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Subject: Theory/ Proof That Sierra 259 isn't Malcolm or a Spartan

Posted by: MastergamerML
Honestly I think that Sierra means Spartan just because that, having read the books, a lot of the Spartans are referred to as sierra. But then again, the only reason to say it in code would be to make sure the covenet weren't able to understand that spartans have landed. But the next line: "You have Spartans on the ground" pretty much ruins any chance of the covenet not realizing that Spartans have arrived.


they use code because its easier to understand. anyone who has spelt something out over the phone knows how difficult letters like m and n are to tell apart. thats why the phonetic alphabet was invented

  • 06.27.2009 4:09 PM PDT
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Well done on the theory but I beleive Seirra is code for Spartan. Why? Becuase there is no way the Spartans would potentially reveal that they are on the ground.

  • 06.27.2009 4:37 PM PDT

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You know, the most likely reason they called him Sierra 117 in Halo 3 was because they didn't want the Covenant to know A. His Location and B. He was alive.

  • 06.27.2009 4:49 PM PDT

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in some pre-halo 3 videos they called the cheif sierra 117 when he was decending to earth and 7at the beginning he was reffered to as sierra 117

  • 06.27.2009 5:39 PM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Quote taken from the Spartan 259? topic by TheCyberFreakSierra 259 means Spartan 2, 059. That's Malcolm-059.

John-117 has referred to himself as 117, but never 2-117. According to this theory she would be a Spartan 3? This is unlikely.
Additionally, that person on FLEETCOM say there are Spartans on the ground. Malcolm was at Reach and he made it to the ground but only as a smear across the surface of the planet. Malcolm died on impact when dropping onto the surface of Reach.


Ok lets point out flaws in your logic.
In the trailer this voice in question says " This is Sierra 259, you got Spartans on the ground sir, were not going anywhere".... So people are saying Malcolm dropped to the surface of Reach, died on impact, then stated his ID tag, NOT possible therefore its not Malcolm.

Who decided that Sierra = Spartan?? Exactly, Im sure people are familiar with the Military Phonetic Alphabet code :
A: Alpha
B: Bravo
C: Charlie
D: Delta
E: Echo
F: Foxtrot
G: Golf
H: Hotel
I: India
J: Juliet
K: Kilo
L: Lima
M: Mike
N: November
O: Oscar
P: Papa
Q: Quebec
R: Romeo
S: Sierra
T: Tango
U: Uniform
V: Victor
W: Whiskey
X: X-Ray
Y: Yankee
Z: Zulu

1: Wun
2: Too
3: Tree
4: Fower
5: Fife
6: Siks
7: Seven
8: Ait
9: Niner
0: Zeero

Yes people, Sierra = S not spartan.
Sure Spartan start with s, but sierra in military talk is purely for ID and code purposes, S could cover everything from a Vehicles ID to an individual marines ID, its main purpose is so that they don't confuse the letter s with say e, because over radio transmission you get static interference making it hard to hear whats been said. So when they hear Sierra, they (being the people on the other end of the radio ) know they're are referring to the letter S.

And let me break down what i think is meant in that radio transmission:
"This is Sierra 259..."

marine stating his ID over the radio com

"... you got Spartans on the ground, sir"

Marine stating that the Spartans have landed (dropped) on the battlefield

"... we're not going anywhere."

Marine stating that his reinforcements (Spartans) have arrived and that they are ready to kick some covie ass.

The Spartans were probably dropped in as reinforcements to help protect a certain location which could be what they were referring to with the Winter Contingency..

" Winter Contingency has been declared, all units are mobilized and ready"

then its followed by another Sierra

" this is Sierra 320, prep'd for combat insertion"

Now that to me sounds like a Spartan but then I'm turned off by the fact that Master Chief never through out Halo 1,2 and 3 referred to himself as Sierra 117, it was always " This is Spartan 117..." only over radio was he referred to as Sierra but that was never direct to him that was always to either Miranda Keyes or Lord Hood, and then again at the end of Halo to when MC was on the Forerunner Ship with Truth and they had Exited Slip-space he said

" This is Spartan 117, can anybody read me?"

Lord Hood

" Master Chief? Mind telling me what your doing on that ship?'

Chief

"Sir! Finishing this Fight!"

So clearly they have no problem saying Spartan or Master Chief over the radio, so then why would they say they are Sierra when all they need to say is Spartan or Master Chief whatever.

And so that all means that Sierra 259, = the ID tag of S259 (whom ever it is)
it doesn't mean Spartan Class 2 0-59, that's too complicated

Nice list, and true that it is not confirmed that Sierra 259 and 320 are spartans. However, the Chief does refer to himself as Sierra 117 in Halo: Uprising. Halo was just the first game to use military call signs when referring to Spartan (in this case, John). So, I believe that the Characters in the Reach trailer are Spartans.

