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Subject: does any one else feel the same way (intelligent people only :P)
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ya sure

  • 07.17.2004 11:01 PM PDT
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While I am as "old skool" as anyone who started gaming on the 2600, I wholly diagree with you. Look beyond the nostalgia factor, and you will come to realize that gaming today is not much different that it was ten years ago.

I fanatically seek out older titles like Akumajo Dracula X: Chi no Rondo, Chrono Trigger and Panzer Dragoon Saga, but play them just as much as newer games like Prince of Persia: SOT.

Other than technology and complexity, gaming has no changed. Just like 5-10 years ago, for every Street Fighter you'd get a dozen Time Killers'. For every Soul Calibur, you get a ton of Kakuto Chojins. Oh, and calling Halo a 'fresh idea'? Kind of destroys your argument.

The moral of the story is, don't get so worked up about a couple of less then completely original titles. It was like this ten years ago too, if you recall.

  • 07.17.2004 11:10 PM PDT
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I'd have to agree with Surge.
People have always ripped off each others ideas, and re-used old ones. These days though, we're getting games that aren't so much sheap imitations, but revamps... old games/stories advanced with technology that was never available before.
POP; SOT is one of the best examples of this. Prince of Persia came out ages ago, and its story was far from original, but as the games progressed they changed, slowly adding different gaming elemtents as they were created. POP was the original, POP2; The Shadow and the Flame gave you knew amazing abilities and pitted you against more types of enemies, POP3D turned a previously 2D world 3D whilst adding in different weapon types and completely original fighting technology, giving you the ability to hit from afar with bow and staff or mince people close up with fighting knives.

When you examine the stories... they're all pretty much the same... princess taken, prince ousted, save the day... But each has their own take on things, their own new bits to add.

People see a good idea and they copy it, thats the way things have always been. (look at what B. Gates did to the Macintosh company) But to say that nothing is original or that games are just repeats of older ones is wrong... We're only just touching the surface of our imaginative ability ;-)

  • 07.18.2004 12:00 AM PDT
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i havent been alive long enough to remember such titles, my earliest title was in 1997,
to me the good old days are the psx days....................

pimpin didnt you read intelligent people only, oops i forgot people who arent intelligent cant read.....................

[Edited on 7/18/2004 1:48:35 AM]

  • 07.18.2004 1:46 AM PDT
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recently i gained freedom inside my computer following my brothers absence because of his vacation, when i thought about what games i wanted to download i found myself disgused in the crap that studios put out these days and found that the only games i wanted to play are the old skool games i already played,........... the crap that is produced these days are repetative and are copies of old games, once in a while a fresh idea (like halo) comes through and is prevailed by most people and is actually worth playing but then that is even spoiled by other studios trying to reproduce it in its quality with another story and just totally pisses me off,.. the new titles such as need for speed underground,battlefield 2,doom3, UT2004,GTA san andreas, and so on,.. theyre just copies of old games that have already been taken past the point that they are enjoyable and into the point i like to call peice of -blam!-,.........and another game i forgot to mention is, star wars galaxies,or starwars:kotr or starwars what ever, lucas arts has rode on this goddamned starwars train for longer than pokemon has, its a piece of -blam!- also.........,... the more i look at these games the more disgust i have for gaming............ any one else feel this way?

excuse my bad spelling, im really tired...........

[Edited on 7/17/2004 10:12:31 PM]

