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Subject: Theory/ Proof That Sierra 259 isn't Malcolm or a Spartan

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Quote taken from the Spartan 259? topic by TheCyberFreakSierra 259 means Spartan 2, 059. That's Malcolm-059.

John-117 has referred to himself as 117, but never 2-117. According to this theory she would be a Spartan 3? This is unlikely.
Additionally, that person on FLEETCOM say there are Spartans on the ground. Malcolm was at Reach and he made it to the ground but only as a smear across the surface of the planet. Malcolm died on impact when dropping onto the surface of Reach.


Ok lets point out flaws in your logic.
In the trailer this voice in question says " This is Sierra 259, you got Spartans on the ground sir, were not going anywhere".... So people are saying Malcolm dropped to the surface of Reach, died on impact, then stated his ID tag, NOT possible therefore its not Malcolm.

Who decided that Sierra = Spartan?? Exactly, Im sure people are familiar with the Military Phonetic Alphabet code :
A: Alpha
B: Bravo
C: Charlie
D: Delta
E: Echo
F: Foxtrot
G: Golf
H: Hotel
I: India
J: Juliet
K: Kilo
L: Lima
M: Mike
N: November
O: Oscar
P: Papa
Q: Quebec
R: Romeo
S: Sierra
T: Tango
U: Uniform
V: Victor
W: Whiskey
X: X-Ray
Y: Yankee
Z: Zulu

1: Wun
2: Too
3: Tree
4: Fower
5: Fife
6: Siks
7: Seven
8: Ait
9: Niner
0: Zeero

Yes people, Sierra = S not spartan.
Sure Spartan start with s, but sierra in military talk is purely for ID and code purposes, S could cover everything from a Vehicles ID to an individual marines ID, its main purpose is so that they don't confuse the letter s with say e, because over radio transmission you get static interference making it hard to hear whats been said. So when they hear Sierra, they (being the people on the other end of the radio ) know they're are referring to the letter S.

And let me break down what i think is meant in that radio transmission:
"This is Sierra 259..."

marine stating his ID over the radio com

"... you got Spartans on the ground, sir"

Marine stating that the Spartans have landed (dropped) on the battlefield

"... we're not going anywhere."

Marine stating that his reinforcements (Spartans) have arrived and that they are ready to kick some covie ass.

The Spartans were probably dropped in as reinforcements to help protect a certain location which could be what they were referring to with the Winter Contingency..

" Winter Contingency has been declared, all units are mobilized and ready"

then its followed by another Sierra

" this is Sierra 320, prep'd for combat insertion"

Now that to me sounds like a Spartan but then I'm turned off by the fact that Master Chief never through out Halo 1,2 and 3 referred to himself as Sierra 117, it was always " This is Spartan 117..." only over radio was he referred to as Sierra but that was never direct to him that was always to either Miranda Keyes or Lord Hood, and then again at the end of Halo to when MC was on the Forerunner Ship with Truth and they had Exited Slip-space he said

" This is Spartan 117, can anybody read me?"

Lord Hood

" Master Chief? Mind telling me what your doing on that ship?'

Chief

"Sir! Finishing this Fight!"

So clearly they have no problem saying Spartan or Master Chief over the radio, so then why would they say they are Sierra when all they need to say is Spartan or Master Chief whatever.

And so that all means that Sierra 259, = the ID tag of S259 (whom ever it is)
it doesn't mean Spartan Class 2 0-59, that's too complicated

  • 06.20.2009 7:33 AM PDT

Very good.

  • 06.20.2009 7:38 AM PDT

At the beginning of Halo 3, the Chief is referred to as Sierra-117. "S" is the first letter of Spartan (in case you hadn't realised). It's code.

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  • 06.20.2009 7:44 AM PDT

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They call the Spartans Sierra because Spartan starts with S.

  • 06.20.2009 7:45 AM PDT

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This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

The way he says "we" means he's one of the Spartans on the ground that isn't going anywhere (Team Beta?)

  • 06.20.2009 7:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

The way he says "we" means he's one of the Spartans on the ground that isn't going anywhere (Team Beta?)


Good point

  • 06.20.2009 7:50 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

At the beginning of Halo 3, the Chief is referred to as Sierra-117. "S" is the first letter of Spartan (in case you hadn't realised). It's code.
ok you need to read whats written, not skim. i mentioned that but not like you put it.

When Miranda asks if Sierra 117 was on board, yes she was referring to the chief but that would have only been because they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to intercept that particular radio trasmission so used the code Sierra 117 as another way of identifying the Chief.

Because they were under the impression that the Covenant didn't know Master Chief was back on Earth or alive which later on in the same cinematic turned out to be wrong, when Truth spoke of the Chief and Chief asked if Truth usually mentions him in his speeches.

Hope that clears a little up

  • 06.20.2009 7:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
At the beginning of Halo 3, the Chief is referred to as Sierra-117. "S" is the first letter of Spartan (in case you hadn't realised). It's code.
ok you need to read whats written, not skim. i mentioned that but not like you put it.

