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i think you will find, it CANT be spartan III's, ackerson didnt start that project till quite a while after the spartan II's were made public, and reach had already been glassed, also the mission type for S3's would have put them alot too far from reach to get there and help even if they had been around at the time.

the only spartans at reach were the S2's and altho only 150 were trained, there were originaly a large number of possibles surveyed, off which the master chief, john, was the 117th, S259, was obviously the 259th on the list, and also got chosen for the programme.

most of the spartan S2's still alive at the time were on reach, a few were in orbit, sercuring nav data bases against the covenant.

what i cant remember is, who 259 was.


*edit* sry reach hadnt been glassed, my mistake, but there were no S3's there

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  • 06.22.2009 6:55 AM PDT
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It'd be cool, but I'm not sure if it'd work for canon. Either way, sounds like a good theory.

  • 06.22.2009 7:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
So as some of you know, the Spartan-II program was a major sucess. But it was costly, unethical and the genetic information was hard to find perfect matches, meaning there weren't enough candidates for more Spartans. So, after the Spartan-II program, the Spartan-III program was started up by Colonel James Ackerson.

So basically, the Spartan-III's were designed to be better trained, cheaper and expendable. This meant they weren't as invincible as the Spartan-II's.

Anyways, Spartan-III's would be trained in companies of 300 to 330 at a time. Then sent on suicide missions to basically, buy time for against the covenant.
(This brings up an interesting point, the Sierra 320, and Sierra 259. If they are Spartan-III's, it makes perfect sense that their numbers are so high. Because, there would be around 330 Spartan-III's built at a time, meaning, 320, and 259 makes perfect sense.)
[Just that I would add that]



So with this in mind, the "Spartans" of this game could be Spartan-III's, not Spartan-II's. Maybe some of these Spartans could be from Gamma company. Who knows. I haven't bothered to look into all of this, all this canon and stuff. Anyways, just a theory I came up with.

What do you guys think?


Might be possible since Mendez went back to Reach to train the next batch of Spartans Hasely was making. I dont remember them mentioning if they were Spartan II's or III's but probably III's. ^^^ guy above me has a good post read that.

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  • 06.22.2009 7:21 AM PDT
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Very plausible theory. Nice work.

  • 06.22.2009 7:29 AM PDT

Posted by: Raptor1215
Halo wars is non-canon though, so any evidence given may be false.

The books are canon and therefore any evidence in there is true


http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33630397 Halo wars is canon. No one knows about the flood and stuff before Halo CE because the Spirit of Fire is lost in some remote part of space so they can't tell anyone about everything they've seen.

  • 06.22.2009 8:39 AM PDT

It's far more likely that this is a second batch of Spartan II's. In the books it says that Mendez and such were going to start work on another group of Spartans.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/995/995280p1.html check this out if you haven't already.

  • 06.22.2009 8:42 AM PDT

There were only around 3 companies of about 300-330 Spartan-III in each company. All of the Spartans in the first company died, destroying a covenant Ship yard planet, 2 survived the second company after destroying a covenant fuel processing planet, and it is unknown about how man survived from the 3rd company besides the under dozen so that made it out with the other Spartan-II and CPO Mendez and Dr.Halsey. At the time there were 3 squads fighting for Honors so whos to say that the other squads were shipped elsewhere. The occurences on Onyx happen during Halo CE and Halo 2 to 3

EDIT: These companies were trained in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, according to what they did at each interval of the Spartan-III program, if they were not sent on suicide missions, the UNSC may have had by then of Halo 3 1000 Spartan-III or so, THATS A BADD ASS ARMY

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  • 06.22.2009 8:52 AM PDT

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No Spartan IIIs fought on Reach, it never happened.

  • 06.22.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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If they were S-IIIs their callsigns would have read Sierra-G259 (Spartan-B092 Lucy, from Beta Company)... and I don't think they'd sound as they did, since the Gammas were, what, 12-14 years old?

Maybe the Circumference was above Reach because Ackerson figured Reach would fall soon, so he sent the ship there to retrieve any potential S-III candidates for the Delta Company... as well as a new Spartan-II trainer, in the form of James (who went MIA in a similar fashion to Kurt, who trained the Alphas-Gammas, even around the same ship).