  • 07.17.2004 10:10 PM PDT
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Whilst there are a few good arguments in here i somwhat disagree with all of you. Gaming today is very different than it was 10 or 15 years ago, sure people are still making crappy games to try and capitilize on the sucsess of "great" games. But mainly what has changed Is not just the technology, but the gamer. I know i cannot speak for everyone, but as time progressed, i found myself getting more and more serious about my gaming. Not because i was growing up, but simply because i was playing more. In my earlier days i was playing everything from et on atari, to ninja turtles on nes (a clasic). But i find myself purgeing from new games. Gaming has always had its dry seasons, times between the blockbusters, where only a few dinasty warriors and platformers come out. But its getting progresivly worst. I find that i never touch anygame scored under an 8. Not because i trust these reviewers, because thier crap also. Simply because what the game presents does not impress me enough, Psi ops? Fraggeta bout it. To often are these lackluster games put out, Very few of them even put a new spin on the elements thier reusing. Game like sonic heroes *shudder* try to take thier clasic mold and break it and reglue it in the dark, haping it comes out as a shiny 3d object. More often than not, they blow it. Sonic heroes completly descrases all that was and that will ever be sonic. A classic 2d sidescrolling adventure, and one of the better ones at that (super sonic. yes!!). But when they put it to 3d, they frogot about the other d. And left you with the same ambiguios path to stay on, with very little room to meander. It was a 2d game in 3d shoes, Forcing you to follow this path straight ahead. Im not just talking linear, Your only choice is straight forward, and you cant go left or right much at all. Enough about that piece of -blam!-. Simply put, i find myself playin games im confortable with, like halo. Games that brought somthing to the table, Somthing weve aten before, alot, we liked it though, but they cooked it differently and added spices weve never had. My 50 bucks means more to me now then ever, especially because before it was only 30 bucks, and 20 before that. This is why i love nintendo. Often nintendo experiments with things never done, But even when they stay on thier beaten path, they got alot of good stuff goin on. Thier games were always fun and great. And Nintendo's ds and next system are forcing developers to make new ideas, i love you nintendo. So finishing off my rant, New games often suck, Games that are based on ones we love often dissapoint (cept pop, suh-weet!), and nintendo is and always will be all about the games. Even when/if they dissapear, nintendo will still be the best in my heart. Jesus that was long. noones readin it.

  • 07.18.2004 7:31 AM PDT
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Just a little background so you know where I'm coming from:
I started gaming when I was around 7. My first games were Doom and Sonic the Hedgehog.

Anyways, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Even the games that are rehashing old ideas are pretty damn good. Of course, you will always have your streams of crap games like Dyansty Warriors and Psi-Ops flowing in the background, but look what we'll have in the near future. Half-Life 2. Halo 2. Doom III. STALKER. San Andreas. In fact, I think the onrushing wave of godlike games is going to make 2004 that best year of my gaming life, ever. And don't forget other groundbreaking titles like Far Cry and Halo (though Halo wasn't really groundbreaking compared to PC games). The fact that four of the games I cited are sequels in popular series does bring some validity to you opinion, though.

  • 07.18.2004 8:08 AM PDT
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Has anyone here heard of "Red Star", that is based on an old skool action game of some sort and it's damn good!
If you diss that fabulous game you will be destroyed by huge viruses the size of garbage truck's. But I know what you mean, the gaming industry is going down, but good game's do exist out there you've just got to find them!
See yall.

  • 07.18.2004 8:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Terran Grunt
Just a little background so you know where I'm coming from:
I started gaming when I was around 7. My first games were Doom and Sonic the Hedgehog.

Anyways, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Even the games that are rehashing old ideas are pretty damn good. Of course, you will always have your streams of crap games like Dyansty Warriors and Psi-Ops flowing in the background, but look what we'll have in the near future. Half-Life 2. Halo 2. Doom III. STALKER. San Andreas. In fact, I think the onrushing wave of godlike games is going to make 2004 that best year of my gaming life, ever. And don't forget other groundbreaking titles like Far Cry and Halo (though Halo wasn't really groundbreaking compared to PC games). The fact that four of the games I cited are sequels in popular series does bring some validity to you opinion, though.
Idk if you were talking to me, but i hear you man. Those game are all blockbusters, and are in a sense the monsoon to our drought. Alough stalker look kinda iffy to me, its running on the source engine so it should be good. Hopefully half life to is coming to xbox, hopefully.but after the rain stops, and the ground starts to dry, then what will we have. Im feeling a longer period of nothing than this time. Because were drawing close to where the next sunami of consoles and titles, the developer will most likely save anything they dont drop in 2004-early 2005 ie good ideas. These will probally be the last games being dropped for console that will matter till the next consoles come out. Along with fable, bc,conker, halo 2, vampire masqureade, and a few others id say that 2004 is gonna end good. But 2005, well we will see.

