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Subject: What do you think the names "Sierra 259 & 320" imply?

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Poll: What do you think the names "Sierra 259 & 320" imply?  [closed]
SPARTAN-IIs, as-of-yet unnamed from MC's class.:  24%
(8 Votes)
SPARTAN-II, Class 2 Spartans:  39%
(13 Votes)
SPARTAN-IIIs:  21%
(7 Votes)
Sierra =/= SPARTAN codeword (S could be anything):  15%
(5 Votes)
Total Votes: 33

I'm just curious as to what the majority of the people here think regarding the two supposedly Spartans that are heard in the trailer. It's possible that they aren't Spartans and Bunige is just teasing us. But I'd be willing to put money on Sierra referencing S for SPARTAN, not some other identification.

Personally, I like to think that Spartans 320 and 259 are perhaps survivors from Beta team (made up of about 15 Spartans) on Reach, the team assigned by Fred-104 to guard the power generators for the orbital MAC guns (from Eric Nylund's First Strike). Beta team was assumed dead, but some Spartans seem to have a habit of surviving against all odds, so it may be possible that some survived that op. Maybe we play as at least one of them in the game. Who knows? It's more of a pipe-dream of mine, you could call it, than anything else

I know the numbers don't really match up to the 150 candidates for the first SPARTAN-II class (one would assume that the numbers only go up to 150), but perhaps the numbers are less important than that anyway. Maybe the numbers were assigned to children up for consideration before the 150 candidates were selected. A long shot, yeah, but possible.

I would have more faith in the concept of a "Class 2" of SPARTAN-IIs were it not for a passage in Nylund's Ghosts of Onyx on pages 62 and 63 (see THIS thread for my thoughts on that passage). I take this passage and the lack of further reference to a second class in other Halo novels as evidence (but not proof) of there not being a second class. Nicole-458 is not canon, and as for Yasmine Zaman and those of her Class from I Love Bees, I don't really know if that is canon. If the ILB ARG snippets are canon, then I guess that's proof of a second class.

And it doesn't seem all that possible for SPARTAN-IIIs to be present on Reach during its fall if you look at the timeline of Ghosts of Onyx, but I'm currently rereading that book to verify this.

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  • 06.22.2009 10:15 AM PDT
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There are only two logical options in my opinion. They are part pf the second batch of Spartan-IIs or they are NOT spartans and merely call names of other units specifically put in the trailer to cause speculation. It is most likely a second wave of Spartans even though the books strongly hint that Dr. Halsey delayed the second wave indefinately and that they were never "finished".

Edit: Spelling Errors.

Edit: Whoever thinks they are Spartan-IIIs are stupid. Gamma Company is the ONLY company left. We know not what hapened to them and they were deployed AFTER the fall of Reach. Plus they would have Spartan-G320/259. Both of which are part of Beta Company and the woman ( G320 ) could not be Lucy as Lucy is mute.

[Edited on 06.22.2009 10:25 AM PDT]

  • 06.22.2009 10:21 AM PDT

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I think they're from Team Beta.

  • 06.22.2009 10:22 AM PDT

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My three main ideas at this point are a pelican dropship codenamed sierra, a class or squad of S-IIIs named sierra, or a second class of SPARTAN-IIs. Really only the first one makes any sense whatsoever. I'm sure they could figure out plot reasons why the other ones are possible, but i would be quite dissapointed if that was the case. Perhaps Sierra 259 is the pilot of a pelican ? Maybe the name of the pelican itself ? No one knows, but hopefully we'll be finding out soon.

  • 06.22.2009 10:23 AM PDT

according to halopedia, they're other spartans thet were conscripted just a few years after john and the other spartans we know, so they're not known spartans yet

  • 06.22.2009 10:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: jdirodo
according to halopedia, they're other spartans thet were conscripted just a few years after john and the other spartans we know, so they're not known spartans yet
Halopedia isn't an official source. Unless something is heard from microsoft or bungie everything else is just speculation. We'll be finding out what they are soon enough.

  • 06.22.2009 10:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

There was no second class of Spartan II's.

  • 06.22.2009 10:55 AM PDT

i dont blame stosh
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  • 06.22.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: jdirodo
according to halopedia, they're other spartans thet were conscripted just a few years after john and the other spartans we know, so they're not known spartans yet


Careful with Halo wikis. From my experience, they don't seem to be very objective when it comes to purely speculative information. They tend to post only a few of the possibilities. And remember that, as with any wiki, all information is submitted by normal people. In this case, halo fans that don't have any real association with an official source (Bungie).

  • 06.22.2009 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: StP Scar
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Posted by: The BS Police
There was no second class of Spartan II's.

Unless you get some proof behind that, it's going to stay as speculation.

  • 06.22.2009 11:08 AM PDT

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I have the theory that they are S-III's. I just came up with the theory a couple days ago. To be honest, I am not going to stand behind my theory 100%, because everything is speculation right now.

But S-III's, make a little bit of sense, also, age and callsigns are a pretty weak opposition to my theory, since, by the age of 15, the forced puberty would have already had the candidates at their full grown height, and maybe their voices too.
Callsigns can be ignored.

  • 06.22.2009 11:23 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: Skinny Genes
Posted by: The BS Police
There was no second class of Spartan II's.

Unless you get some proof behind that, it's going to stay as speculation.
Read the novels, Dr. Halsey discontinued the project shortly after the first classes augmentations. her excuse was issues with suitable candidates, but it was made clear in The Fall Of Reach and First Strike that she felt guilty and refused to destroy the lives of more children in order to create super soldiers.

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: Skinny Genes
Posted by: The BS Police
There was no second class of Spartan II's.

Unless you get some proof behind that, it's going to stay as speculation.
Read the novels, Dr. Halsey discontinued the project shortly after the first classes augmentations. her excuse was issues with suitable candidates, but it was made clear in The Fall Of Reach and First Strike that she felt guilty and refused to destroy the lives of more children in order to create super soldiers.

I

^This.

If you require direct citations, I created a very detailed thread to support this very idea that I'll gladly link you to.

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: Skinny Genes
Posted by: The BS Police
There was no second class of Spartan II's.

Unless you get some proof behind that, it's going to stay as speculation.
Read the novels, Dr. Halsey discontinued the project shortly after the first classes augmentations. her excuse was issues with suitable candidates, but it was made clear in The Fall Of Reach and First Strike that she felt guilty and refused to destroy the lives of more children in order to create super soldiers.

I

^This.

If you require direct citations, I created a very detailed thread to support this very idea that I'll gladly link you to.


I think you should just for these silly people.

I think that the two Sierra's are definitely NOT Spartans. If they were it would be the most retarded thing ever.
The people who have read the books would know that having new Spartans that weren't in the original project would be crazy.
Those who have read the books and still think that they're Spartans are insane and most likely suffer from mental retardation.

  • 06.22.2009 10:37 PM PDT
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Who said they had to be new Spartans?
As many of us know there are plenty of Spartans whose numbers aren't known.
They could just have finally given a few of them a number to go by.

  • 06.22.2009 10:57 PM PDT