When Miranda asks if Sierra 117 was on board, yes she was referring to the chief but that would have only been because they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to intercept that particular radio trasmission so used the code Sierra 117 as another way of identifying the Chief.

Because they were under the impression that the Covenant didn't know Master Chief was back on Earth or alive which later on in the same cinematic turned out to be wrong, when Truth spoke of the Chief and Chief asked if Truth usually mentions him in his speeches.

Hope that clears a little up


But they say Sierra SPECIFICALLY because Spartan starts with S.

  • 06.20.2009 8:03 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
At the beginning of Halo 3, the Chief is referred to as Sierra-117. "S" is the first letter of Spartan (in case you hadn't realised). It's code.
ok you need to read whats written, not skim. i mentioned that but not like you put it.

When Miranda asks if Sierra 117 was on board, yes she was referring to the chief but that would have only been because they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to intercept that particular radio trasmission so used the code Sierra 117 as another way of identifying the Chief.

Because they were under the impression that the Covenant didn't know Master Chief was back on Earth or alive which later on in the same cinematic turned out to be wrong, when Truth spoke of the Chief and Chief asked if Truth usually mentions him in his speeches.

Hope that clears a little up


But they say Sierra SPECIFICALLY because Spartan starts with S.
But they obviously have no problem saying Spartan or Master Chief over radio so why all of a sudden refer to them as Sierra??

  • 06.20.2009 8:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
At the beginning of Halo 3, the Chief is referred to as Sierra-117. "S" is the first letter of Spartan (in case you hadn't realised). It's code.
ok you need to read whats written, not skim. i mentioned that but not like you put it.

When Miranda asks if Sierra 117 was on board, yes she was referring to the chief but that would have only been because they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to intercept that particular radio trasmission so used the code Sierra 117 as another way of identifying the Chief.

Because they were under the impression that the Covenant didn't know Master Chief was back on Earth or alive which later on in the same cinematic turned out to be wrong, when Truth spoke of the Chief and Chief asked if Truth usually mentions him in his speeches.

Hope that clears a little up


But they say Sierra SPECIFICALLY because Spartan starts with S.
But they obviously have no problem saying Spartan or Master Chief over radio so why all of a sudden refer to them as Sierra??


Bungie probably decided to start calling them Sierra. It's been a while since I read the books, but I believe that their called Sierra.

[Edited on 06.20.2009 8:08 AM PDT]

  • 06.20.2009 8:07 AM PDT

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Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)

  • 06.20.2009 8:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)


Or what he said.

  • 06.20.2009 8:09 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant had already encountered the Spartans before then so would know that there would be Spartans on Reach, just not how many Spartans would be present.

Do you know what a contingency plan is if not read this

Contingency plans are defensive options for worst case scenarios

  • 06.20.2009 8:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant had already encountered the Spartans before then so would know that there would be Spartans on Reach, just not how many Spartans would be present.

Do you know what a contingency plan is if not read this

Contingency plans are defensive options for worst case scenarios


Actually the Covenant wouldn't have a clue that the Spartans were on Reach.

  • 06.20.2009 8:26 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant had already encountered the Spartans before then so would know that there would be Spartans on Reach, just not how many Spartans would be present.

Do you know what a contingency plan is if not read this

Contingency plans are defensive options for worst case scenarios


Actually the Covenant wouldn't have a clue that the Spartans were on Reach.

They new the Spartans were humans and that Reach was a Human occupied world, so your telling me they would have completely over looked the fact and couldnt put 1 and 1 together, com on mate pull your finger out.

  • 06.20.2009 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant had already encountered the Spartans before then so would know that there would be Spartans on Reach, just not how many Spartans would be present.

Do you know what a contingency plan is if not read this

Contingency plans are defensive options for worst case scenarios


Actually the Covenant wouldn't have a clue that the Spartans were on Reach.

They new the Spartans were humans and that Reach was a Human occupied world, so your telling me they would have completely over looked the fact and couldnt put 1 and 1 together, com on mate pull your finger out.


They had gone to other human occupied planets were there weren't Spartans.

  • 06.20.2009 8:32 AM PDT
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Use some common sense. He is obviously a Spartan, probably from the 2nd class of Spartan 2's. I've said this in god knows how many threads, and am not arguing the point.

  • 06.20.2009 8:38 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant had already encountered the Spartans before then so would know that there would be Spartans on Reach, just not how many Spartans would be present.

Do you know what a contingency plan is if not read this

Contingency plans are defensive options for worst case scenarios


Actually the Covenant wouldn't have a clue that the Spartans were on Reach.

They new the Spartans were humans and that Reach was a Human occupied world, so your telling me they would have completely over looked the fact and couldnt put 1 and 1 together, com on mate pull your finger out.


They had gone to other human occupied planets were there weren't Spartans.
But eventually would have known they would run into them again, and im pretty sure they would have been expecting them on Reach. As it is one of the major human home-worlds and would have been a pretty safe bet to assume Spartans would be present.

They need a book on the Covenants point of view not UNSCs.

  • 06.20.2009 8:42 AM PDT

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The books do talk about the UNSC but they do give the view of the Covenant.