Besides, a marine saying "You've got Spartans on the ground. We're not going anywhere" really doesn't make as much sense as a Spartan saying that.

  • 07.15.2009 4:55 AM PDT

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Oops just revived a dead thread.

The level Sierra 117 in the Halo 3 campaign is named that because, Master chief is the objective.

The marines were sent out to find MC after they gave him the jump co-ordinates, as seen in the Halo Land Fall trailer.

Sierra equals S!! so that means he was saying:
"This is S-259......"

Which as you can see is just a Service Tag. To all you screaming wrong wrong WRONG!... look at it..... think about it......... read about it.

  • 07.15.2009 5:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger

it doesn't mean Spartan Class 2 0-59, that's too complicated



You must have never been inside an aircraft carrier before in search of one specific room. The military makes things complicated specifically so the enemy doesn't figure them out.

That was just a tangent though. As to the point of your post, good work.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:14 AM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:14 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Oops just revived a dead thread.

The level Sierra 117 in the Halo 3 campaign is named that because, Master chief is the objective.

The marines were sent out to find MC after they gave him the jump co-ordinates, as seen in the Halo Land Fall trailer.

Sierra equals S!! so that means he was saying:
"This is S-259......"

Which as you can see is just a Service Tag. To all you screaming wrong wrong WRONG!... look at it..... think about it......... read about it.
I do read and think about it, and S259 being a Spartan makes the most sense.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:24 AM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:23 AM PDT

Johnny Bad... etc.

think befrore right, THINK

you know why in Halo 3 they call him sierra?? because of this:

"1st Bungie employee: hey would you like to call the Chief Sierra instead of Spartan, because the marines should call him Sierra because any S is called Sierra in the military phonetic alphabet "

"2nd Bungie employee: thas good, the people will call the Chief Sierra in Halo 3"



is more easy than you thought, if you were right, then at least one person would have called the Chief Sierra in Halo CE and Halo 2, at least the marines... at least ONCE



"... we're not going anywhere."

he sayd WE and he was talking about the Spartans so he is a Spartan, besides that... his calm voice, the only ones that had a calm voice or no much expressive voice were Him and Sierra 320

like the chief... so there is a BIG FAT chance that they are spartans ,like 90%


you must have a lateral thinking, why Bungie used the Halo 3 models for the weapons and marines in Halo 3 ODST?? why Bungie put Halo 3 models in the Halo 2 era? because is a Retroactive Continuity.

Do you understand? halo have a retroactive continuity, thats why is they remake Halo 2 the Chief would be called Sierra.
This changes are made because they are new ideas, something normal in planet earth...

[Edited on 07.15.2009 5:41 AM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 5:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Councilor_117H2
Johnny Bad... etc.

think befrore right, THINK

you know why in Halo 3 they call him sierra?? because of this:

"1st Bungie employee: hey would you like to call the Chief Sierra instead of Spartan, because the marines should call him Sierra because any S is called Sierra in the military phonetic alphabet "

"2nd Bungie employee: thas good, the people will call the Chief Sierra in Halo 3"



is more easy than you thought, if you were right, then at least one person would have called the Chief Sierra in Halo CE and Halo 2, at least the marines... at least ONCE



"... we're not going anywhere."

he sayd WE and he was talking about the Spartans so he is a Spartan, besides that... his calm voice, the only ones that had a calm voice or no much expressive voice were Him and Sierra 320

like the chief... so there is a BIG FAT chance that they are spartans ,like 90%


you must have a lateral thinking, why Bungie used the Halo 3 models for the weapons and marines in Halo 3 ODST?? why Bungie put Halo 3 models in the Halo 2 era? because is a Retroactive Continuity.

Do you understand? halo have a retroactive continuity, thats why is they remake Halo 2 the Chief would be called Sierra.
This changes are made because they are new ideas, something normal in planet earth...
Hmmm i never took the time to look into the tone of his voice, which does make for a good argument. But i for one am stubborn and will not admit defeat.

But let me once more reprhase those famous last lines in the trailer.

the " We're not going anywhere "............. does it or does it not sound like back up.
The way im hear it is as if a marine, is informing FLEETCOM that his reinforcements have arrived on the battle field and that the marines now have the back up to defend their objective. Which i believe is probably the supply and power terminals for the MAC stations which are in orbit around Reach, which the Covenant ground force inevitably destroy.

Hope it clears up a little about how im thinking and looking at it.