Why would he need James? Kurt was apprehensive towards the treatment of his S-IIIs, and didn't like that they were throw-away troops. Maybe Ackerson wanted a clean start.

  • 06.22.2009 8:58 AM PDT

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Spartan III's would refer to their company letter. The "Sierra" designation is a callsign for Spartan II's not Spartans in general.


thats what i thought I've only ever heard spartan IIs use the callsign 'sierra'
The reason why you have only heard Spartan-II's use the callsign 'Sierra' is because, well, have you ever played as a Spartan-I, or a Spartan-III?

I mean, guys come on, a "Callsign" is your best shot at shooting down my theory so far. Which, Master Cheif didn't always use his 'Callsign'. He used a lot of names over radio, like Sierra 117, Spartan 117, Master Cheif, etc.

This one little issue with a callsign can easily be disregarded.




Anyways, onto "They aren't old enough", well, when given the "Forced puberty", they would be at their full full grown height around 15 years old. I think their voices would also develope as fast. Maybe some didn't get there as fast.


Edit: For those of you who are saying, Ackerson didn't start the S-III project til quite awhile after Reach, well, I believe he actually started it in the year 2536.


Edit #2: Alright, like I said before, I am not trying to heavily defend my theory. But, callsigns, and age are not reasons enough to shoot down my theory.

[Edited on 06.22.2009 11:04 AM PDT]

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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

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Edit #2: Alright, like I said before, I am not trying to heavily defend my theory. But, callsigns, and age are not reasons enough to shoot down my theory.
As a theory is very solid (little holes here and there) but is alot more probable than many of the other theories around.

Im a fan of this theory but even if its probable consider it to be highly unlikely.

  • 06.22.2009 11:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
[Bungie doesn't have to follow all the canon that is out there right now. They can make stuff up as they go
You don't understand what "canon" means, do you?

There are so many legitimate sources of information available to answer any questions or address any ideas that anyone might have. I don't understand why people want to offer up their opinions without taking the time to read enough to validate their thoughts.

The information is not hard to find. You don't even HAVE to read the books if you're not into it, although first hand information is always more valuable.

Please, fewer unresearched theories.

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
If they were S-IIIs their callsigns would have read Sierra-G259 (Spartan-B092 Lucy, from Beta Company)...
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
I mean, guys come on, a "Callsign" is your best shot at shooting down my theory so far. Which, Master Cheif didn't always use his 'Callsign'. He used a lot of names over radio, like Sierra 117, Spartan 117, Master Cheif, etc.

This one little issue with a callsign can easily be disregarded.
Diregarding the evidence that definitively refutes your theory is not a good practice. Why don't we all just disregard the fact that this game takes place in the Halo universe and agree that it's actually a new Pac Man game?


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this is still my favorite theory as it doesnt have to many holes to fill in other the the fact the s-III are usually used as suicide armys to slow down the covenant not as defensive troops.

  • 06.22.2009 4:01 PM PDT

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Theory: There might be a second wave of SPARTAN lls. Untrained of coarse, they are not because they weren't done yet. In First Strike, Master Chief is in Slip Space at the time Reach is attacked. OR Seraira may be a space battleship. We maybe playing as the SPARTANS trapped on Reach, or the untrained SPARTANS. I looked very closely to the trailer, and noticed a SPARTAN floating in space, dead. I believe it is James, because it says that James was battling outside the ship.

  • 06.22.2009 4:58 PM PDT

spartan IIIs were never on reach, they were trained during the halo 2 events

  • 06.22.2009 5:03 PM PDT

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spartan IIIs were never on reach, they were trained during the halo 2 events


This along with a few other posts are innacrate. The S-III program was run while the S-II's were in service, their training started long before the events on Reach. In fact the events on Onyx with Gamma company happened roughly 3 months after Reach was attacked, check the dates in the books.

I do still believe, however, that S-III's will not be present, it makes little sense to have them there. S-III's, while tough, have a big physical and mental capability deficit compared to the S-II's, not to mention their armor (aside from their camo) is inferior to the Mjolnir system. Having them in the game as playable characters would mean two completely different playstyles, which is not necessarily a bad thing but isn't something I think theyd do with an FPS. Think of the reaction to the Arbiter/MC switches in H2, wasn't well recieved.

