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Subject: Why forgable Fire Fight maps are possible.

So maybe this belongs in the Reach forum?

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
It won't be available for ODST, but maybe REACH. There should be two types of firefight --

Public (matchmaking, default, adds to your stats)
Private (like custom games, can tweak gameplay, and forge gameplay. does not add to stats)

  • 06.21.2009 11:05 AM PDT

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Could be on a small budget, and restricted to weapons, vehicles, and a few non-static, destructable bits of cover. Then the Covenant could play Jenga with your tower while you slowly run out of rockets.

[Edited on 06.21.2009 11:17 AM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 11:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Darkstar353
Could be on a small budget, and restricted to weapons, vehicles, and a few non-static, destructable bits of cover. Then the Covenant could play Jenga with your tower while you slowly run out of rockets.


I agree, with certain limitations, Firefight Forging would be awesome. Unfortunately, Bungie has already said that there will not be Firefight forge.

  • 06.21.2009 11:19 AM PDT

Where?

Posted by: Chocomog
Posted by: Darkstar353
Could be on a small budget, and restricted to weapons, vehicles, and a few non-static, destructable bits of cover. Then the Covenant could play Jenga with your tower while you slowly run out of rockets.


I agree, with certain limitations, Firefight Forging would be awesome. Unfortunately, Bungie has already said that there will not be Firefight forge.

  • 06.21.2009 11:21 AM PDT

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Is it really a big deal if people cheat? You can do the same in H3 custom game. Make an unbalanced game and rack up sprees and multikills. But it isn't displayed in your service record!

  • 06.21.2009 11:37 AM PDT

You can't argue about not getting achievements in a custom game. Because all Firefight is is a custom game. There is no matchmaking for Firefight.
Your logic baffles me.

  • 06.21.2009 11:47 AM PDT

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Usually I'm for options, but not this time.

1. Making the Forge and customizable maps take resources from making other stuff, like new, completely different Firefight maps.
2. In the end it would only be proficient for slight tunes. A brand different map does more to tweak the game.
3. Insane stuff gets old really fast. Not to mention there's always a limit concerning item numbers etc. AI couldn't handle the more insane Forge stuff we have.
4. Sometimes simple and fast is better. People are playing the same game.

7 maps + Forge < 14 maps

[Edited on 06.21.2009 11:54 AM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 11:53 AM PDT

Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
You can't argue about not getting achievements in a custom game. Because all Firefight is is a custom game. There is no matchmaking for Firefight.
Your logic baffles me.


Yes, because a company like Bungie can't introduce some simple coding to recognize a forged map from a non-forged map, therefore making achievements impossible to get in some cheap way. I'm sorry if I sound like a D-bag, but this guy gives you all the reasons why we could have forge in Firefight, and then everyone says, "but you could cheat". WHOOP DEE DOO! If they want to let all the covies spawn in a box while they jerk off, then let them! I don't understand why this is an issue providing you fix the achievement issue.

  • 06.21.2009 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
You guys aren't getting the point:

Short of making it really easy for yourself, you just altar you enirovment

Posted by: x MibZ x
It would be fun for a little while, but it would remove the challenge of it.

Not to mention that Forge is not available on the ODST disc, but only on the Halo 3 disc included in the case.

Sorry, just have to say that it is "Alter," not altar. An altar is something in a church.

  • 06.21.2009 12:54 PM PDT

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id make 1 way up a tower but make the tower out of destructible walls so the wraiths can break the tower and not it down

  • 06.21.2009 12:55 PM PDT

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Oh, I've got one! Bungie said no more DLC and no forge for Firefight.

What'd I win? :D

  • 06.21.2009 12:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Soulself76
Yes, because a company like Bungie can't introduce some simple coding to recognize a forged map from a non-forged map, therefore making achievements impossible to get in some cheap way. I'm sorry if I sound like a D-bag, but this guy gives you all the reasons why we could have forge in Firefight, and then everyone says, "but you could cheat". WHOOP DEE DOO! If they want to let all the covies spawn in a box while they jerk off, then let them! I don't understand why this is an issue providing you fix the achievement issue.

And to Sniper got Game, that was an honest mistake, I was suffering from jet lag when I typed the post. Sorry.

  • 06.21.2009 1:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Soulself76
Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
You can't argue about not getting achievements in a custom game. Because all Firefight is is a custom game. There is no matchmaking for Firefight.
Your logic baffles me.


Yes, because a company like Bungie can't introduce some simple coding to recognize a forged map from a non-forged map, therefore making achievements impossible to get in some cheap way. I'm sorry if I sound like a D-bag, but this guy gives you all the reasons why we could have forge in Firefight, and then everyone says, "but you could cheat". WHOOP DEE DOO! If they want to let all the covies spawn in a box while they jerk off, then let them! I don't understand why this is an issue providing you fix the achievement issue.