  • 07.18.2004 8:49 AM PDT
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Uh, STALKER is on the X-ray engine, developed in-house by GSC Game World. And that game looks great - as good as if not better than Half-Life 2. Take a look at the link I posted in another thread in the Flood.

  • 07.18.2004 9:44 AM PDT
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with the whole game copy thing, you can see the same thing in the movies, and that doesnt mean their all bad. In case you havent noticed, super heros seem to be a big thing in the movie busniess, sure some are bad, but you can see some super ones like X-men and Spiderman. It all comes down to money. A game company see's that one thing did something right and made alot of money for it so naturally they try to get into the same craze just to make more money. they dont care if thier just copying stuff. if its popular its gonna get money. and theres only so much one can do with a single genre.

  • 07.18.2004 9:51 AM PDT
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One word: Castlevania....

been around since the NES days.

  • 07.18.2004 11:18 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

want old school? Commodore 64

  • 07.18.2004 11:24 AM PDT
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It's true, I find myself playing old school SNES rpg's alot these days...and the game I've been playing the most is FF Tactics advance... Alot of new games I see comming out look decent, but I don't like to play decent games, I want the games that blow my -blam!- pants out the door.

Aaaah....Earthbound, Secret of Mana...the nostalgia...

  • 07.18.2004 1:49 PM PDT
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Best old school game=Super Mario World for SNES. w00t!

  • 07.18.2004 1:52 PM PDT
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Mario has been the master since he was a nameless plumber fighting a gorrilla. Mario RPG was actually pretty fun too.

  • 07.18.2004 2:00 PM PDT
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Gnop.

  • 07.18.2004 2:08 PM PDT
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Heh, Gnop. The good old, old, old days.

  • 07.18.2004 2:10 PM PDT
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No, best old school game: Super Metroid.

  • 07.18.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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Metroid and Castlevania are two very good gaming franchises, both (altho it took castlevania 3 tries) made a smooth transition into 3D and today's gaming while still sticking to their roots with 2D sidescrollers on the GBA (and castlevania on ps1). The developers aren't afraid of putting in new ideas, and that's why i think new versions are so widely accepted.

Of course, good 2D games on a consoles are pretty much non-existent, ever since the playstation 1, which is a shame. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is a very good 2D game that came out admist a 3D revolution on the playstation, and is to this day considered one of the best games of all time.

  • 07.18.2004 9:30 PM PDT
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to me, games can repeat themselves as much as they want, as long as they are made RIGHT. don't take a series, and stretch it into the same thing 27 times (i.e. GTA. i hate that series, and its going too far). and, if it ain't broke, don't fix it (i.e. sonic heroes, why'd they make the 3-some thingy?). there is a critical balance that hags on a thin wire determining a good game from a bad game. mostly that "good/bad opinion" is based on everyone's tastes.

as long as someone is careful, you can make a series, and take the same basic storyline and apply it to several different games.

what a lot of the "lackluster" games are missing is not the repetitive storyline, but actaul new gameplay mechanics. halo 2 is bringing to the table astounding new graphics, and the ability to dual-weild 2 different weapons. as far as i know, not to many other games have the latter (i.e. zero). i've never played POP, but as far as i can tell, its got the same basic look as the Matrix Reloaded on the consoles. but in changing a couple of crucial gameplay elements (i.e. storyline (kinda), time-frame, setting, etc.) its a "different" game. yeah, it has the same storyliune as 127 other random games out there, but nothing has EXACTLY copied it. and it hasn't EXACTLY copied anything else.

there are only so many story lines that the average human can think of. when a game company comes out with something totally unheard of (i.e. Dance Dance Revolution, brand new concept), then people tend to notice, and start to expand on that a little, sometime better, sometimes worse, and even various spin-offs using a different style emerge.

hmm... reading this, i kinda ramble from one thing to another in about 3 seconds a peice... whoops...

  • 07.18.2004 10:15 PM PDT