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Subject: ONI Building: A Coverup for the Ark Portal?
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what does it not being the first have to do with anything? ONI would still deem it TOP SECRET and hide it.

  • 06.20.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ClevelandCav19
Actually i agree with the OP. This is actually a good theory and a thought out post. Nice work.
Same, I completely agree. It's a perfect theory and sounds just like something both ONI and Bungie would pull off.

  • 06.20.2009 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: The 7th Centru
The only thing I have against your theroy is that The Portal to the Ark would not be the first Forerunner artifact, the Space Crystal that Dr. Hasely found would be the first. But that's not a thing to Ruin it, it just means that it would be the Second Artifact, Nice job.

How do you know it wasn't found years before Halsey was even born? It was located on Earth.

  • 06.20.2009 6:18 PM PDT

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Hmmm interesting theory....

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  • 06.20.2009 6:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: The 7th Centru
The only thing I have against your theroy is that The Portal to the Ark would not be the first Forerunner artifact, the Space Crystal that Dr. Hasely found would be the first. But that's not a thing to Ruin it, it just means that it would be the Second Artifact, Nice job.

How do you know it wasn't found years before Halsey was even born? It was located on Earth.

That kinda makes sense...They would have had to start digging long ago to find even a fraction of it.

  • 06.20.2009 6:20 PM PDT
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As a great man has said before "..." That is where the truth lies my friends

Well, official cannon always succeed theories, Seeing how that took place in one of the Novels, I'd say it came first, not to mention, novels of Halo were out before Halo 3. But I'm unsure, as you are.


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  • 06.20.2009 6:23 PM PDT

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Seems like a plausable theory. Well done for figuring it out. In some ways, I hope you're wrong, because if you where right, then you'd have spoiled the entire story for me :P

If this thread gets randomly deleted or locked, then we all know why XD

  • 06.20.2009 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: BurntBiscuits
If this thread gets randomly deleted or locked, then we all know why XD

No, no I wouldn't know why....

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  • 06.20.2009 7:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: mike120593
Posted by: BurntBiscuits
If this thread gets randomly deleted or locked, then we all know why XD

No, no I wouldn't know why....

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For revealing a good chunk of the plot. That's called leaking.

  • 06.20.2009 7:25 PM PDT

I was thinking while readin this.
And what if there is now a giant lake in the middle between voi and mombasa, due to global warming or something?
It is a fair few years in the future, and alot may have changed.
o_o

  • 06.20.2009 7:29 PM PDT

while it is unlikely because of the lack of mention in halo 3, i still think it is possible because of first strike and how they had built the ONI structures over the same titanium mines that the spartans ended up training in. those mines were extremely deep and 500 years into the future with all those giant ships, i'm sure humanity would have dug and drilled for every possible resource as far as they could go. Good idea

  • 06.20.2009 7:32 PM PDT

i think hes right.. remember that colonel ackerson KNEW that the rock that the covenant were looking for on sigmas octanous had a star chart on it. Hasley also found this on his personal files... they knew the covenant knew were reach was located.

it would make sense for them to hide this too

  • 06.20.2009 7:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: RenaShugo
I was thinking while readin this.
And what if there is now a giant lake in the middle between voi and mombasa, due to global warming or something?
It is a fair few years in the future, and alot may have changed.
o_o

I believed something similar could have happened. Perhaps a reservoir or global warming.

  • 06.20.2009 8:01 PM PDT

i thought there was a flood sample in the ONI building...

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For revealing a good chunk of the plot. That's called leaking.


No, it's called being smart and figuring stuff out. Leaking is when somebody directly feeds out info.
So, the leaked Mythic Map Pack info can't be classified as leaked?

Let it go, it doesn't matter.

  • 06.20.2009 8:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: CommunistNinja7
i thought there was a flood sample in the ONI building...


Where did you get that idea from? Source please :)

As for the OP, I was making a joke, evidently you missed it ¬_¬

  • 06.20.2009 8:07 PM PDT

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As for the OP, I was making a joke, evidently you missed it ¬_¬

Oh I knew, I guess my brand of humor doesn't travel through the web.

  • 06.20.2009 8:51 PM PDT
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  • 06.20.2009 8:52 PM PDT

Ding Ding!

Given what we know about the geography of locations in the games, I find this theory very unlikely, interesting as it may be. The ONI Alpha Site is in downtown New Mombasa, literally just down the street from the city center.

The Ark Portal, on the other hand, is buried under the town of Voi. While Voi is relatively close to New Mombasa, there is definitely still some distance between the two cities. The road signs on the Tsavo Highway really illustrate this point, as they point out New Mombasa is 114 kilometers away. You can clearly see the entire portal from the highway, so as big as it may be, it's definitely not large enough to stretch all the way to New Mombasa and encompass the ONI Site. Furthermore, the article about New Mombasa on ODST's product page mentions that everything within 74 kilometers of Mombasa Island is referred to as "Old Mombasa", so while Mombasa has definitely grown tremendously, Voi and the Portal are still outside of what can properly be considered part of the city.