  • 06.20.2009 8:44 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

Posted by: RoyalEngineerSon
Use some common sense. He is obviously a Spartan, probably from the 2nd class of Spartan 2's. I've said this in god knows how many threads, and am not arguing the point.
then why is it said in a 1st & 3rd person context

"this is Sierra 259"

First person context

"you have Spartans on the ground, sir!"

Third person context

"Were not going anywhere"

1st person context

if all dialog was from a Spartan why would he need to talk in 3rd person??? unless he wasnt a Spartan. 3rd person is based on observation.

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Quote taken from the Spartan 259? topic by TheCyberFreakSierra 259 means Spartan 2, 059. That's Malcolm-059.

John-117 has referred to himself as 117, but never 2-117. According to this theory she would be a Spartan 3? This is unlikely.
Additionally, that person on FLEETCOM say there are Spartans on the ground. Malcolm was at Reach and he made it to the ground but only as a smear across the surface of the planet. Malcolm died on impact when dropping onto the surface of Reach.


Ok lets point out flaws in your logic.
In the trailer this voice in question says " This is Sierra 259, you got Spartans on the ground sir, were not going anywhere".... So people are saying Malcolm dropped to the surface of Reach, died on impact, then stated his ID tag, NOT possible therefore its not Malcolm.

Who decided that Sierra = Spartan?? Exactly, Im sure people are familiar with the Military Phonetic Alphabet code :
A: Alpha
B: Bravo
C: Charlie
D: Delta
E: Echo
F: Foxtrot
G: Golf
H: Hotel
I: India
J: Juliet
K: Kilo
L: Lima
M: Mike
N: November
O: Oscar
P: Papa
Q: Quebec
R: Romeo
S: Sierra
T: Tango
U: Uniform
V: Victor
W: Whiskey
X: X-Ray
Y: Yankee
Z: Zulu

1: Wun
2: Too
3: Tree
4: Fower
5: Fife
6: Siks
7: Seven
8: Ait
9: Niner
0: Zeero

Yes people, Sierra = S not spartan.
Sure Spartan start with s, but sierra in military talk is purely for ID and code purposes, S could cover everything from a Vehicles ID to an individual marines ID, its main purpose is so that they don't confuse the letter s with say e, because over radio transmission you get static interference making it hard to hear whats been said. So when they hear Sierra, they (being the people on the other end of the radio ) know they're are referring to the letter S.

And let me break down what i think is meant in that radio transmission:
"This is Sierra 259..."

marine stating his ID over the radio com

"... you got Spartans on the ground, sir"

Marine stating that the Spartans have landed (dropped) on the battlefield

"... we're not going anywhere."

Marine stating that his reinforcements (Spartans) have arrived and that they are ready to kick some covie ass.

The Spartans were probably dropped in as reinforcements to help protect a certain location which could be what they were referring to with the Winter Contingency..

" Winter Contingency has been declared, all units are mobilized and ready"

then its followed by another Sierra

" this is Sierra 320, prep'd for combat insertion"

Now that to me sounds like a Spartan but then I'm turned off by the fact that Master Chief never through out Halo 1,2 and 3 referred to himself as Sierra 117, it was always " This is Spartan 117..." only over radio was he referred to as Sierra but that was never direct to him that was always to either Miranda Keyes or Lord Hood, and then again at the end of Halo to when MC was on the Forerunner Ship with Truth and they had Exited Slip-space he said

" This is Spartan 117, can anybody read me?"

Lord Hood

" Master Chief? Mind telling me what your doing on that ship?'

Chief

"Sir! Finishing this Fight!"

So clearly they have no problem saying Spartan or Master Chief over the radio, so then why would they say they are Sierra when all they need to say is Spartan or Master Chief whatever.

And so that all means that Sierra 259, = the ID tag of S259 (whom ever it is)
it doesn't mean Spartan Class 2 0-59, that's too complicated


You are wrong they all go by sierra for SPARTAN!!!! You need to know you can't just come up with this stupid idea and think it will get pinned or something like that. If you believe him then I feel bad for you.

  • 06.20.2009 8:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: RoyalEngineerSon
Use some common sense. He is obviously a Spartan, probably from the 2nd class of Spartan 2's. I've said this in god knows how many threads, and am not arguing the point.
then why is it said in a 1st & 3rd person context

"this is Sierra 259"

First person context

"you have Spartans on the ground, sir!"

Third person context

"Were not going anywhere"

1st person context

if all dialog was from a Spartan why would he need to talk in 3rd person??? unless he wasnt a Spartan. 3rd person is based on observation.


3rd person context is used as there are multiple spartans.

  • 06.20.2009 9:05 AM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

The way he says "we" means he's one of the Spartans on the ground that isn't going anywhere (Team Beta?)


That doesn't prove anything!

It could well be as the OP said. It's a plain marine who is talking. He is informing FLEETCOM that there are Spartans on the ground. And then he is saying that he and his men (probably just 3 others) are not going anywhere because they want to help the Spartans.

There's no proof whatsoever that there is a Spartan talking.

  • 06.20.2009 9:17 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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