious about this subject so i decided to read the Halo series to try to figure out what exactly the forerunner were but it really didnt have that much info but i was addicted to the book so really it didnt matter that there was no info. I regret that i didnt know more about the forerunner but im glad you brought this up.

  • 07.19.2004 5:28 PM PDT

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There's virtually no info on the Forerunner at all... just hints, and your own thoughts.






.... Damn, another person who uses this avatar!

  • 07.19.2004 5:38 PM PDT
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heeheeehee. I have the same name as him.

I thought that forerunners were a type of car.

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  • 07.19.2004 5:47 PM PDT

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  • 07.19.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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Umm how can 2 ppl have the same name? O-o

  • 07.19.2004 7:35 PM PDT
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Ok all this info is all good and great,but where the hell did the flood come from,was it a human mistake or did it come from earth,(maybe in halo 2 we will find out).

  • 07.19.2004 8:02 PM PDT