The environment is also an indicator that they aren't the same location. New Mombasa, as shown in Halo 2 and ODST, is a huge city, and even if it was destroyed to uncover the Portal, there would still be some signs around the crater that there was once a large metropolis there. In Halo 3, however, the area around the Portal is depicted largely as rural savanna. The one area around the Portal that we could think of calling urban is the factory complex in the level The Storm, but that area is part of what was once the small town of Voi, not New Mombasa.

It's an interesting theory, but the evidence seems to be against it from what I can tell.

  • 06.20.2009 11:36 PM PDT

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That the ONI knows something the ODSTs dont is quite likely, but if it is a "tunnel" to the Ark portal I really cant say. However, if you take a look at this picture you cant see that it is fairly plausible that the ONI builing is quite near the Ark portal. Picture!

I have a similar theory, but it doesnt involve a direct link to the Ark. You can read my thread here.

[Edited on 06.21.2009 7:26 AM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 7:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Carnage Boy
Given what we know about the geography of locations in the games, I find this theory very unlikely, interesting as it may be. The ONI Alpha Site is in downtown New Mombasa, literally just down the street from the city center.

The Ark Portal, on the other hand, is buried under the town of Voi. While Voi is relatively close to New Mombasa, there is definitely still some distance between the two cities. The road signs on the Tsavo Highway really illustrate this point, as they point out New Mombasa is 114 kilometers away. You can clearly see the entire portal from the highway, so as big as it may be, it's definitely not large enough to stretch all the way to New Mombasa and encompass the ONI Site. Furthermore, the article about New Mombasa on ODST's product page mentions that everything within 74 kilometers of Mombasa Island is referred to as "Old Mombasa", so while Mombasa has definitely grown tremendously, Voi and the Portal are still outside of what can properly be considered part of the city.

The environment is also an indicator that they aren't the same location. New Mombasa, as shown in Halo 2 and ODST, is a huge city, and even if it was destroyed to uncover the Portal, there would still be some signs around the crater that there was once a large metropolis there. In Halo 3, however, the area around the Portal is depicted largely as rural savanna. The one area around the Portal that we could think of calling urban is the factory complex in the level The Storm, but that area is part of what was once the small town of Voi, not New Mombasa.

It's an interesting theory, but the evidence seems to be against it from what I can tell.

According to this picture, you can see that one side of the Portal is clearly covered in ruins, and you can tell how large it is.

Also, this excerpt confirms that it was once under water:

"The Portal was originally both underground and submerged, lying under a massive human-made lake. By the events of Halo 3, the entire lake and the earth below had been vaporized by Covenant cruisers to unveil the Portal. "

[Edited on 06.21.2009 10:09 AM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 10:07 AM PDT

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Yeah, as interesting as this could be you aren't anywhere near Voi in ODST. The Portal was below Mt. Killamonjaro which doesn't seem to be visible near the ONI Alpha Site.

  • 06.21.2009 10:28 AM PDT

Ding Ding!

Posted by: mike120593
According to this picture, you can see that one side of the Portal is clearly covered in ruins, and you can tell how large it is.

Also, this excerpt confirms that it was once under water:

"The Portal was originally both underground and submerged, lying under a massive human-made lake. By the events of Halo 3, the entire lake and the earth below had been vaporized by Covenant cruisers to unveil the Portal. "


The Portal is definitely large, I'll give you that, but I still don't think it's large enough to stretch all the way to downtown New Mombasa (the far outskirts, maybe, but certainly not the city center). As I said in my previous post, you can clearly see the entire Portal from the highway. Even on a perfectly clear day, with no landforms or objects to obstruct your view, what are the odds that you're going to be able to perfectly see something hundreds of kilometers in the distance?

As for the lake, while there's no large lake near Voi in the present day, I can only assume that at some point an artificial one was created there (I realize that's pure conjecture on my part). We can very clearly see how large the lake surrounding the ONI Site is during the drop in ODST, and while it is pretty big compared to the building itself, it still only occupies a small section of the city center. It certainly doesn't stretch over 100 kilometers inland to Voi, so logically the lakebed that you encounter in The Storm must belong to a completely different lake. Furthermore, the ONI Site, including the surrounding lake, sits on a penninsula that sticks out into the Indian Ocean (this screenshot shows it very well). Even if the lake was vaporized to uncover the Portal, there would still be some sign of the ocean, but the levels in Halo 3 definitely indicate an inland setting.

[Edited on 06.21.2009 12:11 PM PDT]

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