In the line of established story, it makes little sense to have them there because S-III's are not a response force, they are a highly specialized strike team, utilized for high profile targets, deemed worthy of suicide soldiers. If many of you read my earlier post you would know as much. I apologize for coming off as preachy, but the repeat arguments with no foundation get frustrating.

  • 06.22.2009 5:27 PM PDT

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I keep hearing that in GoO, the Gammas recieved their orders for their mission weeks after the battle of Onyx, so they would have still been on Onyx training during Reach's invasion.

  • 06.22.2009 5:31 PM PDT

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I keep hearing that in GoO, the Gammas recieved their orders for their mission weeks after the battle of Onyx, so they would have still been on Onyx training during Reach's invasion.


I can't find clarification of the wherabouts of the rest of Gamma, but the only Gamma S-III's on Onyx were those competing for top honors. The rest of the company had shipped out a little while beforehand. But you are right, for whatever reason, the S-III's were not mobilized to save Reach, at least not in the written media. I can't remember the days, but Reach was attached in August, the events on Onyx were in October/November.

  • 06.22.2009 5:36 PM PDT

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this is still my favorite theory as it doesnt have to many holes to fill in other the the fact the s-III are usually used as suicide armys to slow down the covenant not as defensive troops.
Well, seeing how the Covenant are so great and better then human forces, and human forces know this. When the Covenant began too glass Reach, Spartan-III's were probably sent in (for a sucide mission, to aid the evacuation and slow down the Covenant).

  • 06.22.2009 7:06 PM PDT

Remember, they may be trained 300 or so at a time, but there could be thousands of them, numerically.

What I mean is, for example, Spartan 117 was actually the first Spartan II who was accepted into the spartan program, but he was still number 117. So for all we know, #320 and #259 could be in Spartan II also.

Just a theory...

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  • 06.22.2009 7:18 PM PDT
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Sierra is just code for Spartan, correct? So the 259 and 320 could refer to the S-IIIs. John is refered to as Sierra 117, not the name of the company he is, than followed by 117. (That could because he is the "last Spartan" so therefore he didn't belong to a company)

  • 06.22.2009 7:24 PM PDT
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yes this is very true but i thought that only 150 of the spartens were even left before reach and they didnt even get to 200 let alone 300 but i may be wrong just sayin

  • 06.22.2009 7:32 PM PDT
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no see during halo 2 master cheif was the last sparten period
no other spartens were even being trained during the events of halo one
sorry bro but check your dates

  • 06.22.2009 8:15 PM PDT

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no see during halo 2 master cheif was the last sparten period
no other spartens were even being trained during the events of halo one
sorry bro but check your dates


If your referring to me i'll help you out, if not i'll educate you all the same. Dates from The Fall of Reach: 9/24/2517 John 117 starts his first day of boot, Spartan II program. 9/12/2525 Spartans first documented operation, the retrieval of a rebel leader from known asteroid base. 11/27/2525, Spartans are outfited with the Mjolnir armor system. 8/30/2552, Covenant assault on Reach, Pillar of Autumn discovers Halo after retreating from the battle over Reach, assuming the planet was lost.

Dates from Ghosts of Onyx: 10/24/2531, Ackerson recieves approval for the S-III program. 12/27/2531, Fist class of S-III's arrives on Onyx, Spartan III Alpha Company. 10/31/2552, Gamma Company encounters sentinels during "top honors" exam, planet Onyx.

I could go on, but I believe you get the point. The S-III's were in action long before the events of Halo CE, the first company was trained nearly twenty years prior.

[Edited on 06.22.2009 8:49 PM PDT]

  • 06.22.2009 8:48 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

You are right about the S-IIIs. All 330 candidates passed augmentation. But Spartan IIIs use letters in their name as well, to show which company they belong to. (As if it really mattered. most only survived a single mission any way.) In other words 259 would be Spartan G259. (This is proven as Tom is Spartan B292 which means Beta 292.

  • 06.22.2009 9:10 PM PDT

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