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Posted by: Raylette
You are right about the S-IIIs. All 330 candidates passed augmentation. But Spartan IIIs use letters in their name as well, to show which company they belong to. (As if it really mattered. most only survived a single mission any way.) In other words 259 would be Spartan G259. (This is proven as Tom is Spartan B292 which means Beta 292.
Not all is known, this is just a theory. Just because they have the letter in their name, does not mean Bungie added this into the trailer. Maybe it is to keep things vague, maybe it was to add a little enigma to the trailer.

We all agree we do not know who Sierra 259 or Sierra 320 are, right?

Maybe Bungie wanted this for enigmatic reasons. Make it more mysterious, you know. Think about it, if in the teaser trailer, they used "this is Sierra G320", or 'Sierra G259'. We would know, right off the bat, "Oh, these are Sparta-III's and they are from gamma company".

I think adding more enigma, and mystery to the teaser trailer is to keep us wondering, not to give to many details away.

Besides, Trailers don't always stay true to the actual game. For example, I don't think there is any rain when you get out of your Drop pod. But in the trailer there was.

Like I said, we do not know hardly anything as of now.

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Gamma Company is probably on planet reach when it was attacked. I mostly think this because they don't even try to help their team mate on their home planet onyx. So something must have happened to them.

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Besides, Trailers don't always stay true to the actual game. For example, I don't think there is any rain when you get out of your Drop pod. But in the trailer there was.

Like I said, we do not know hardly anything as of now.

This is true, but people are intent on trying to figure things out given what we currently know now. Our current knowledge is so incredibly sparse that all of it could be inconsequential when we receive a bit more. But as it currently stands, if you and others are going to bring up theories, you should expect some criticism, too. At this point, it isn't hard to see all sides of this debate, which, to be honest, would be a good thing for people to do before we get some substantial information from which we can actually start dissecting facts.

In my own opinion, again from what we currently know, there are more plausible explanations than Spartan-IIIs.

  • 06.23.2009 3:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Besides, Trailers don't always stay true to the actual game. For example, I don't think there is any rain when you get out of your Drop pod. But in the trailer there was.

Like I said, we do not know hardly anything as of now.

This is true, but people are intent on trying to figure things out given what we currently know now. Our current knowledge is so incredibly sparse that all of it could be inconsequential when we receive a bit more. But as it currently stands, if you and others are going to bring up theories, you should expect some criticism, too. At this point, it isn't hard to see all sides of this debate, which, to be honest, would be a good thing for people to do before we get some substantial information from which we can actually start dissecting facts.

In my own opinion, again from what we currently know, there are more plausible explanations than Spartan-IIIs.
I agree, Spartan-III's are a less likely candidate at the moment. But from what I know, it stands far better then a lot of theories out there at the moment, things like a second batch of Spartan-II's or time travel.

I do take the criticism, and I am not standing by my theory `100%, but if things like "Callsigns not properly used in the trailer" is all that can debunk my theory, well then I am still going to stand by my theory, and not totally dismiss it.

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I wasn't insinuating that you couldn't take the criticism or anything. It was more of an agreement with you and simply a reminder to everyone participating in this thread. And I agree, nothing should be dismissed at the moment.

  • 06.23.2009 4:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
I wasn't insinuating that you couldn't take the criticism or anything. It was more of an agreement with you and simply a reminder to everyone participating in this thread. And I agree, nothing should be dismissed at the moment.
Okie dokie, well, there really isn't anything that could be added to this thread, so until there is a news update on Reach (Which probably won't be for a very long time) there won't be a known story plot or anything.

  • 06.23.2009 4:50 PM PDT

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Spartans III's were to not be reveiled until they had hundreds or thousands of them.

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Kurt had never locked it, but now, some part of his mind
made him reflexively turn the tiny bolt on the door.

The house was small, three rooms comprised of an outer of-
fice, a toilet area, and bunk. There were framed pictures on his
office wall, a Greek urn with ancient wrestlers in an alcove, and
neat stacks of paperwork on his desk -- the recent deployment
orders for Gamma Company.

He wished whatever was happening had started last week --
when there had been three hundred Spartans on Onyx.

-- Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 139


This was stated October 31, so the Gammas recieved their orders to go on their mission away from Onyx around October 23... Reach fell August 30.

And for anyone wondering, REACH is a prequal... Halo 1 began September 19 and ended September 22. Halo 2 began October 20 and ended November 8. Halo 3 began November 17 and (gameplay) ended at an unknown date.

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  • 06.23.2009 5:06 PM PDT

you sir are retarded.

Reach was glassed way before the Spartan III program was initiated

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Posted by: MichaelYEAHH
you sir are retarded.