Remember the Topic is Proof and THEORY, proof being it cant possibly be Malcolm and theory that Sierra 259 and 320 arent Spartans.

Who is (until launch) to say whether Im wrong or not??
You can just say i told you so later........or maybe i will be saying i told you so, but we'll see

  • 07.15.2009 6:22 AM PDT

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As I have said in my joke thread about how I had the real proof about who the guys in the banner are, that until Bungie gives us any info officially this is all speculation. NO ONE HERE HAS ANY REAL PROOF!

Someone makes a wack theory and calls it proof. Then everyone just believes it even though there is no PROOF. In psychology this is called MOB MENTALLITY.

Yet no matter what there will be people that will disregard the truth for lies and speculation because it hurts thier EGO to be wrong and they can't deal with the shame. It's a sign of closed mindedness and education has no bearing on this disease of the mind.

  • 07.15.2009 7:09 AM PDT

They had gone to other human occupied planets were there weren't Spartans.

But eventually would have known they would run into them again, and im pretty sure they would have been expecting them on Reach. As it is one of the major human home-worlds and would have been a pretty safe bet to assume Spartans would be present.

They need a book on the Covenants point of view not UNSCs.

Do you have a brain?

He said that they had not encountered Spartans on any other planets before and then you go and say,"But eventually would have known they would run into them again"

I have lost all hope in humanity.

  • 07.15.2009 7:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Posted by: Councilor_117H2
Johnny Bad... etc.

think befrore right, THINK

you know why in Halo 3 they call him sierra?? because of this:

"1st Bungie employee: hey would you like to call the Chief Sierra instead of Spartan, because the marines should call him Sierra because any S is called Sierra in the military phonetic alphabet "

"2nd Bungie employee: thas good, the people will call the Chief Sierra in Halo 3"



is more easy than you thought, if you were right, then at least one person would have called the Chief Sierra in Halo CE and Halo 2, at least the marines... at least ONCE



"... we're not going anywhere."

he sayd WE and he was talking about the Spartans so he is a Spartan, besides that... his calm voice, the only ones that had a calm voice or no much expressive voice were Him and Sierra 320

like the chief... so there is a BIG FAT chance that they are spartans ,like 90%


you must have a lateral thinking, why Bungie used the Halo 3 models for the weapons and marines in Halo 3 ODST?? why Bungie put Halo 3 models in the Halo 2 era? because is a Retroactive Continuity.

Do you understand? halo have a retroactive continuity, thats why is they remake Halo 2 the Chief would be called Sierra.
This changes are made because they are new ideas, something normal in planet earth...
Hmmm i never took the time to look into the tone of his voice, which does make for a good argument. But i for one am stubborn and will not admit defeat.

But let me once more reprhase those famous last lines in the trailer.

the " We're not going anywhere "............. does it or does it not sound like back up.
The way im hear it is as if a marine, is informing FLEETCOM that his reinforcements have arrived on the battle field and that the marines now have the back up to defend their objective. Which i believe is probably the supply and power terminals for the MAC stations which are in orbit around Reach, which the Covenant ground force inevitably destroy.

Hope it clears up a little about how im thinking and looking at it.

Remember the Topic is Proof and THEORY, proof being it cant possibly be Malcolm and theory that Sierra 259 and 320 arent Spartans.

Who is (until launch) to say whether Im wrong or not??
You can just say i told you so later........or maybe i will be saying i told you so, but we'll see






Is ok, I'm not saying he was malcom, I'm saying he is a Spartan, I'm open to all possibilities.
I clearly heard the trailer, and I never heard a calm marine in such a situation in the Halo universe.. nor a ODST so I think that there were 2 spartans in the trailer.
I think with what I have.
I have a 1:17 minutes trailer that is just dialogue, the strange thing about it are those 2 calm voices (that in my mind, they can only be Spartans) and because they call themselves Sierra.
It doesn't matter if the last one was Malcom, it doesn't matter if they are Spartans II, Spartans III or Spartans XVI... those 2 sound like Spartans to me.

But anyway this is just my opinion, we will have to wait for the next trailer that it should have a good information about the main characters

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

The way he says "we" means he's one of the Spartans on the ground that isn't going anywhere (Team Beta?)


This.

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So people are saying Malcolm dropped to the surface of Reach, died on impact, then stated his ID tag, NOT possible therefore its not Malcolm.

Here's another theory. Maybe it is Malcolm. He might have stated his ID tag as he was being dropped into Reach, and as he finish landed, therefore, he didn't make it, but to anyone who wasn't there, he did make it. It makes barely any sense, but here.

He states his ID tag over Public Intercom channel.
He gets dropped into Reach.
He dies of impact.
Nobody knows he is dead but the Spartans.