Of all the responses in this thread, maybe only 3 people have understood the OP's point. People can forge Sandbox so that the survivors hare unreachable on some giant tower, but it doesn't do anyone any good. It's the same here: if forgeable maps are achievement-blocked, then who cares what the survivors do, as long as they are having fun? You could be an -blam!- and block the covenant spawn, but who does that help? Nobody. It just leaves you and a couple friends running around on an empty map. Congratulations.

  • 06.21.2009 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix9508
Oh, I've got one! Bungie said no more DLC and no forge for Firefight.

What'd I win? :D

Regardless of the main focus of this discussion, this is still in effect.

  • 06.21.2009 1:06 PM PDT

I know, but maybe Bungie will see this thread and put this in Reach.

Posted by: Phoenix9508
Posted by: Phoenix9508
Oh, I've got one! Bungie said no more DLC and no forge for Firefight.

What'd I win? :D

Regardless of the main focus of this discussion, this is still in effect.

  • 06.21.2009 1:16 PM PDT

You do understand that Bungie does not develop new DLC until after the game has shipped? So if they took the time to make this work, it would not interfere with their creation of new maps.

Posted by: kalle90
Usually I'm for options, but not this time.

1. Making the Forge and customizable maps take resources from making other stuff, like new, completely different Firefight maps.
2. In the end it would only be proficient for slight tunes. A brand different map does more to tweak the game.
3. Insane stuff gets old really fast. Not to mention there's always a limit concerning item numbers etc. AI couldn't handle the more insane Forge stuff we have.
4. Sometimes simple and fast is better. People are playing the same game.

7 maps + Forge < 14 maps

  • 06.21.2009 1:18 PM PDT

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  • 06.21.2009 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
You do understand that Bungie does not develop new DLC until after the game has shipped? So if they took the time to make this work, it would not interfere with their creation of new maps.

Posted by: kalle90
Usually I'm for options, but not this time.

1. Making the Forge and customizable maps take resources from making other stuff, like new, completely different Firefight maps.
2. In the end it would only be proficient for slight tunes. A brand different map does more to tweak the game.
3. Insane stuff gets old really fast. Not to mention there's always a limit concerning item numbers etc. AI couldn't handle the more insane Forge stuff we have.
4. Sometimes simple and fast is better. People are playing the same game.

7 maps + Forge < 14 maps


Even then I rather have more amazing retail maps than Forge. Not to mention including Forge doesn't necessarily just affect the maps. It could affect campaign length, AI...

If they manage to make about 15 opening maps with great quality and variety, like HaloCE, the mode could easily last for years without Forge. In HaloCE I don't need forge because I can easily pick completely different maps with different rules.

Now if Forge could be added through DLC, no problem. I don't think I would buy it.

  • 06.21.2009 1:28 PM PDT

Posted by: joedanny96
How come Bungie can't just block off achievements for custom maps, say, If i were playing a a forged FireFight map, and I wanted to get, say, the "T-BAGATHON" achievement... Then it would be impossible to earn achievements. Like GTA 4's cheats.

P.S. I made up the "T-BAGATHON" achievement.

I want the T-BAGATHON achievement. Seriously, Forge would be an awesome idea for Firefight. Bungie could just block off achievements on a Forged map, and if someone wanted to Forge to get to wave one billion by making the map easy, let them go right a frickin head. If they want to ruin the map for themselves, let them.

  • 06.21.2009 1:32 PM PDT

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I would make a castle and have everyone spawn on top if it.

It would be fun, but only for creations that add to the maps, but will not make an overpowering feel to it, you know?

  • 06.21.2009 1:46 PM PDT

That is exactly what I mean.

And if a map such as sandbox for firefight came out, and we had the ability to place AI spawns, then man, that would be something.

Posted by: Arsalan Rehman
I would make a castle and have everyone spawn on top if it.

It would be fun, but only for creations that add to the maps, but will not make an overpowering feel to it, you know?

  • 06.21.2009 4:27 PM PDT

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And yet, bungie already told us that there wont be any forge for firefight. Fail topic.

  • 06.21.2009 4:31 PM PDT

The point is not for to get Bungie to include it, it is so you guys understand why this can be made in Halo: Reach.

Posted by: IIGhoulishtieII
And yet, bungie already told us that there wont be any forge for firefight. Fail topic.

  • 06.21.2009 4:53 PM PDT

Bungie has already stated that there will be no forge in Firefight

Also we dont even know if this game mode will be in REACH. I mean hell we no very little about it and its a new engine too, maybe its like Battlefield and then it wouldnt make no since to put it in? You cant just say, oh hey lets give ideas for firefight in Reach, when we know absolutly nothing about game play and if it would work or not with the gameplay of Reach

[Edited on 06.21.2009 5:10 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 5:08 PM PDT
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Completely agree with you, i made a thread a little while back with some of the same points

however, something you should say: you can make it harder with forge - delete cover and weapons and such

  • 06.21.2009 5:13 PM PDT