Reach was glassed way before the Spartan III program was initiated
The S-III program began in 2531, Reach was glassed in 2552. The Gammas were on Onyx until weeks after Reach fell, though, so you are right in some aspects (despite being pretty mean about it).

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hmm well there u go. We are all wrong. So wat the hell?!!?

  • 06.23.2009 5:38 PM PDT

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We know of nothing yet. Though S-III's seem very very unlikely, it is still possible. Anyways, I would like to see some armour variants that are SPI. That would be cool.

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All the Alphas died, all the Betas but two (Lucy-B091 and Tom-B292) were KIA... so the only S-IIIs they could be would be the Gammas, who were on Onyx until around October 23, 2552.

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The group of -IIIs that did ship out, as far as we know, shipped out after the destruction of Reach. Even if they shipped before it, it's highly improbable that they could make it to Reach in time to do any kind of serious fighting.

Also, Spartan-III designations are different. It would be by company, such as Spartan-B259 or Spartan-C320, not just "259" and "320".

  • 06.23.2009 7:16 PM PDT

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The Spartan-III's where not on Reach when it fell.

  • 06.23.2009 7:16 PM PDT

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Okay, got it guys.

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  • 06.23.2009 7:41 PM PDT

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Spartan III's weren't around while the event's of Reach took place. The game takes place before Halo: Combat Evolved, and I believe that the Spartan III's were trained during the same time period as Halo 2 (They mentioned Master Chief blowing up the Halo ring in the book Ghosts of Oynx, so obviously it took place after Halo: CE)

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Posted by: Skinny Genes
Spartan III's weren't around while the event's of Reach took place. The game takes place before Halo: Combat Evolved, and I believe that the Spartan III's were trained during the same time period as Halo 2 (They mentioned Master Chief blowing up the Halo ring in the book Ghosts of Oynx, so obviously it took place after Halo: CE)
There were two Companies trained prior (the program started in 2531, same year as Halo Wars), and one that graduated in 2551, but remained on Onyx until around October 23, 2552 to train. Reach fell August 30, 2552.

  • 07.29.2009 10:10 AM PDT

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What we are all forgeting here is that the books are not the Halo Cannon, the games are and I think that Bungie has even said as much. Halo Reach could be taking place at any period of time as the developers want and they can create any story line they want.

Personally, I think that the Spartan III make the most sense and we will be playing in a company of them (AI's) and have to retake the planet. Good find and nice post.

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Posted by: Raptor1215
Halo wars is non-canon though, so any evidence given may be false.

The books are canon and therefore any evidence in there is true

Halo wars is set in 2531. You had to fight hunters and flood in 2531? Plausible but on that scale? I don't think so. Hunters were encountered in 2531 but the witnesses died in space.

Hunters weren't first (officially) encountered until 2552 (unoficially they were encountered in 2537 but during operation prometheus) according to the fall of reach where master chief and his team of spartans had to fight them on sigma octanus IV.

And no one even knew of the flood until the halo event


Where and win did they every say HW was non-canon?

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What we are all forgeting here is that the books are not the Halo Cannon, the games are and I think that Bungie has even said as much. Halo Reach could be taking place at any period of time as the developers want and they can create any story line they want.
No. Proof.

Personally, I think that the Spartan III make the most sense and we will be playing in a company of them (AI's) and have to retake the planet. Good find and nice post.The S-IIIs will not be in the game because they were on Onyx until October 23, whereas Reach fell August 30.

  • 07.29.2009 10:40 AM PDT

According to "ghosts of onyx" gamma company recieved their genentic augmentations on februray 20 2551 after going through an enduced state of puberty to make them capable of going through the augmentation process. This leaves a little more than a year and a half for the spartians III's to be officially ready for combat in time for the events at reach. Also Bungie has said that as far as canon goes the games are first the books are second so they can do whatever they want for the story concerning Halo Reach regardless of previous events talked about in any of the Halo books.

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Posted by: ALLHYPE007
According to "ghosts of onyx" gamma company recieved their genentic augmentations on februray 20 2551 after going through an enduced state of puberty to make them capable of going through the augmentation process. This leaves a little more than a year and a half for the spartians III's to be officially ready for combat in time for the events at reach. Also Bungie has said that as far as canon goes the games are first the books are second so they can do whatever they want for the story concerning Halo Reach regardless of previous events talked about in any of the Halo books.
They were on Onyx until around October 23, whereas Reach fell August 30. Bungie can change whatever they want in the games, but why would they? There is plenty of story, they don't need to retcon their pre-established story and ruin the canon. A lot of stuff appeared in the novels before the games (Keyes, the Chief, Cortana, Halo, Tartarus, Truth, the BR, the Magnum, Johnson's survival, Jenkins, etc.)

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