Sierra 259 might be Malcolm.

  • 07.15.2009 10:23 AM PDT

Halo 3: ODST, it's like this only a hell lot better.

Posted by: SeNaToR23
So people are saying Malcolm dropped to the surface of Reach, died on impact, then stated his ID tag, NOT possible therefore its not Malcolm.

Here's another theory. Maybe it is Malcolm. He might have stated his ID tag as he was being dropped into Reach, and as he finish landed, therefore, he didn't make it, but to anyone who wasn't there, he did make it. It makes barely any sense, but here.

He states his ID tag over Public Intercom channel.
He gets dropped into Reach.
He dies of impact.
Nobody knows he is dead but the Spartans.

Sierra 259 might be Malcolm.


Making a main character the first to die is a great idea. Why have a character that'll last for 5 seconds. That would be terrible for a game or any form of media, for someone essential to the plot is the one who dies when the Battle's just starting.

I don't think it's a Spartan, This thread goes into all of the history with these Spartans, and each of them are constantly disproving each others' points, all based on the service tag. They all made good points as to why they weren't Spartan II's or Spartan III's.

Sierra could mean anything, it could mean something like "Special Ops Unit" or some crap like that, not necessarily Spartans.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 11:45 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 11:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant were not entirely aware of the Spartans untill the events of Halo 1. At the same time the Master Chief is only refered to as Sierra once (The Storm) in which case he was more than likely part of a group of Marines designated as Sierra.

Spartans were never referred to as Sierra until Halo 3, which is more than likely a coincidence. I think a better theory is that S259 is a pelican number like Echo 419, and at the end of the trailer Spartan II's (possibly Team Beta) come in as reinforcements.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 11:54 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 11:50 PM PDT

Halo 3: ODST, it's like this only a hell lot better.

Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant were not entirely aware of the Spartans until the events of Halo 1. At the same time the Master Chief is only referred to as Sierra once (The Storm).


Well technically, he's referred to as Sierra 117 in the level Sierra 117.

And Sierra could be used to describe other things besides Spartans, such as anything beginning with the letter S.

  • 07.16.2009 11:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Whenever they referred to the Chief as "Sierra" it was when they wouldn't have wanted the Covenant to know they were around. When he was returning to Earth in the Forerunner ship, it wasn't an issue (he had just escaped being a POW aboard). The UNSC would probably not want the Covenant to know that they had Spartans on the surface of Reach ("Winter Contingency"?)
The Covenant were not entirely aware of the Spartans until the events of Halo 1. At the same time the Master Chief is only referred to as Sierra once (The Storm).


Well technically, he's referred to as Sierra 117 in the level Sierra 117.

And Sierra could be used to describe other things besides Spartans, such as anything beginning with the letter S.
Still though, when he calls himself "Sierra" and then announced over the radio that "Spartans are on the ground", doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of secrecy?

  • 07.17.2009 12:00 AM PDT

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This is Sierra-259. You've got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere.

He's one of the Spartans not going anywhere. But I agree that its impossible for him to be Malcolm.

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fits fwlessly with the book

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It is a spartan because I just halopediad it and it said it was a spartan

  • 07.17.2009 12:09 AM PDT

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It is a spartan because I just halopediad it and it said it was a spartan


Halopedia, as great of a source it is, doesn't know everything. In fact the only reason that they assume this is because of the one line there. Just because Halopedia says it's this doesn't mean you have to follow it.

Speaking of Halopedia, I'll copy what they said about Sierra 259 here.

Sierra-259's status as a Spartan is merely conjecture, as no official source has claimed that he is indeed a Spartan, although, it is likely that Sierra-259 is. This is because he says in the Halo: Reach trailer shown at E3, "You got SPARTANs on the ground sir," and proceeds to say, "We're not going anywhere," as if referring to him and other SPARTANs.

Again, only speculation on their part, all because of that one line. The English language is very complex, I must say, for there to be a debate on what a single line means. Here's what I have to say:

1. He addresses himself as Sierra but says Spartan, which would be very dumb considering that saying Spartans would already reveal who they were.
2. He wouldn't even need to say Sierra. The Covenant weren't fully "acquainted" with Spartans, so there would be no reason to say anything other than that.
3. The word "We". It could mean many things, such as "We [Spartans]." or "We [The people sent down here which consists of Spartans]."

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Posted by: Jumendez of Pie
1. He addresses himself as Sierra but says Spartan, which would be very dumb considering that saying Spartans would already reveal who they were.
Explanation: It would sound stupid as hell if he said This is Spartan-259. You've got Spartans on the ground.

Repitition is bad.

  • 07.17.2009 12:40 AM PDT

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