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Subject: Something necessary to note regarding time travel arguements, etc.

You fired a halo ring.

Why do people ignore this so much? The truth is, all we know about these is that they essentially wipe out life in the universe. That being said, considering there's the whole theme about "shield and sword" in halo (see cortona's messages or the halo insignia thingy) couldn't there be a shield to this crazy sword called halo?

Granted, that last bit is pure speculation, but my main point is the prior.

Guys, Halo was fired, even though it collapsed. Time travel isn't crazy to imagine. While the attack obviously couldn't sustain itself, whose to say any secondary functions couldn't either?

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Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
You fired a halo ring.

Why do people ignore this so much? The truth is, all we know about these is that they essentially wipe out life in the universe. That being said, considering there's the whole theme about "shield and sword" in halo (see cortona's messages or the halo insignia thingy) couldn't there be a shield to this crazy sword called halo?

Granted, that last bit is pure speculation, but my main point is the prior.

Guys, Halo was fired, even though it collapsed. Time travel isn't crazy to imagine. While the attack obviously couldn't sustain itself, whose to say any secondary functions couldn't either?

When has time travel ever been insinuated to be a "secondary function" of a Halo ring?

There is nothing in halo canon (with the exception of I Love Bees, which, again, has conflicting reports on whether it actually is canonical in its entirety, or even at all), that ever brings time travel into question.

To further the unlikelihood of time travel, Staten himself has actively stated that time travel is a corny plot device, and it has no place in the Halo franchise.

There is no evidence to back any of the time travel theories. Imagining is one thing. Suggesting, or worse, asserting that time travel is an explanation to the Legendary Ending with absolutely no foundation for the claim is crazy, annoying, and relatively stupid deduction.

  • 06.20.2009 12:46 AM PDT

I'm not necessarily implying time travel, but wouldn't it make sense that the forerunners would have wanted to you know, live? Why would they just want to kill everything?

The fact that halo's destruction capabailtieis are its only capabilities hasn't ever been told and it definately makes sense that there would be some defense for them. And hell, afterall, the halos were obviously built to sustain life. They're not just a weapon.

And doesn't that speak volumes? Why are there things on the halos in order to maintain life if the purpose of these things are to destroy stuff? Perhaps the forerunners would want to house their people there in order so that when they fire the ring they can be safe.

Hell, what if the purpose of the rings isn't to wipe out life in the universe but instead is to perform another function and the wipeout of life is a side effect? Why would they need 7? (although this could relate to travel and in case one gets destroyed, etc.)

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the ring wasn't done, it was a very small bast, pay attention to the story

  • 06.20.2009 12:53 AM PDT

Posted by: ArchedThunder
the ring wasn't done, it was a very small bast, pay attention to the story

so? >.<
What does that matter? I mentioned that. That's why the ring obviously wasn't very destructive. However, going by what I said, perhaps the point of the ring is to teleport to location/time X. And unfinshed ring could not transport itself. However, an unfinished one could still leave a nice hole in space time.

You're talking to a huge sci-fi geek by the way.


-- Anyway, I guess the main point I'm saying is that truth be told, we don't know what the rings true functions are, only that they're very destructive when fired.
For the record, I'm actually against the idea of time travel. However, I'm not against the idea of the rings doing other funcions that what they thought.

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Why would it speak volumes? We already know why the Halos sustain life. The Forerunner used at least two of the seven halos as research facilities dealing with contained Flood. The other Halos may or may not sustain life, but it would be safe to assume that they do, and that they sustain life for that exact same purpose, so the Forerunner could populate it and carry out their research / experiments.

Furthermore, there is a defense against the Halo array, one that doesn't take a crackpot theory to explain. One that has appeared canonically three times (Ghosts of Onyx, IRIS, and Halo 3 Terminals), and that'd be the Shield Worlds. Those were the safe havens designed to shield the Forerunner from the firing of the Halos, but it is assumed that they, for some reason, did not make it there in time.

There has never ever been any reason to assume that the Halos had any other major function that what we've been told, let alone time travel.

How can you purport that the Halos were not meant to do what their core function has very clearly been explained to do throughout the entirety of the novels as well as the games? A side-effect? You've got to be kidding. And it is very likely that there were seven rings placed throughout the galaxy in order to maximize their effective range.

You're suggesting things that just don't make any sense, and with absolutely no reason to be doing so. This discussion is exactly like the ones I'm talking about. I could form a hypothesis about a killer space waffle being the true Flood intelligence form and it would have just as much merit as these inklings at time travel, as well as some of your more ridiculous suggestions such as Halos not being designed as weapons...

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  • 06.20.2009 1:04 AM PDT

And your shield world thing is essentially what I was pretty much getting at in a way. Seperate things though. So yea, okay. Chances are they'd be weapons then.

But my reasoning if those didn't exist would be valid I say. Because wiping out everything, yourself included, makes no sense.

Yea, okay. Nothing now. Keep in mind this was never a crazy theory, just a point out thing, which was of course had me pointed away when you said about those worlds.

The only thing I could say further is that fact that a collapse in a mass like that could potentially cause a worm hole in space, but ahh.... that's not really dealling with this topic now.

  • 06.20.2009 1:10 AM PDT